I got one BSOD when I OC'd my card after having changed my desktop resolution to 2560x1440. Never after leaving a game, though.
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Downsampling for AMD cards is now possible
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I got one BSOD when I OC'd my card after having changed my desktop resolution to 2560x1440. Never after leaving a game, though.
Sorry for the slight derail, but a quick question. This thread got me interested in trying downsampling on my 560ti so I followed a tutorial and created a custom resolution of 2560x1440 which I can select for my desktop but not in games (even though my other custom resolutions show up). Is the in-game resolution not supposed to be changed or did I screw something up?
Uncheck GPU Scaling? Cuz that's exactly what happens if not.
ooh nice.
Why not, it works with FXAA - it's a very simple way of downsampling so it should work with anything you set.
Sure. You can combine it with any kind of AA. It's just rendering the image at a higher resolution.
Metalmurphy
Member
Yeah, but just remember you're going to be applying AA to the native resolution and not the downsampled one, so the performance hit will be much bigger.
It can be a way to make some older games look a bit nicer with no performance loss, or games like the Witcher 2 have their dithering reduced. Didn't eliminate it for me, though it became harder to notice, I'm sure if you stacked it with ubersampling it'd be gone, but that'd require a godly PC (or just a high end one from maybe 2 or 3 years into the future).
EDIT: For anyone wondering: No, you can never be rid of dithering, even downsampled and ubersampled.
I thought so. Cool.
I'm eager to try Alan Wake with 8xMSAA since the downsampling should AA the trees without the blur of FXAA.
The higher the resolution you can downsample from, the better the results. 2560x1440 is less than a 50% increase in resolution from 1080p, so it's not a huge difference, but the performance hit's manageable, too.
It's unchecked. Still doesn't seem to work for me. I also tried rebooting.
Downsampled from 3840x2160. Surprisingly my framerate stays above 20. My AMD 5850 only has 1 GB of VRAM though so that might be a limit at this resolution. I am going to experiment some more, got some games that have either broken AA (Prince of Persia) or that don't support AA at all on AMD cards (Bioshock/2 in DX10 mode).
Downsampled from 3840x2160
1080P shot
Downsampled from 3840x2160
1080P shot
ChoklitReign
Member
What the fuck is iLivid and why is it telling me to download it after the wait for the app?
Hmm, at first I thought "Well, that's interesting, but I can't think of any games where it would be helpful."
Then I remembered Divinity 2. I have never been able to get any kind of AA to work in the game, and my god does it need it. I might have to install it and this program just to see what kind of effect it might have.
Edit:
The resolution 2560x1440 now shows up in windows, but when I try to select it I get a popup from windows saying "Windows could not change your display to this resolution. Try a different resolution." This is on a 1920x1200 panel if that matters.
Then I remembered Divinity 2. I have never been able to get any kind of AA to work in the game, and my god does it need it. I might have to install it and this program just to see what kind of effect it might have.
Edit:
The resolution 2560x1440 now shows up in windows, but when I try to select it I get a popup from windows saying "Windows could not change your display to this resolution. Try a different resolution." This is on a 1920x1200 panel if that matters.
You shouldn't be asked to download anything I don't think. I checked the link out before posting it and it just downloaded.
Click under "advanced settings" in your screen resolution box and uncheck "hide modes not supported by this monitor" or whatever it's called.
That did it, thanks! Installing Divinity 2 now, we'll see how it works out.
MickeyKnox
Member
Fucking finally!
It makes as much of a difference as any kind of AA. It's just quite performance intensive compared to pretty much any other technique (for the same results in terms of aliasing reduction).
In any case, screenshots are a bad way to judge supersampling AA methods. You have to see it in motion to appreciate the huge improvement in image stability.
Is it just me or does it seem the textures had a splash of blur added to them. I know that on nvidia I have to set lod to -1.0 to avoid that.Age of Conan.
Non-downsampled with FXAA:
Downsampled without FXAA:
Downsampled with FXAA:
Pretty obvious
Stallion Free
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Binary Domain (which only has FXAA or MLAA) @ 1440p downsampling:
Yes, it's possible. AMD users can actually set LOD to -1.0 as well in DX9 games using RadeonPro. It may be worth trying.
Diablohead
Member
unless you downsample from about double res that will happen which sucks, the FXAA also adds to the blur itself.
Metalmurphy
Member
I just realized the reason why GPU scaling doesn't appear on my CCC is because I'm using a VGA connection. Is this also why this program isn't working?
Well it definitely works! I can set the resolution to 1440p on my 1080p HDTV in Divinity 2. I have the GPU power to spare in this game so I didn't take much of a hit in fps and I can definitely see the improvement. This game has tons of little shrubs all over the place that are full of jaggies and this is the first method of AA that I've ever gotten to help with them.
There's plenty left though, so I'm probably going to see just how high I can go. I noticed no changes in the UI although my FRAPS counter kept getting smaller.
