The Artisan
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Do you want crossplay on PS4? Make your voices be heard.
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The Real Napsta
Member
Doing something once sure is a drag.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
You don't have to create new accounts for cross-play, generally speaking.
You have to create a new Microsoft account, or just as likely, use the one you've already got to log into Minecraft to enjoy benefits like cross-play dedicated servers. It's not a new system, but a system that's already in place, and to be fairer to you, I'll concede that while potential 'abuse of this system' is something to think about, I don't see that worry as being entirely founded in this context, where the most you might have to do is make a new Hotmail to play.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yet you sign into PSN everyday.. the fuck?
We're certainly the passionate few. Hopefully for the right reasons.
vpance
Member
How is it anti consumer when you're free to move to another platform at will? It's a damn business, not everything you want is in the company's best interests. If you think it will fuck over Sony that badly then you really should jump ship to another platform and stop supporting them immediately. I know I would if I was so sure something is about to completely fail.
Stop focusing on gaming for a second and think about other industries and products that compete against one another and realize how absurd it is to request this kind of cooperation, especially given the current disparity in install base numbers. This isn't NAFTA, they are corporations competing for your money.
The additional petition of course is a joke. It was in line with the hyperbole going on around here lately (like "Xbox x is DOA/Crap", "Every Sony fp game sucks", "Microsoft has no fp->leaves the industry" and such). However my account concerns are real
See my idea on how possibly my concerns could be alleviated here:
I was reading on Engadget and they said the update was not coming out now for the PS platforms (alluding to a future date) - I wonder if they were mistaken.
Also - that bedrock update can be made to exclude cross play can't it? Is MSFT gonna leave that PAID DLC money (super duper grafix pack) off the PS player base table? I don't think so - that update is gonna come to PS eventually.
I don't care about crossplay with rival console publishers.
I will support PS1 on PS4 initiative like the PS2 one however.
All i want is for Jim ryan to admit that his excuse is laughable and give everyone the real reason why they don't want to support MS and Nintendo crossplay(they don't want their online advantage to be compromised)
If JIm had not played politician, i don't think it would be as incredulous
I will support PS1 on PS4 initiative like the PS2 one however.
All i want is for Jim ryan to admit that his excuse is laughable and give everyone the real reason why they don't want to support MS and Nintendo crossplay(they don't want their online advantage to be compromised)
If JIm had not played politician, i don't think it would be as incredulous
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
Do your research Artisan, here is a search words for you "major nelson". Furthermore do people forget about NSA, kinnect and Germany?
Now to your first reply, i am sorry that someone treat you like this. People are stupid animals, what can i say more.
Since the begining of this gen i felt a huge amount of arrogance from MS even post Matrick. I can not stand Spencer's face and the way he tries to spin things. It's just my hunch telling me that I can't trust his mouth.
Many times I've wanted to add xbox to my gaming habits, but Spencer imo is doing a great job turning me the other way around. Just my thoughts.
Edit.
Come to think of late i feel that after Bish left Gaf has changed for the worst. Almost every thread i enter is filled with poison and self etitled people. Wonder if Shinobi was right and he put his last words quite nicely.
I get your point, but the DRM thing was much bigger than a community of people. People took to twitter and constantly tweeting Sony execs about this. Hell it go it's own hashtag.
It evolved and became much bigger than GAF or any internet forum. It reached "mainstream" appeal. People going to Gamestop or Best Buy asking about it.
So far we've only had like a couple journalists ask about it and the complaining has been isolated to message boards. Mostly from people either "defending" the decision or using it as another point in the fanboy console wars.
Unfortunately. I don't think people truly care enough about it right now.
Again. I thank the OP for making this thread. If anyone does care they have every method available to make their voices heard.
silver.tongue
Member
I dont care for it. Not sure why ppl care so much about it.
People are just finding reasons to justify it now. It's dumb 2 high profile games are using cross play but sony feels like nah.
If even Nintendo accepts it you know how easy the terms must have been of the deal no excuses at all.
Huge Succeeded
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Now, that's a pipe-dream.
The reason Minecraft requires a Microsoft account is because it's Microsoft's means (Microsoft being the owner and manager of Minecraft) by which to enable things like cross-play dedicated servers, cross-platform invites, and platform-agnostic DLC purchases.
