higherARC05
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Tonight I'll be posting the terrains high frequency mapping. The ground, cliffs, etc all look so detailed.
Going to look so good to show off.
Going to look so good to show off.
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Digital Foundry -- Halo 4 Tech Analysis
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I believe you are destined to be disappointed.
Yeah, they're named 343 Industries. I don't think they'll be branching out any time soon.
higherARC05
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O forgot that the alpha transparencies are rendering at super high resolutions. The fire from the pipe in Adrift is the most fluid looking fire I've seen. No pixelation what so ever. Pics incoming tonight to show it off. Only if I can make a gif of it. Freaking rediculous.
Palette Swap
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Pretty much. The point of the DF article is that they're all in the same upper tier, achieving a particular vision through technical excellence given aging hardware.
The more top tier games for us, the better.
higherARC05
Banned
Exactly. That is all the is needed to be said.
We now have HALO 4 to add to the few, the proud, the elite of graphical games.
Next year is going to be amazing to see where next gen takes us from here.
What 343 pushed from the 360 is amazing. It will be even more amazing to see them handle next-gen tech and see what else they can come up with without 360 limitations.
I never claimed it's technically impressive. But that doesn't change good IQ being essential to my enjoyment of a game's graphics. I'd much rather have simpler assets and lighting or less post-processing if I could in turn get better IQ.
XtremeXpider
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Speaking of 343 Industries name, anyone else think it's a bit of a weird choice? I know there's Guilty Spark, but the whole thing is built around Bungie's big '7' in-joke. It's a Bungie thing, not a Halo thing.
Yes I'm bitching about company names
Well, it is about Halo, not only Bungie.
Corrine Yu (and 343 people) + DX11 hardware = ?
No they aren't. At least not from the videos and screens I've seen. The shields might be but the plasma shots aren't. That was present in Reach. They had to drop that and SSAO.
Halo 4 is a fantastic looking game but you don't need to make things up to make it sound better than it is. There were sacrifices that had to be made.
higherARC05
Banned
Plasma bullets are dynamic light sources. You would see if you played the first mission immediately.
The deffered lighting has not been droped. Where are you getting this from?
If you play the game you can clearly see the plasma bullets light up the surroundings. Just drive a ghost and shoot. You see the blue plasma bullets travel over the ground and light up the surroundins.
This game has so much more dynamic lights then in Reach which I thought was impossible.
Jackal shields are dynamic light sources as well as every plasma bullet.
But the inclusion of lights on weapons allow them to illuminate anything around them. So I was up on a wall and saw the red lights on the Promethean weapons light up the surroundings including Chief himself. AMAZING
And the Promethean Kinghts emit light unto anything it surrounds itself with. Watch as Master Chief gets illuminated by the blades of the Promethean weapon.
Soo good.
http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Halo+4...ne+else+looking+forward+to_6b55e5_4126655.gif
O I see you don't have the game and haven't played it.
So before you go around diclaiming anyones analyzations, make sure you have actually researched and played/tested the game.
mmmkay?
I don't undertand Halo 4's use of dynamic lights. There does not seem to be any from plasma bolts. I thought that was a technical limitation, but playing the game it seems to be pretty generous with dynamic lights otherwise.
Just checked; Several of the forerunner weapons emit lift upon impact, and the suppressor bolts also emit light during travel.
The effect is subtle though.
Just checked; Several of the forerunner weapons emit lift upon impact, and the suppressor bolts also emit light during travel.
The effect is subtle though.
XtremeXpider
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higherARC05
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LOL There are dynamic light sources from plasma bullets.
Do you have the game?
Just grab a plasma pistol and crouch. Then shoot horizontally along the floor or wall.
Watch the plasma bullet light up the surfaces.
I'm messing around in Mission 1 just to see dynamic lights on weapons, and I don't see the Covenant weapons lighting up the ground when fired.
Edit: Ok, I saw some lol. They had to be really close to the ground to light it up it seemed. Would be easier to see if Theater was around. Was almost hard to tell with the glow around the rounds as they travel.
Edit: Ok, I saw some lol. They had to be really close to the ground to light it up it seemed. Would be easier to see if Theater was around. Was almost hard to tell with the glow around the rounds as they travel.
Just did in forge on adrift. The effect is there, but holy hell is it hard to spot.
higherARC05
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Yeah, Halo 4 not supporting 3D is by far my biggest disappointment with the game. As you said, Halo Anniversary has it--I figured Halo 4 would then have it too. At the very least to match Sony's heavy push for 3D.
Well plasma bullets are small.
Try the overcharge plasma shot. Way bigger.
Oh, sure! But I was specifically looking for the light effect with the smaller projectiles - I already take it for granted that larger things including explosions and overcharged bolts emit light.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Yes, Halo 4 has dynamic light sources from plasma bullets, but Anniversary did it better imo. Looked more impressive.
