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[Kezen]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-is-dmc-definitive-edition-a-worthy-upgrade

Fast forward to today and with the new PS4 and Xbox One Definitive Edition, we finally have 60fps DmC gameplay on console. So is the new release worthy of an upgrade for owners of the last-gen game? Well, today we'll be comparing the new PS4 game with the existing PS3 and PC builds - and as soon as we're done, we'll post our Xbox One vs PlayStation 4 comparisons too.

Unlike, say, Tomb Raider, we're not looking at higher poly models, additional effects work or enhanced environments. Instead, what we have here is a close port of the existing PC version with some bonus extras.

Excellent article once again.

PC (DX9, 2013) vs PS4 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37e6WuQ8TsI

 

[NEO0MJ]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

We're still working on our analysis of the Xbox One version of the Definitive Edition, but just a quick look at the game on the Microsoft console reveals a decent level of anisotropic filtering in place, producing a cleaner, more detailed looking game than its PS4 counterpart.

 

[kiyomi]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

The lack of good AF on PS4 games has been quite a regular sight in these kinds of comparisons unfortunately.

 

[KKRT00]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

Its due to CPU bottleneck. Game is on UE3 and it favors single-threaded performance, which is quite low on current-gen consoles.

 

[Percy]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

"Xbox One trumps PS4."

 

[ZeroX03]

This being Digital Foundry they don't focus on gameplay and balancing additions and I would love people to check out the wonderful OT and read the improvements because there's a lot of non-graphical stuff. Beyond simply "bonus stuff" for my liking.

 

[Putty]

Dodgy Aniso Filtering yet again. I'm not one for complaining, but how so many games have and some don't is .....baffling.

 

[Kezen]

Its due to CPU bottleneck. Game is on UE3 and it favors single-threaded performance, which is quite low on current-gen consoles.

But the game does not ask for much in terms of CPU on the PC side. A Phenom x4 955 is enough for 60fps.

 

[KKRT00]

But the game does not ask for much in terms of CPU on the PC side. A Phenom x4 955 is enough for 60fps.

Sure, but they are clocked at over 3ghz, when console CPUs are clocked at 1.6 and 1,75ghz. Thats the reason why its lacking.


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Dodgy Aniso Filtering yet again. I'm not one for complaining, but how so many games have and some don't is .....baffling.

But most games have quite low AF, 4x at best. It is problem in almost every game, it is just lower an issue in some than in others.

 

[bede-x]

I don't get how this is not a constant 60fps considering how little PC hardware is required to achieve that.

 

[Kezen]

Sure, but they are clocked at over 3ghz, when console CPUs are clocked at 1.6 and 1,75ghz. Thats the reason why its lacking.


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But most games have quite low AF, 4x at best. It is problem in almost every game, it is just lower an issue in some than in others.

Is the clock is everything though ? Is a Core 2 Quad @ 2.5ghz superior in terms of single threaded performance ?

I've read on Beyond3d (I think that was sebbi) that a Haswell core @ 3.2ghz is four times faster than a Jaguar core.

 

[KKRT00]

Is the clock is everything though ?

Of course it is not, but IPC in Jaguar is not higher than in C2D and much lower than on Sandy Bridge like CPUs, so in that case clock means everything for game on UE 3.

 

[Korezo]

cheap ass cpus I hope this is a short gen.

 

[Pankratous]

Will be buying on PS4 - it's a decent price for one my favourite games of last-gen and, in my opinion of course, the best Devil May Cry by a country mile.

 

[Kezen]

Of course it is not, but IPC in Jaguar is not higher than in C2D and much lower than on Sandy Bridge like CPUs, so in that case clock means everything for game on UE 3.

I guess that explains why the Borderlands collection is "up to 60fps".

 

[SmokedMeat]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

This being Capcom, I'm not surprised at all. Seems the X1 version always winds up a little better when it comes to their games. Looking forward to reading the full breakdown, and I'll decide later tonight on which version to grab.

 

[Facegravy]

Any word if they will release for pc or update pcver?

 

[NEO0MJ]

The lack of good AF on PS4 games has been quite a regular sight in these kinds of comparisons unfortunately.

Its due to CPU bottleneck. Game is on UE3 and it favors single-threaded performance, which is quite low on current-gen consoles.

I see. I always thought people were joking about the whole CPU advantage but I guess it is real.

This being Capcom, I'm not surprised at all. Seems the X1 version always winds up a little better when it comes to their games. Looking forward to reading the full breakdown, and I'll decide later tonight on which version to grab.

They're by different developers and different engines though, right?

Any word if they will release for pc or update pcver?

I don't think so, no. I wish they would update it as I'm too lazy to do all the mods.

 

[adamsapple]

How the Xbox One edition shapes up remains to be seen - however, first impressions suggest improved image quality overall and frame-rates look to be in the same overall ballpark as the PS4 game. We're working double-time to get the comparisons and performance metrics complete and we'll post an update as soon as possible.

Huh ... Its good to see multiplatform Xbone games are catching up on both platforms now.

 

[SmokedMeat]

They're by different developers and different engines though, right?

