Mine isn't but I bought the newer version last year. It gets really hot on the top though.
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Digital Foundry: Neo GPU are point-for-point a match for RX 480
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Mine isn't but I bought the newer version last year. It gets really hot on the top though.
GhostTrick
Banned
It is basically a new system at this point. Twice more GPU power. They shouldve followed this for the CPU.
Opus Angelorum
Member
They can, but they will probably make the chassis smaller so that makes it harder.
Yes.
I know some of them aren't, but the three or four I've played on get super loud after a while.
SmartWaffles
Member
RX480 reference is clocked at 1266MHz, rumored PS4K is 911MHz, sounds about right when translated to Tflops.
When your TDP is 150W you can get away with some crazy form factors.
KurtSloane
Banned
All AMD chips run hot, especially against competitors.
Heat will be a concern for anyone using there hardware in their systems.
You have to account for the overclocked CPU, too, right?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Polaris has been designed around thermal performance, specifically gaming laptops.
Unless they change the CPUs too, you have there a bit of a bottleneck that might make it not worth to have higher clocks on the GPU.
They're not changing the CPU or the RAM. It's...rather silly.
It could also come out late, be more expensive and with larger case.
Opus Angelorum
Member
They want to keep the price down, an upgraded GPU is the best option for a 'transitional' release.
Aceofspades
Banned
Awesome ... So when MS try to play the "most powerful" game , they can upclock the chips for higher performance.
Sony is easily in a comfortable place this gen, this won't change even if Scorpio is more powerful. MS needs to release scorpio with a significant power gap to neo (100% or higher) to make any meaningful differences especially if they are going to release later.
The thing is both machines will be tied to the base models, so I doubt devs are gonna utilize this extra power to the fullest.
Sony is easily in a comfortable place this gen, this won't change even if Scorpio is more powerful. MS needs to release scorpio with a significant power gap to neo (100% or higher) to make any meaningful differences especially if they are going to release later.
The thing is both machines will be tied to the base models, so I doubt devs are gonna utilize this extra power to the fullest.
Is this in any way confirmed for Scorpio?
Opus Angelorum
Member
That's not going to happen.
Having an extra 1.5 TFLOPS (or more if Microsoft go with the Vega chip) is going to be a noticable difference.
Then balance it out. The logic behind its' supposed design seems rather lopsided and is probably going to lead to more problems.
While it's likely that Neo is locked down already I do wonder, does this give Sony some wiggle room that they can add in better cooling and allow the clock speeds to be upped? Is that kind of last minute design change even remotely possible?
I think Sony are in a decent position. They have the mindshare and could have a whole year headstart against what Microsoft's doing, but if they can make Neo more competitive with what's to come for a little extra cost at this point in time then surely that will really help them further down the road?
Hey Worldwide, we have a more powerful xbox compared to PS4, please buy our machine instead.
Shtof
Member
At this rate, with Sony releasing Neo later this year, and Scorpio being rumored for Fall 2017 MS will already be late as Sony will simply release a PS8k 2018/19.
And I expect Sony to stress that this is not a new platform or new generation. They will simply talk of this as an upgrade to their existing ecosystem.
Not in sales.
Opus Angelorum
Member
It's really not that lopsided or bottle-necked as some would suggest.
The Scorpio will likely suit your needs if you want a more balanced system (at a higher cost).
Lister
Banned
I'm sure that's coming.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I understand keeping the costs down, but it a bit annoying knowing they could produce something much stronger that would be sufficient longer for an extra $75 to $100.
I suggest you contact some Sony engineers and point out the mistakes they are making.
See, now you're speculating.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This whole saga with both the Neo and Scorpio seems like a bunch of controlled leaks.
protomouse
Member
Who said anything about sales? This is a DF thread.
nelsonroyale
Member
Doesn't this guarantee that Scorpio will be more expensive (or operate at a loss), have more power draw, etc? Is that really a good thing? Well, actually I think it is good for options and I suppose they are on the back food and hence the need to differentiate. It will likely be a couple of years until the PS5 releases after the introduction of the Neo.
But, where is the limit?
geordiemp
Member
Was that the original osirisblack post on GAF or have you heard more ?
That original post did mention Sony were considering a more powerful CPU option - please do it Sony, we need 60 FPS.
4 - 5 TF GPU is enough for 1080, we need more CPU + bandwidth for balance.
SmartWaffles
Member
That is not how thermal dynamics work. I do agree that Scorpio how powerful or not won't significantly change the landscape this gen.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I am.
If the Scorpio is using a custom RX 480 (with higher clocks) or the Vega chip, it will be more expensive than the PS4K. Especially if the PS4K has been on the market for 12 months already.
I have a nagging suspicion Microsoft is not going to use the 480 in their machine. A 480 with a >1.2 ghz clock will be in a humongous box, generate PC levels of heat +, and will shorten lifespans of the machine considerably. Instead I see Micorosft going for a GPU with 8-10 more CUs than the PS4 Neo and keeping the clock rates at more conservative values. No one wants a mass product failure.
But to be 100% honest, if it's true that Sony and Microsoft are using the same part, it would be in Sony's best interest to increase the box size by a 25% and raise the clocks by a similar amount and take it on the chin. It will effectively make the gap small enough that it won't matter any more about "power differences".
But to be 100% honest, if it's true that Sony and Microsoft are using the same part, it would be in Sony's best interest to increase the box size by a 25% and raise the clocks by a similar amount and take it on the chin. It will effectively make the gap small enough that it won't matter any more about "power differences".
Shtof
Member
There are really only two companies making high powered gaming targeted GPUs. If you follow these companies it's not difficult to see what is possible and what is not. No leaks really needed.
geordiemp
Member
Well, Xb1 case is big enough
Opus Angelorum
Member
The Xbox One has excellent cooling, and the extra power draw wouldn't be hugely significant.
Your really stretching your conclusions if you think the power draw wouldn't be hugely significant. As a PC gamer, with a 280X that just died, there is a reason consoles dont go for high power draws and clocks. On the PC side, we are notorious for failing GPUs, and the rule of the land is - the greater the heat, the shorter the life span, the mgreater the risk for failure rates.
It's still supposed to run the same games. higher resolution / faster frame rate / more effects (which is all we would expect to see) don't necessarily require a better cpu.
Yeah, it was the Osirisblack thread.
jabberwocker
Banned
Did you just make this up? Nothing has been officially announced.
nelsonroyale
Member
Interesting, what are the likely TDP differences between say the current Xbone and what Scorpio might be? Say at 5.5tf?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
The speculated price range is $399 to $499 so they can use the superior CPU for the range I listed.