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Dota 2 Beta Thread: [Brewmaster]
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TyrantGuardian
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I'd love to participate in the reddit tournament, give me a holler!
CreativeSK
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same here.
throwawayname
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Why I always have the dumbest players in my team?
Played another game with Lich, which went very good. Didn't die until the end of the game. I was killed by Riki - I don't know yet how to use the dust properly, luckily the Riki player wasn't very good. I bought some, but when I used it, he wasn't around. If I hit him, he'll stay visible?
Then I tried Venomancer again, but I just don't get him. For me his attacks lack some impact. Its fun to see your enemies constantly loosing health, but I keep dying. He is so low on health and I'm harassed all the time + I have to get near to use the ulti.
Then I tried Venomancer again, but I just don't get him. For me his attacks lack some impact. Its fun to see your enemies constantly loosing health, but I keep dying. He is so low on health and I'm harassed all the time + I have to get near to use the ulti.
I know this is not LoL, but... in Dota 2 or Dota, do we have a hero/skill/item that scales with mana? I haven't seen anything, just curious.
You haven't had me on your team yet!
*goes back to accidentally stun creeps instead of heroes*
Obsidian Destroyer is the only one I can think of
Sounds like the AI simulates human play just fine.
am also but he does damage in terms of the enemies' missing mana
Procarbine
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Veno is a hero that relies on knowing exactly how strong you are early in the game. With early Gale/Passive he can trade autos with just about anyone up to level 5 and come out ahead. His ability to dominate melee heroes early on is one of his big strengths, and you need to maximize it. Against ranged heroes you need to land a longer distance gale in lane before auto attacking them,that way you can back out if things get hairy. I skip toxin ward early in favor of gale/passive.
Yeah, his HP pool is lacking early on, so you have to watch out for double stuns, and you have to get tanky items. Treads, Magic Wand, Basilius, and Vanguard early, get a cloak if they have magic, and then go from there. I've been picking up Ags, but I don't know how efficient that is. In order to keep your mana up you need to be able to switch your treads to int when you cast, and then back to strength to survive. Switch quickly to agi later on in the fight, use the magic wand, and then back to int or strength and you've got mana to cast again.
Will concede/surrender be an option when the game is live?
I understand the point of the beta is primarily to test, and therefore long games are beneficial, but when the game is 30-5 25 minutes in, I'd rather get in another game before work than struggling for another 10-15 minutes since it seems like games last a long time even if it's "over".
I understand the point of the beta is primarily to test, and therefore long games are beneficial, but when the game is 30-5 25 minutes in, I'd rather get in another game before work than struggling for another 10-15 minutes since it seems like games last a long time even if it's "over".
There is a long post in the dev forums about this. All valve has said officially is:
I don't know, but I hope there is some kind of concede, even if it's there with serious restrictions. Otherwise in obvious slaughters people will just sit up in the fountain.
Bleh.. That's pretty disappointing.
People sitting in fountains because they're getting smashed with 99.9 % chance of losing is also prematurely ending, it's just not made official and it wastes time for everyone involved.
Just makes it so that the vote requires 5/5 votes on all time (not decreasing like HoN) if anything, why force people to play it out if they don't want to...
Just makes it so that the vote requires 5/5 votes on all time (not decreasing like HoN) if anything, why force people to play it out if they don't want to...
No 4 out of 5 means majority rules. Ef 5 out of 5 votes. In HoN most of the time you just have this one troll just voting no for the hell of it. Why should 4 other people suffer because of 1 troll?
Togglesworlh
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Also it counts as an abandonment if you sit AFK for too long. So you have to dick around even though you're not having fun anymore, unless you want to eventually be thrown in the leaver pool.
I mean, sometimes I still have fun, even when I'm getting steamrolled. But other times I get steamrolled twice as hard. Those times... are not fun. They are miserable.
I've already had a situation in HoN where me (and 3 other teammates) thought the game was lost (we had just gotten annihilated to a Forsaken Archer) but the last person (Thorinbei!) refused to concede, saying we still had a chance.
We actually won the game. I think that's the sort of stuff Valve might be trying to prevent right now. A 5/5 concede system would not be optimal considering the possible trolls, but I'd rather take that that no concede system at all.
I really don't see the controversy over a concede. Who are we protecting with keeping it out of the game? There are those games that turn around, but they are so far and few in between. Also they're usually due to the other team just completely becoming idiotic/overconfident/bad end game heros, so any serious opponent isn't going to let you comeback from such a horrible beginning. You could fit in two more wins in a time a drawn out loss could be.
It still counts as a loss, so if people are willing to have the ding against their record so let them.
It still counts as a loss, so if people are willing to have the ding against their record so let them.
Togglesworlh
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Why do you care if people give up at 15-20minutes? It's their choice, 4 out of 5 = majority rules, even if its the wrong decision and games theoretically turn around. 90% of the time they don't and its wasting everyones time.
Seriously? Well first of all they do, which really doesn't help the situation too much other than their share of gold/items. Even then it's an uphill battle.
I don't see how any who's played a ton of dota could argue against a concede. I've been in too many matches that the enemy team would not end the game, yet due to the stigma of leaving games had to stick around and just watch them circle jerk for an hour.
For every one of those, there are 9 others.
It should just be 4/5, 20 minutes in. 3/5 at 30 minutes in. I wouldn't even mind 4/5 at 15 minutes.
They shouldn't be pandering to the 1 out of the 5 that wants to stick around.
I'd rather sit in the fountain than get abandonment leaver status.
Or purposely trolling, blatant feeding (running straight into enemy's base sorta crap).
Even in dota 1 when that'd happen people would just agree to all quit. Can't do that with a ranking system...
People who AFK would be marked as such and would get an abandon, and the vote would be 4/4 to reflect this.
Just report them and they get thrown into the leaver pool/banned.
There really is no concede option planned??
Are they serious?
The last 5 of my games were lost after the first 25mins, with the remaining 15mins being farmed by the other team, with usually one of our team mates still putting up a fight like we had a chance against a free farmed void/antimage/hard carry, thus leading to the other team delaying the game further.
When they implement K/D/A into the game(if they do?), fountain farming will be further amplified. It's the RTS equivalent of needing your entire base to be destroyed in order to count as a loss. I really hope they reconsider.
Are they serious?
The last 5 of my games were lost after the first 25mins, with the remaining 15mins being farmed by the other team, with usually one of our team mates still putting up a fight like we had a chance against a free farmed void/antimage/hard carry, thus leading to the other team delaying the game further.
When they implement K/D/A into the game(if they do?), fountain farming will be further amplified. It's the RTS equivalent of needing your entire base to be destroyed in order to count as a loss. I really hope they reconsider.
I think saying you can sometimes come back from what appears to be a horrible loss is a terrible argument to make.
It doesn't matter if you can still win the game. If your team decides to call it quits they should have that option. At the very least it should be all 5 vote after 30 min.
It doesn't matter if you can still win the game. If your team decides to call it quits they should have that option. At the very least it should be all 5 vote after 30 min.
TyrantGuardian
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Majority rules trumps your desires and wants.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I don't see the problem with adding a concede. It's either add a concede option or sit in fountain and alt tab back in every now and then to prevent AFK/leaver status.
I know which one sounds better. HoN has some good ideas regarding the concede. 5/5 at 15 minutes, 4/5 at 30. Not sure what comes after that.
I know which one sounds better. HoN has some good ideas regarding the concede. 5/5 at 15 minutes, 4/5 at 30. Not sure what comes after that.
I can live with this. Satisfies both sides. Wanting that 5/5 concede option.
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