Obviously this has fairly limited uses: games where no other AA works and can spare the GPU hit upping the resolution inherently brings with it. But when you have a game that fits those criteria you're desperate.
There's plenty left though, so I'm probably going to see just how high I can go. I noticed no changes in the UI although my FRAPS counter kept getting smaller.
Obviously this has fairly limited uses: games where no other AA works and can spare the GPU hit upping the resolution inherently brings with it. But when you have a game that fits those criteria you're desperate.
Most likely, yeah. These are the kinds of things I'll have to add to the OP as I learn about them. :
Edit: I think it's because this basically uses an EDID hack to fool your pc into thinking your display supports higher resolutions than it really does.
Actually, the game has a "nice" bug with alt-tabbing and texture load... so I have no idea. With downsampling the image is much sharper and clearer, that's for sure.
ChoklitReign
Member
I can't find an Erstellen file in the JAR file. I open it with 7zip and see two folders - META-INF and test; neither has it.
Metalmurphy
Member
The jar file is a Java executable. You need java on your pc to run it. Erstellen is a button after you run the app.
Grinchy
Banned
Downsampled from 3840x2160. Surprisingly my framerate stays above 20. My AMD 5850 only has 1 GB of VRAM though so that might be a limit at this resolution. I am going to experiment some more, got some games that have either broken AA (Prince of Persia) or that don't support AA at all on AMD cards (Bioshock/2 in DX10 mode).
Downsampled from 3840x2160
1080P shot
That was definitely the most noticeable difference for me so far.
Metalmurphy
Member
I think I've been doing this wrong
If my understanding of the google translation for this
"Will man als 16:10 Nutzer bspw. von 1920x1200 auf 3840x2160 sind folgende Schritte notwendig: Zuerst auf 1920x1080 umschalten und davon ausgehend 2560x1440 hinzufügen. Auf 2560x1440 umschalten und 3840x2160 hinzufügen. Auf 3840x2160 wechseln."
Is correct, I need to add "2560x1440", switch to it, and only after that do I add the new 16:10 resolution. Gonna try that now and see if it works.
*edit* Nope, didn't work either.
*edit2* It worked!!
If my understanding of the google translation for this
"Will man als 16:10 Nutzer bspw. von 1920x1200 auf 3840x2160 sind folgende Schritte notwendig: Zuerst auf 1920x1080 umschalten und davon ausgehend 2560x1440 hinzufügen. Auf 2560x1440 umschalten und 3840x2160 hinzufügen. Auf 3840x2160 wechseln."
Is correct, I need to add "2560x1440", switch to it, and only after that do I add the new 16:10 resolution. Gonna try that now and see if it works.
*edit* Nope, didn't work either.
*edit2* It worked!!
Metalmurphy
Member
Did you have to do anything special for this?
This is what's happening to me:
If I take a screenshot it's actually a full 2880x1800 screenshot,
but it's being displayed zoomed unless I change the desktop resolution. Basically the downsampling isn't happening.
I missed playing at such high resolutions, so pretty!
Text seems kinda messed up for some reason though.
Metalmurphy
Member
Soo goood.
Difference might not be very noticeble in screenshots but seen it in motion it is, everything is much sharper.
On that german forum the guy that made this tool posted a monitor driver to fix some problems, try that and see if it works.
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9280479&postcount=5071
Difference might not be very noticeble in screenshots but seen it in motion it is, everything is much sharper.
Not working here. New resolution shows up but switching to it doesn't work
On that german forum the guy that made this tool posted a monitor driver to fix some problems, try that and see if it works.
http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=9280479&postcount=5071
Not working here. New resolution shows up but switching to it doesn't work
If you're getting this:
Uncheck this box:
I use a sony HDTV as my display. I added the resolutions but when I change to them my screen goes black and says unsupported signal detected
Gpu scaling is off... any ideas?
Are you using HDMI?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Sorry but I can't get this to work. I'm running on a 1360x768 monitor. Tried the OP res and a 16x10 2560x1600 res. What am I doing wrong?
Unchecked the box in advanced and when I go to the higher res, my screen goes green like it's not compatible with that res.
I am.
Unchecked the box in advanced and when I go to the higher res, my screen goes green like it's not compatible with that res.
I am.
jediyoshi
Member
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think it's working but my monitor resolution is not that good so the effect makes my desktop icons look smaller but I assume in game, it will benefit. Shall go test.
Not the best results. Looks pixelated.
Not the best results. Looks pixelated.
No, it's the opposite
It does need HDMI. I'm not sure about the DVI->HDMI cable. Worth a shot, I suppose. Anything but 2560x1440 looks like shit on my TV. It's either my display, or it might be something to do with the requirement of a 2560 resolution for it to work properly. Maybe only factors of 2560 work correctly or something. I don't really know yet.
ChoklitReign
Member
Great, now I have a new problem. I think it translates to "not found". Well there the hell it is.
