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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Digital Foundry: Forza Motorsport Hands-On: Xbox Series X/Series S First Impressions
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
wasn't this already a thing a couple weeks ago? What's different about this new vid?
Portugeezer
Member
Last video was more of an interview with the devs.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That was the developer interview, this is their coverage of the preview code.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
TL-DR
- Video based on preview builds that people were give access to a few weeks back
- Dynamic lighting and 3D foliage compared to baked lighting and 2D billboard foliage in Forza 7
- Dynamic ToD causes more natural results but can look more 'washed out'.
- Track side detail is notably enhanced over previous games, but some weird inconsistencies seen like lower quality grass at the side of the road
- Some bugs also seen during preview where crowd can turn into triangles and tree LoD are messed up
- Headlights can cast shadows in night races (saw this concern come up in other threads)
- Motion blur quality and shutter speed is also enhanced over previous games
- Series X has 3 modes. Performance, Performance RT and Visuals
- Performance: 60 w/o RT, DRS but resolves at or near native 4K in all testing. Uses TAA instead of MSAA like older games
- Can cause typical TAA issues like ghosting and fences don't play nice. But produces a more temporally stable image in motion.
- Performance RT: RT Reflection and RTAO. 60 FPS w/ DRS.
- Dynamic reflections include self reflection and other car reflections
- DRS scales to 4K but typically hangs at 1440p in game play and can drop to 1080p in cut-scenes. Reconstructed to 4K.
- Locked to 60 FPS without any issues.
- Visuals: Native 4K at 30 FPS w/ additional RT. RTAO, RT reflections which also reflect non-car elements (track side things)
- Near-scenery reflected with RT, far scenery reflected via cube-maps. RT can appear 'too bright' and doesn't reflect rough material
- The quality of RT isn't as high during gameplay as the reveal trailer, but the same quality is seen in the real-time cinematic before the race.
- Series S:
- Performance and Visuals mode. Neither offer RT during game play (only in Garage)
- Performance: 1080p, Visuals: 1440p both using DRS
- TAA can make the lower resolution(s) look blurrier than previous games.
- DF did not get a lot of footage from Series S version before preview period ended.
- Video based on preview builds that people were give access to a few weeks back
- Dynamic lighting and 3D foliage compared to baked lighting and 2D billboard foliage in Forza 7
- Dynamic ToD causes more natural results but can look more 'washed out'.
- Track side detail is notably enhanced over previous games, but some weird inconsistencies seen like lower quality grass at the side of the road
- Some bugs also seen during preview where crowd can turn into triangles and tree LoD are messed up
- Headlights can cast shadows in night races (saw this concern come up in other threads)
- Motion blur quality and shutter speed is also enhanced over previous games
- Series X has 3 modes. Performance, Performance RT and Visuals
- Performance: 60 w/o RT, DRS but resolves at or near native 4K in all testing. Uses TAA instead of MSAA like older games
- Can cause typical TAA issues like ghosting and fences don't play nice. But produces a more temporally stable image in motion.
- Performance RT: RT Reflection and RTAO. 60 FPS w/ DRS.
- Dynamic reflections include self reflection and other car reflections
- DRS scales to 4K but typically hangs at 1440p in game play and can drop to 1080p in cut-scenes. Reconstructed to 4K.
- Locked to 60 FPS without any issues.
- Visuals: Native 4K at 30 FPS w/ additional RT. RTAO, RT reflections which also reflect non-car elements (track side things)
- Near-scenery reflected with RT, far scenery reflected via cube-maps. RT can appear 'too bright' and doesn't reflect rough material
- The quality of RT isn't as high during gameplay as the reveal trailer, but the same quality is seen in the real-time cinematic before the race.
- Series S:
- Performance and Visuals mode. Neither offer RT during game play (only in Garage)
- Performance: 1080p, Visuals: 1440p both using DRS
- TAA can make the lower resolution(s) look blurrier than previous games.
- DF did not get a lot of footage from Series S version before preview period ended.
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DenchDeckard
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My god it looks so much better than forza 7
DanielG165
Member
Reflections and RTAO during actual gameplay is really impressive.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah, for the duration I thought the Perf mode would only have reflections, but getting RTAO in there is pretty good.
Performance RT is probably going to be most people's preferred way of playing this game, if I were to take a guess.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Can't wait to play this on PC and see what it looks like
Side note I am not a fan of all that haze on some maps, looks like we are racing next to a wildfire or something
Side note I am not a fan of all that haze on some maps, looks like we are racing next to a wildfire or something
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Adam adam we're waiting for your snippets!
Is it BESPOKE and TRANSFORMATIVE?
Transoformatively bespoke.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This is going to look amazing on PC. Hats off to them with that RT implementation, that is incredible.
Forza!!The difference between Mapple Valey footage F7 vs FM is generational. Even more so if you add that in FM you have dynamic TOD and variable weather and you are implementing RT in both reflections and RTAO.
On the other hand, the use of TAA gives me mixed feelings. It will be a matter of seeing the final result but the ultra-sharpness of the Forza (also Horizon) was always a sign of identity.
PS. I hope that those errors or bugs in the replays (which at first seem improved) have been solved..... They are LOL.
On the other hand, the use of TAA gives me mixed feelings. It will be a matter of seeing the final result but the ultra-sharpness of the Forza (also Horizon) was always a sign of identity.