Are they? I haven't been keeping up on the game at all. I'm just burned out on the deluge of open world games in my library, and really need a game like this.

 

[adamsapple]

Are they? I haven't been keeping up on the game at all. I'm just burned out on the deluge of open world games in my library, and really need a game like this.

Yeah, this game is developed by Ninja Theory and runs on Unreal Engine 3.

 

[impact]

Sony have to fix this AF mess on PS4. WTF is going on?

 

[Monty Mole]

Dodgy Aniso Filtering yet again. I'm not one for complaining, but how so many games have and some don't is .....baffling.

Maybe a UE3 thing?

Edit: wouldn't explain Strider though

 

[P. Fembot]

Um so is it a worthy upgrade?

I'm thinking of buying it on xb1.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

Man this gen sucks. Last gen I could target the 360 for mutiplat games. This gen I thought it was going to be the Ps4 but nope.

 

[Always-honest]

I'm kinda surprised they couldn't lock it to 60 FPS, but this I'm really surprised by

HMn.. that is surprising....

 

[Gurish]

WTF is wrong with Sony? Why they are not fixing the AF issue? This is embarrassing.

 

[NIGHT-]

I guess I'll go with the X1 version

 

[dampflokfreund]

This is.... wow.... I have no words left...

 

[AwRy108]

This being Digital Foundry they don't focus on gameplay and balancing additions and I would love people to check out the wonderful OT and read the improvements because there's a lot of non-graphical stuff. Beyond simply "bonus stuff" for my liking.

Thanks for this.

 

[Dio]

Maybe a UE3 thing?

Edit: wouldn't explain Strider though

I thought Strider was UE3 as well.

 

[MaLDo]

This is.... wow.... I have no words left...

That's not only lack of proper AF. Texture looks lower res.

 

[dark10x]

One other annoyance I noted was the appearance of screen tearing during pre-rendered videos. Not a huge deal but it does detract from the games presentation.

 

[NBtoaster]

Saw this shot in the screenshot thread, lack of texture filtering is really gross.

 

[Wereroku]

WTF is wrong with Sony? Why they are not fixing the AF issue? This is embarrassing.

It works on ps4 there is nothing to fix ask Ninja theory why they didn't use it.

 

[Maleficence]

Sounds like another lazy remaster.

 

[Monty Mole]

It works on ps4 there is nothing to fix ask Ninja theory why they didn't use it.

1080p works on Xbox One too

 

[CozMick]

Huh ... Its good to see multiplatform Xbone games are catching up on both platforms now.

Did you see bf: hardline?

 

[dampflokfreund]

It works on ps4 there is nothing to fix ask Ninja theory why they didn't use it.

Many PS4 games have a lack of AF though. So it's definately a issue of PS4

And like MaLDo said, the texture resolution is also worse.

 

[madmackem]

So ue3 seems to be the biggest offender on ps4 af. Thief strider dmc and a few others, wonder why it's this engine.

 

[adamsapple]

Did you see bf: hardline?

Yes, neither version made any changes from BF4's engine.

but those guys are too busy fixing the broken mess that was BF4 to make any engine optimizations so that doesn't count.

 

[madmackem]

Many PS4 games have a lack of AF though. So it's definately a issue of PS4

Most don't though, I'd say it's around ten percent at a guess, it seems ports and upgrades are the main offenders with ue3 being a big culprit.

 

[CozMick]

Many PS4 games have a lack of AF though. So it's definately a issue of PS4

And like MaLDo said, the texture resolution is also worse.

7 confirmed games, most using ue3.

There are more 720p games on xbox one than there are games with less AF on ps4.

its not a issue.

 

[Kezen]

Many PS4 games have a lack of AF though. So it's definately a issue of PS4

And like MaLDo said, the texture resolution is also worse.

Not lack of AF per se, just 16xAF on PS4 / Xbox One is rare.

And by the way there are recent PC releases which don't ship with native 16xAF as well, you either have to edit config files (one time operation) or enable it through the driver panel.
Both works.

 

[ArchedThunder]

God, this AF thing on PS4 needs to get sorted out.

So ue3 seems to be the biggest offender on ps4 af. Thief strider dmc and a few others, wonder why it's this engine.

If the problem really is an engine one then hopefully devs fix it or stop using UE3 soon.

 

[NEO0MJ]

That's not only lack of proper AF. Texture looks lower res.

Apparently the AA method used hurts the look of textures.

 

[Yoshi]

Many PS4 games have a lack of AF though. So it's definately a issue of PS4

And like MaLDo said, the texture resolution is also worse.

Maybe it's less of a PS4 issue and more of a dev kit / middle ware issue? Maybe PS4 just doesn't offer a convenient or well-performing standard-implementation of AF, whereas Xbone does. That would be my guess at least.

 

[Wereroku]

1080p works on Xbox One too

So? What does that have to do with this?

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

Wow ps4 version looks bad compared to pc. Such a shame. No af again. Terrible

 

[JAYSIMPLE]

7 confirmed games, most using ue3.

There are more 720p games on xbox one than there are games with less AF on ps4.

its not a issue.

Your argument is invalid. It is an issue.


Damn double post