BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
why is this getting a PC release if the old PC version looks nicer?
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DF : Is DmC Devil May Cry Definitive Edition a worthy upgrade?
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thelastword
Banned
Because they wanted to get the xbone has "better texture filtering" part out there early enough.
As for video, I see that effects are a bit more pronounced on the PS4 version over the PC, AA looks better. AF is clearly worse on PS4 but there is no worse textures as MaLDo suggested. They need to fix AF though.
Instead of publishing this for hits, why don't DF contact NT to find out the situation with AF for the full article?
robotzombie
Member
It isn't
Also, people need to start realizing that the reason for this release isn't to put out a prettier version of the same game
Different teams and engines, I don't think that would be the issue.
Backfoggen
Banned
cerny plz
Gross.
I do think the improved cutscenes deserve more credit than they're getting.
The game used plenty of real-time cutscenes already but there were a fair few pre-rendered sequences in the original version. On the PC, where everything was higher resolution and 60 fps, these sequences really stood out as they were poorly compressed, 30 fps, 720p videos upscaled to whatever resolution you were running. I've always felt that such things really take you out of the story - it's very jarring.
I'm surprised that they actually went back and remade ALL of the games cutscenes at full 1080p60. I'll have to load it up on my capture system later to see for sure, but the quality is high enough that I'm wondering if they're all real-time now. The few actual videos left in the game (the Unreal logo, the loading screens, and the credits) are all 30 fps and suffer from tearing. During the actual game, though, none of the cutscenes exhibit tearing and all are 60 fps.
This is really only the second "remastering" that I can think of where cutscenes were improved (the first being The Last of Us). I think it makes a big difference and should definitely be commended.
The AF thing has overshadowed the fact that the rest of the port is quite well done.
The game used plenty of real-time cutscenes already but there were a fair few pre-rendered sequences in the original version. On the PC, where everything was higher resolution and 60 fps, these sequences really stood out as they were poorly compressed, 30 fps, 720p videos upscaled to whatever resolution you were running. I've always felt that such things really take you out of the story - it's very jarring.
I'm surprised that they actually went back and remade ALL of the games cutscenes at full 1080p60. I'll have to load it up on my capture system later to see for sure, but the quality is high enough that I'm wondering if they're all real-time now. The few actual videos left in the game (the Unreal logo, the loading screens, and the credits) are all 30 fps and suffer from tearing. During the actual game, though, none of the cutscenes exhibit tearing and all are 60 fps.
This is really only the second "remastering" that I can think of where cutscenes were improved (the first being The Last of Us). I think it makes a big difference and should definitely be commended.
The AF thing has overshadowed the fact that the rest of the port is quite well done.
I wish that were possible. I doubt most contacts know anything about this and it seems unlikely that they'd get a hold of someone at Q-Loc to ask them what's up.
They are not
Schweinehund
Member
CPU really is screwing everything over. This gen is quickly becoming disappointing.
Zombie James
Banned
AF has nothing to do with the CPU, iirc.
He was not talking about that. He was alluding to the framerate.
Indeed UE3 games are very sensitive to single thread performance.
My i52500k can deliver a pretty solid 120fps with this game at 1080p and max settings. It drops every so often, but this is interesting. I thought this port would fare better.
Edit: I should clarify I thought it would fare better with the frame rate, it doesn't seem like a bad port overall.
Edit: I should clarify I thought it would fare better with the frame rate, it doesn't seem like a bad port overall.
You have better luck trying than us. Can you see if your contacts would ask around? DF managed to get some things fixed in games by working with devs would be nice if you could in this case as well.
DirgeExtinction
Member
I think people need to start pushing devs for answers rather than Sony. Sony's already gone on the record saying there aren't issues in regards to using AF on PS4. What have devs said about this, if anyone has even asked?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The GOW Collection Vol 2 also did this.
was more impressive there since those were PSP assets remade in 1080p
chromatic9
Member
fps it's not that terrible. There are some odd dips, but they aren't so frequent. It's quite in line with the past 60 fps games on console. At least from the video on DF. The more annoying thing it's just the AF. I can't believe to see again another title with better AF on ps3.