PS. I hope that those errors or bugs in the replays (which at first seem improved) have been solved..... They are LOL.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
PC with RTGI is going to look insane.
Tripolygon
Banned
Massive improvement vs FM7 in terms of lighting quality and shader quality, track/ environmental details. In my opinion it still does not touch GT7 in the lighting, car shader, model detail. On PC with everything turned up to the max is where it will really shine.
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twilo99
Member
Expecting ray tracing from a this ancient AMD platform is a loosing battle.. it’s actually amazing that we get as much as we do to be honest.
twilo99
Member
fucking love quick resume
It’s the right kind of magic. We really need ms to bring that to Windows as an option if you have the required hardware.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Hopefully it is on PC.
Windom Earle
Member
Overall this seems a bit disappointing. This is all they could do with the additional horsepower? Wanted to grab his on PC because good racing games are rare these days and will probably still do.
But with all that dev time this is the best they could do? Not sure what happened to management at Turn10. They used to be so consistent.
But with all that dev time this is the best they could do? Not sure what happened to management at Turn10. They used to be so consistent.
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twilo99
Member
a 4090 should be able to squeeze everything out..
Elysium44
Banned
To say it's six years later and next gen only it looks nothing special, GT7 on my PS4 looks better than this. Maybe the preview build is worse looking than the final one, I hope so.
Everything looks soft and washed out, and various bugs, glitched wheels, barriers not touching the ground. They are leaving it till the last minute to fix this stuff are they?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mr Moose
Member
The wheels should be easily fixed, but damn... They could've updated their textures.To say it's six years later and next gen only it looks nothing special, GT7 on my PS4 looks better than this. Maybe the preview build is worse looking than the final one, I hope so.
Everything looks soft and washed out, and various bugs, glitched wheels, barriers not touching the ground. They are leaving it till the last minute to fix this stuff are they?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Maybe it's a bit greyer looking, but you also ignored the improved shadows and lighting on the people, & the superior looking foliage. And of course, it's preview footage. The game looks a hell of a lot more natural & realistic than FM7.To say it's six years later and next gen only it looks nothing special, GT7 on my PS4 looks better than this. Maybe the preview build is worse looking than the final one, I hope so.
Everything looks soft and washed out, and various bugs, glitched wheels, barriers not touching the ground. They are leaving it till the last minute to fix this stuff are they?
Color ain't everything, if you want the massive colorful game Horizon is right there.
transformer
Member
Looks amazing. Given the preview footage we've already seen, I'm not surprised that digital foundry is speaking very highly of it and calling it a remarkable feat of engineering to deliver this level of graphics on a console. But I'm sure it won't take long for some fanboys to find a low LOD or graphic glitch and harp on the game ignoring all of the actual statements from Digital Foundry.
DenchDeckard
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To say it's six years later and next gen only it looks nothing special, GT7 on my PS4 looks better than this. Maybe the preview build is worse looking than the final one, I hope so.
Everything looks soft and washed out, and various bugs, glitched wheels, barriers not touching the ground. They are leaving it till the last minute to fix this stuff are they?
GT7 is awesome but that's polyphony so hats off to them.
This comparer to turn 10s last game is leagues ahead. And the ontrack rautracing is amazing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, a game is not finished in a preview build. You got 'em.
Horseganador
Member
There are still many things to polish between now and the launch, the replays with that audience, those trees and those planes need to improve a lot, having worse textures in the grass on the edge of the track than Forza 7 does not make sense, those pixelated tires neither, that TAA leaving a trail in the image, etc... the 1080p-1440p resolution in the RT performance mode is reasonable, but I expected a native 4K for the mode without RT but neither, the lower graphics compared to last year's demo is very evident but the full PC version remains to be seen.
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Yeah i agree, when it comes to car models, lighting,shaders etc, PD are steps ahead of the competition
replays not gameplay, hopefully GT can get in race ray tracing at some point
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Came to say this.To say it's six years later and next gen only it looks nothing special, GT7 on my PS4 looks better than this. Maybe the preview build is worse looking than the final one, I hope so.
Everything looks soft and washed out, and various bugs, glitched wheels, barriers not touching the ground. They are leaving it till the last minute to fix this stuff are they?
At least the performance is good and for a racing game...
Performance>visuals
Bunta_Fujiwara
Member
Yeah hopefully the will add a 1440p mode with rt like on Forza,if not in GT7 let's hope on GT8
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
No RT in a first party series s version is not a good look. Especially when the latest leaks show the vast majority of xbox owners are s owners. Not going to put this one on the devs seeing as how the XSX version drops to 1440p with ray tracing.
Im pleased to see RT at 1440p 60 fps on consoles. Much better choice to lower res than remove ray tracing from gameplay altogether a la GT7. Of course compromises had to be made, but as long as the PC version retains the higher quality reflections and GI, im ok with 1440p 60 fps in a racing game with realtime GI.
Im pleased to see RT at 1440p 60 fps on consoles. Much better choice to lower res than remove ray tracing from gameplay altogether a la GT7. Of course compromises had to be made, but as long as the PC version retains the higher quality reflections and GI, im ok with 1440p 60 fps in a racing game with realtime GI.
Where is that shown?
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Excuse John's german tongue.