Why? Detail maps are nothing special and in many cases are used to cover up low res textures. Reach used them as well.
Yeah they reduced the radius of the lighting has been reduced, which is probably why some think deferred lighting was dropped. I know I thought the same after watching one of the earlier videos.
plagiarize
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Forza Horizon is incredibly far ahead of anything on consoles in terms of IQ, that I've played anyway (God of War 3 being a big one that I haven't, which gets IQ praise, but i'm sure that's a pure MLAA solution). that doesn't mean every other game looks bad though.
4xAA + FXAA is a combination I've enjoyed on a number of PC games. it's awesome to see it on a native console game. Halo 4 is about as clean as any other FXAA game. personally I wouldn't call that lackluster, but I understand who I'm talking to
Oh boy, how did I miss this thread.
For start, I'm baffled as to how people are saying some of the weirdest things in this thread, one of them being that KZ2/3's AI is nothing compared to Halo's. I'll be honest, I don't own a 360 and I haven't played Halo 4, however, judging by the videos I really don't see why it's getting so much praise. I'm probably missing something so I'd like to be pointed in the right direction, if there is any.
Second, the textures. Don't know if it's the pictures, but from what I can see, they are mostly flat. KZ3, if I remember correctly (should fire it up again to be more sure) has a whole lot of bump mapped ones, and they are also fairly high resolution. Texture wise, they don't compare, in my opinion. Draw distance wise, it looks like Halo is the better one here since the objects in the distance are pretty clear while KZ3 has a rather pronounced distance fogging.
Lighting and shadows are a totally different matter and I would have to write a few more paragraphs to express my opinion, but I think that KZ2 blows everything out of the water in this segment.
Overall, I prefer how KZ2/3 look like, but nonetheless, Halo 4 is indeed a beautiful game, just like Gears, Uncharted and God of War. No need to fight about stuff like this.
For start, I'm baffled as to how people are saying some of the weirdest things in this thread, one of them being that KZ2/3's AI is nothing compared to Halo's. I'll be honest, I don't own a 360 and I haven't played Halo 4, however, judging by the videos I really don't see why it's getting so much praise. I'm probably missing something so I'd like to be pointed in the right direction, if there is any.
Second, the textures. Don't know if it's the pictures, but from what I can see, they are mostly flat. KZ3, if I remember correctly (should fire it up again to be more sure) has a whole lot of bump mapped ones, and they are also fairly high resolution. Texture wise, they don't compare, in my opinion. Draw distance wise, it looks like Halo is the better one here since the objects in the distance are pretty clear while KZ3 has a rather pronounced distance fogging.
Lighting and shadows are a totally different matter and I would have to write a few more paragraphs to express my opinion, but I think that KZ2 blows everything out of the water in this segment.
Overall, I prefer how KZ2/3 look like, but nonetheless, Halo 4 is indeed a beautiful game, just like Gears, Uncharted and God of War. No need to fight about stuff like this.
Well it was all in Crysis 2 and we all know how that worked out for consoles.
XtremeXpider
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Oh boy, how did I miss this thread.
For start, I'm baffled as to how people are saying some of the weirdest things in this thread, one of them being that KZ2/3's AI is nothing compared to Halo's. I'll be honest, I don't own a 360 and I haven't played Halo 4, however, judging by the videos I really don't see why it's getting so much praise. I'm probably missing something so I'd like to be pointed in the right direction, if there is any.
Second, the textures. Don't know if it's the pictures, but from what I can see, they are mostly flat. KZ3, if I remember correctly (should fire it up again to be more sure) has a whole lot of bump mapped ones, and they are also fairly high resolution. Texture wise, they don't compare, in my opinion. Draw distance wise, it looks like Halo is the better one here since the objects in the distance are pretty clear while KZ3 has a rather pronounced distance fogging.
Lighting and shadows are a totally different matter and I would have to write a few more paragraphs to express my opinion, but I think that KZ2 blows everything out of the water in this segment.
Overall, I prefer how KZ2/3 look like, but nonetheless, Halo 4 is indeed a beautiful game, just like Gears, Uncharted and God of War. No need to fight about stuff like this.
You can't judge a game only looking pics.
He's also watched videos! lol
I already said the only thing holding LOS back is framerate and IQ. But on a technical level graphically, it IS comparable.
Hm?Oh boy, how did I miss this thread.
For start, I'm baffled as to how people are saying some of the weirdest things in this thread, one of them being that KZ2/3's AI is nothing compared to Halo's. I'll be honest, I don't own a 360 and I haven't played Halo 4, however, judging by the videos I really don't see why it's getting so much praise. I'm probably missing something so I'd like to be pointed in the right direction, if there is any.