A separate service would suffice, but Microsoft already has a service in place that can provide this functionality, and the only hang-up with that is that some of you take pause with the very concept of logging into an MS account inside of a game you're playing on your Sony. We wouldn't be having this convo if Microsoft just set up 'Minecraft accounts', but again, why do that when you've got a service and infrastructure in place that will serve your needs already.
I'll tell you what, though. I call it a pipe-dream but what you suggested really would be the best way to enable cross-play. I just don't think it's possible. There's reasons Minecraft is using a Microsoft account over a new, bespoke solution, and no, MAU shenanigans aren't it. (Well, not the only it, lol.)
Poimandres
Member
I'm doing well! Mostly just been sitting back watching the chaos unfold around e3 time.
Good to see you flying the flag of logic and reason in a number of these threads. Definitely something that GAF needs in times like these.
The Artisan
Member
enabling this would allow me to play Minecraft with my friend on Xbone; I first discovered Minecraft playing it with him way back in 2012/3 on 360. Being able to do that would be awesome imo. Would that be so wrong...?
it's anti consumer because it goes against the wishes of the consumers, shutting PsN out from the rest of the online communities while the rest are being unified not only that but in the case of Minecraft it is costing playstation users the most complete version of the game
it's not absurd when the competition ARE collaborating. the "big three" has always referred to sony, mS and nintendo. two out of the three are now working together, making games online better, which is pro-consumer.
quickwhips
Member
Imagine loading up a game from the beginning of the generation with a small user base. You are more likely to find a game if you can search all platforms. Right now with popular games it doesn't matter but it will keep communities alive for longer.
Will it? Or will people make a thread about here. Complain and then move along after a couple of days?
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Yes, Nintendo, Apple and Google think it's absurd as well... Or are they just dumb?
vpance
Member
Ummm because Sony does? And they aren't in the business of helping MS gain MAU? It's not that hard to understand folks.
They are not in the same position as Sony is now.
Huge Succeeded
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Your suggestion that XBL's entire playerbase is tainted and not fit for interaction with PSN players like you is about as toxic as anything else I've seen in this thread. You're pretty amiable about it, tho, so I can't fault you there. I still consider that just silly. There's no massive behavioral gulf between PSN users and XBL users, or if there is, one personal anecdote certainly does not constitute evidence toward that end.
Burning Justice
the superior princess
For those asking "why would anyone want this", there are two main reasons:
1. So people can play with friends who are on different platforms. I have different friends who own different systems, and it would be nice if I don't have to double-dip on a game to play with all of them, and can play with all of them at the same time.
2. Increasing the player pool will extend the online life of games. This will benefit smaller games especially.
For me, the first point in particular is a pretty big deal. I own PS4, Xbox One and Switch, and if Sony continues this stance it will definitely make buying multiplat games on PS4 less attractive for me.
1. So people can play with friends who are on different platforms. I have different friends who own different systems, and it would be nice if I don't have to double-dip on a game to play with all of them, and can play with all of them at the same time.
2. Increasing the player pool will extend the online life of games. This will benefit smaller games especially.
For me, the first point in particular is a pretty big deal. I own PS4, Xbox One and Switch, and if Sony continues this stance it will definitely make buying multiplat games on PS4 less attractive for me.
The Artisan
Member
You have a point here as well but others have said in one of these threads that maybe right now this won't take off but if this trend continues then more people may chime in; when the Minecraft dlc rolls around maybe then Minecraft's playstation community will be more upset by it.
For sure. I have been fighting this fight in 6 threads now lol; while of course not everyone will agree I always want to make sure to keep a mutual respect with everyone (we are all adults here)
Huge Succeeded
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He said 'consumer' not 'stakeholder'
Not even a little bit wrong. I more meant that we're vindicated in short order than having good motives
Maybe I do just think too much of myself on this matter, but I really can't understand the apathy towards an industry shift like that. People who lose their mind about framerates and pixel pushing yet sleep at the prospect of multiplayer becoming a standard rather than a limit... goodness me it's exciting times.