It's not even close to those train wrecks. The AF issue is really the only problem. The frame-rate is locked 99% of the time, I'd say. It's very smooth. Plus they re-did all of the video cutscenes at 1080p60 as well, which adds a lot to the presentation.
thelastword
Banned
Well that's the thing, working on the cutscenes would actually take much more work than implementing 16xAF. It's so trivial in the dev process that people are wondering what's going on, and rightfully so. In essence, if you could get us 60 fps cutscenes, where is our check the button AF? It's part of the SDK, it's not something programmers have to code into the game themselves.
Why Q-Loc and not Ninja Theory? If Q-Loc had a hand in this, then they have been baking too many pies and squandering on taste/quality.Dark10x said:
I do think the port is solid, this is no saints row, sleeping dogs or re-revelations 2, but AF uplifts the look of a game so much and it's so trivial to implement, plus it's running flawlessly on lesser hardware. You just want whatever issues is preventing it's implementation to be dealt with, so it could no longer sprout it's ugly head.
There is no concensus, the PS4 version is only lacking AF, the xbone version have not been compared to it. If the PS4 version is dropping frames, then we can predict that the xbone version will drop even more frames. If it performs the same or better with it's implementation of AF, this means something is not quite right with the PS4 api or the dev process (lack of optimization, sloppy work). The more powerful hardware should always perform better.
thelastword
Banned
That's not on the hardware though, it's on the devs. Does inferior hardware having a frame advantage of 30 fps in certain scenes makes logical sense to you? Yeahh...
Hockeymac18
Member
Not sure if it warrants a new thread since it's related to this article, but Gamingbolt did a comparison between PS4 and Xbox One: gamingbolt.com/dmc-definitive-edition-visual-analysis-ps4-vs-xbox-one-head-to-head
Sounds like both versions are pretty identical in frame rate (slight edge to XB1, perhaps due to CPU?), and overall are pretty similar.
Sounds like both versions are pretty identical in frame rate (slight edge to XB1, perhaps due to CPU?), and overall are pretty similar.
This is honestly the most worthwhile remaster I've played. The gameplay tweaks make a world of difference and the performance is excellent. AF is the only disappointing thing but it plays so much better than the original release that's quickly forgotten.
thelastword
Banned
The cpu does not give you an edge with AF.
The game is 1080p on both consoles yet it runs slightly better on xbone with a better implementation of a GPU feature? Something is up. I didn't see their framerate test though?
Well, DF said there was absolutely no improvement from the PC version and I noticed that wasn't true looking at DF's own video. I highlighted it when I initially posted in this thread but It seems gamingbolt agrees with me and pretty much confirms it. In DF's videos all the effects in the PS4 version had more volume ( especially background effects), light sources radiated brighter and shadows slightly more solid over the PC, the only area I noticed a deficiency was better AF on PC, as it stands, better on the xbone as well.
So this is the second game from Capcom that has better performance on the weaker console just weeks from each other, strange times.
The hilarious thing about this situation is that Capcom gave out PS4 review copies for this game. It makes it seem like Capcom didn't even know this issue existed and had assumed the PS4 version would be better or at least on par with the Xbox One version. Guess QLOC neglected to mention this to them.
Dictator93
Member
Could you point out what you mean by this with screens?
Face-Off: DmC Devil May Cry Definitive Edition.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...er&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...er&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialoomph
That really makes no sense.
Unless by "hardcore" they mean hardcore image quality enthusiasts or something like that? Because hardcore players will definitely find the best version of the game in the new release, with Hardcore Mode, Turbo Mode, lock-on and a 23 page long gameplay balance changelog that makes this edition the best possible way to play DmC.
I have locked 60 at 3200x1800 on PC, but it's still an inferior game to the one I'm playing on PS4 now.
Unless by "hardcore" they mean hardcore image quality enthusiasts or something like that? Because hardcore players will definitely find the best version of the game in the new release, with Hardcore Mode, Turbo Mode, lock-on and a 23 page long gameplay balance changelog that makes this edition the best possible way to play DmC.
I have locked 60 at 3200x1800 on PC, but it's still an inferior game to the one I'm playing on PS4 now.
That's probably what they mean, though they could have worded it better. The article is almost strictly about graphical fidelity after all.