Second, the textures. Don't know if it's the pictures, but from what I can see, they are mostly flat. KZ3, if I remember correctly (should fire it up again to be more sure) has a whole lot of bump mapped ones, and they are also fairly high resolution. Texture wise, they don't compare, in my opinion. Draw distance wise, it looks like Halo is the better one here since the objects in the distance are pretty clear while KZ3 has a rather pronounced distance fogging.
Lighting and shadows are a totally different matter and I would have to write a few more paragraphs to express my opinion, but I think that KZ2 blows everything out of the water in this segment.
Overall, I prefer how KZ2/3 look like, but nonetheless, Halo 4 is indeed a beautiful game, just like Gears, Uncharted and God of War. No need to fight about stuff like this.
Helghast?
Oh boy, how did I miss this thread.
For start, I'm baffled as to how people are saying some of the weirdest things in this thread, one of them being that KZ2/3's AI is nothing compared to Halo's. I'll be honest, I don't own a 360 and I haven't played Halo 4, however, judging by the videos I really don't see why it's getting so much praise. I'm probably missing something so I'd like to be pointed in the right direction, if there is any.
Second, the textures. Don't know if it's the pictures, but from what I can see, they are mostly flat. KZ3, if I remember correctly (should fire it up again to be more sure) has a whole lot of bump mapped ones, and they are also fairly high resolution. Texture wise, they don't compare, in my opinion. Draw distance wise, it looks like Halo is the better one here since the objects in the distance are pretty clear while KZ3 has a rather pronounced distance fogging.
Lighting and shadows are a totally different matter and I would have to write a few more paragraphs to express my opinion, but I think that KZ2 blows everything out of the water in this segment.
Overall, I prefer how KZ2/3 look like, but nonetheless, Halo 4 is indeed a beautiful game, just like Gears, Uncharted and God of War. No need to fight about stuff like this.
Lighting and shadows? Wasn't KZ2 using alot of baked shadows like Gears 3? Crysis 2 on console would be a better measuring stick for shadows.
What kind of phone are you using? Are you sure your display is adjusted properly? Those images are ultra jaggy almost as if you have the sharpness on your TV cranked.
Using an iPhone 5, I got this (which still isn't great but at least it's clean)
vs this...
XtremeXpider
Member
Wow! He has played the game and know why the AI is not good!! xD
EDIT: It is not only the camera, it is the TV too:
Bornstellar
Member
The radius on plasma bolt lighting seems to have been reduced significantly when compared to Reach.
No, it's not. When image quality and framerate suffer so dramatically to the point that it hurts play-ability, that is not success. That means they attempted to display more than the engine could handle smoothly.
You also ignored the loading, which is a huge deal.
gaming_noob
Member
There's some strange light leaks in Halo 4...especially inthe darker areas.. When you spin your camera around really quick you'll catch bright light from walls, floors, etc for a split second.
I'm also noticing bodies disappearing in front of me. The game is really maxing the 360 out.
I'm also noticing bodies disappearing in front of me. The game is really maxing the 360 out.
Well the team is certainly not as talented as Santa Monica Studios.
But if the team can get their shit together for the sequel, it would be no surprise if it's a stunner.
I certainly hope so. The game was a crushing disappointment for me and its severe technical failings are one of the main reasons why.
Luckily LOS2 should run at healthy 60 fps on any gaming PC unless they mess up the port.
I'm hoping they solve their issues with segmented levels as well because, if they do not, then the PC version will also suffer from those consequences.
XtremeXpider
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How can you judge the AI with a video? You need to play the game.
What kind of phone are you using? Are you sure your display is adjusted properly? Those images are ultra jaggy almost as if you have the sharpness on your TV cranked.
Using an iPhone 5, I got this (which still isn't great but at least it's clean)
vs this...
TV or monitor?
papersleeves
Member
I'm going to grab many screenshots of the awesome textures found in Halo 4 later this evening. This game is so beautiful. Sublime art designs really make all the difference.
Still, somehow console "warriors" have to down play, as usual. You know the discussion has turned into stupidity Olympics when all the arguments are concentrated around minor technicalities (see nit-picking). So the 360 gets a top tier game that rivals the best of PS3. So what?
This whole comfy zone you guys need to clear up around your beloved consoles baffle me. Why is it so hard to simply enjoy a visually stunning game? Hell, Halo 4 isn't only beautiful. The campaign is so much fun. Just enjoy the game and be happy such a good game was made for you to play.
Still, somehow console "warriors" have to down play, as usual. You know the discussion has turned into stupidity Olympics when all the arguments are concentrated around minor technicalities (see nit-picking). So the 360 gets a top tier game that rivals the best of PS3. So what?
This whole comfy zone you guys need to clear up around your beloved consoles baffle me. Why is it so hard to simply enjoy a visually stunning game? Hell, Halo 4 isn't only beautiful. The campaign is so much fun. Just enjoy the game and be happy such a good game was made for you to play.
Uno Venova
Banned
How much of the campaign is being posted here.
XtremeXpider
Member
No more than 343 has shown before.