The Artisan
Member
ummm man I am paying sony for these products not the other way around, I do not give a fuck about mS's MAU. we are ALL on the consumer end of the market here so there is zero reason to care more about sony's perspective unless you're a stakeholder or something
Huge Succeeded
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3. Cross-play is going to change Minecraft in a massive way and it'd be nice to open up the doors for games that would benefit similarly, although many, many games will only benefit from a larger matchmaking pool and the sometimes limited ability to play with friends across platforms (RL, for example, lets you cross-platform party up for exhibition matches, but not matchmaking)
The Artisan
Member
perhaps you misunderstood sir; if I understood your post correctly (which I think I did), then the purpose of my post was to simply further prove your point =]Not even a little bit wrong. I more meant that we're vindicated in short order than having good motives
Maybe I do just think too much of myself on this matter, but I really can't understand the apathy towards an industry shift like that. People who lose their mind about framerates and pixel pushing yet sleep at the prospect of multiplayer becoming a standard rather than a limit... goodness me it's exciting times.
I'm just so excited!
And you can spread dank memes and hope they catch on.
Os memes mais danques!!!!
Ok I need to know the context of this image lol
It seems to be a vocal minority that cares about this. I don't see it gaining a bunch of traction.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
So they haven't thought about the future right?
For now.
"Mommy, why can't I play on the big public Minecraft servers with Timmy and Johnny?"
"Because Sony said no"
There's a tidal wave coming. Get your wellies ready!
Marty Chinn
Member
I believe it is something that benefits the consumer but your reasoning is flawed here. If your going to hang on it being anti consumer because it goes against the wishes of the consumer then this thread is proving you wrong. More than twice as many people don't care or are not on favor of it compared to the number of people who do. So if you want to go by the will of the consumer, they don't want it.
SilverLunar
Member
There's already a healthy online population on the PS4, add me to the "who cares" group.
I have more of a problem with my Ps1 classics purchases being stuck on Ps3.
I have more of a problem with my Ps1 classics purchases being stuck on Ps3.
The Artisan
Member
I was thinking about this while I was writing my post; most people in the thread who said that they don't care, didn't specifically say they don't want it. They just said they don't care and left it at that so theyre neutral; most people in the thread that have an opinion that takes a side have said yes they do want it
Huge Succeeded
Banned
What you perceive as a vocal minority will become bigger than you've seen up to now as the Minecraft 'Better Together' updates near release. 'Better Together' will do more for Minecraft's huge (and formerly fragmented) online communities than any previous update to the game, and cross-play is at the crux of that. When players are enabled by the Better Together update to play with friends regardless of platform, on massive MMO-like servers where they can build a presence together, you can be certain they'll begin to talk more about why they can't do that with other games, especially in an era where more developers seem open to it and capable of bringing it.
I'm sure those of you reading these threads have noticed that I fixate on Minecraft specifically a lot; that's because I concede that cross-play for a game like Rocket League (in its current form) isn't the most compelling thing in the world, because it just enlarges the matchmaking pool. However, there's a number of games where just that would make a difference, and a number of games that can take their cross-play implementations further than Rocket League if persued.
Part of the point of the update is to get rid of as many different versions as possible to make support simpler and more cost effective. To give Sony a special version just defeats the point. This is on Sony period. Sony could refund every Minecraft and dlc purchase that be fair solution.
Marty Chinn
Member
I said don't care or don't want it though. They can't be bothered in the end. It's not the will of the consumer at this point. It's a vocal minority for now.
Huge Succeeded
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Super Duper Grafix Pack is free and included w/the Bedrock update on all applicable platforms.
The Bedrock update is meant to unify Minecraft's development and bring all versions to feature parity. Cross-play enables unfragmented massive MMO-like servers with persistent worlds which can house thousands of players. Backed by online communities: server-specific websites, discussion forums, and the like.
Without cross-play, the PS4 version can't benefit from the most major elements of the Bedrock upgrade, from our perspective and from the developers.
You have to sign into Xbox Live for cross play. From a business stand point, you can possibly tell why Sony wouldn't want that.
Do you think MS would be as open if it required you to sign into PSN?
vpance
Member
If something you want basically isn't possible because of simple business reasons then why would you keep crying for it?
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
lol reading the old threads are funny, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1249578&highlight=rocket+league+ps4+xbox+one+cross+play
There is nothing at all to suggest this is insurmountable. So we'll keep trying.