I'm with you on that. The PC version looks best but the changes to this new release combined with solid performance make for a better version in terms of gameplay. Plus, if you cares about the story bits, they're also much better than in the PC version. I picked up the ps4 version myself as the improvements are excellent and it's nice to have it all on a disc for my collection.
MaximusPayne
Member
lol...so you are dismissing all the decent remasters and new games that have come out since 2013...OK
That was my first impression, but when they talk about input consistency because of locked 60fps, it's impossible not to imagine they're talking about hardcore DMC players.
Yeah, I thought you were exaggerating when you were saying how good the new cutscenes felt, and you weren't. I almost felt like watching them again.
Just almost, skipped that shit anyway.
The loading times are kinda bad in this new version though, I don't remember it taking so long to load on PC.
solokazama
Banned
Well U can play DMC4 "remasterr" on PC, I tested it on old HD4850 and it runs 1920x1080p@60fps@ultra settings with AA and stuff and looks great
Dictator93
Member
The conclusion that the PC offers less sharp IQ is odd. I mean... you can play PC games at any resolution you want... as well as being able to turn off the ingame FXAA and add any PPAA you wish.
Is there a reason why DF doesnt include the modular nature of PC gaming specs and resolutions in some articles... but in others it does? Perhaps a standardisation of methodology would be good!
@Dictator93: As far as I know, they limit themselves to compare how the game would run on a similarly priced PC when giving their veredict, only going in-depth about ultra settings on PC and stuff like that during the article.
It's a great way of comparing things, but they should definitely make that a bit more clear (if they're still using that method).
They definitely have no bias against PC though, their article on 30fps PC gaming was great, and I keep using it as reference for many discussions and even just helping people figure out the best rig for their budget.
You'll be able to play as Vergil in the Special Edition.
It seems like we're getting a PC release for the DMC4:SE, and that would definitely be my pick, but if we don't, then the consoles version will be the best version, just like for DmC.
It's a great way of comparing things, but they should definitely make that a bit more clear (if they're still using that method).
They definitely have no bias against PC though, their article on 30fps PC gaming was great, and I keep using it as reference for many discussions and even just helping people figure out the best rig for their budget.
You'll be able to play as Vergil in the Special Edition.
It seems like we're getting a PC release for the DMC4:SE, and that would definitely be my pick, but if we don't, then the consoles version will be the best version, just like for DmC.
Horsemama1956
Member
That only happens if the GPU is the limiting factor though. If it's the CPU, the Xbox would have the advantage(which we've seen). The PS4 has a more powerful GPU obviously, but it's not like the GPU is all that good.
solokazama
Banned
And why I could not get balance changes as patch? or even small dlc
Because reasons, I don't know, ask Capcom. Doesn't change the fact that the new version is the best, in terms of gameplay.
chromatic9
Member
moved
thelastword
Banned
The difference is not huge to me, but it's definitely noticeable, just look at the DF footage again. PC vs PS4 and concentrate on the the misty effects in the background and reflections, they're a bit better. Check out the shadows, these are slighty less apparent, but they were more solid, a bit sharper and less flickery. It may be too subtle to show you in screens, it's better if you just watch the footage.
In any case, these guys would not use so many paragraphs if there was no difference.
Gaming Bolt said:
It's hard to point things out in this game in screens because the screens are so busy and colorful, the better textures they're talking about is true as well. I saw a little more definition in one of the bosses and slightly better detail in a falling chain near a statue etc...I don't think it's huge. As it stands, this game does not have the highest texture detail anyway, so maybe it's harder to see. It might be easier to spot in the xbone version due to it's AF and less aggressive AA.
I don't agree with GamingBolt that this is a great port though, Qloc messed up on this and Xenoverse, both of these titles should be 60fps locked at 1080p with all effects and AF intact.
It's not the CPU, it has never been the cpu. This game is not cpu limited, that has never been proven. This game will task the gpu long before it will ever task the CPU, there's no complicated Ai or physics going on here. In anycase, the xbox holds a slightly higher framerate because it tears to keep framerate up, not because of a cpu advantage, Ps4 holds vysnc much more. If the PS4 tore like the xbone version the framerate would be the same or higher on PS4. Average framerate is 55fps on ps4, 57fps on Xbone because of that.Horesemama1956 said: