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Dragon Quest X is not meeting expectations
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DragonSworne
Banned
Are we talking about the PS2?
The problem with the release on Wii is not the online infrastructure, it's the fact the system was dead when DQX came out on it.
It needed to come out 2 years before it did. God knows why it took so long to come out.
Quite simple Square, FF14 was a rushed piece of shit, and you released this one on wrong platform. Should of been PS3/PC/360. SE is fucking retarded this gen. Glad people voted with their money on 14, but I do hope they take a serious stab at MMO's again, cause this has just been a disaster.
A MMO is only really going to be successful on one platform. Even if it is on two then the two communities aren't going to ever meet. As shown by Final Fantasy XI on the PS2 and PC and even the 360. The PC version in the end became the primary and that is where the community was. Same is true of DC Universe Online. Same will be true of Final Fantasy XIV. Cross platform play isn't going to happen. People need to stop even thinking in that direction.
say bye bye to western release. Users musta dropped like a rock
now, if the WiiU version somehow manages to reignite some of that initial fire, then there'll be a blink of hope for localization. But I seriously doubt it, since game's not exactly a killer app
now, if the WiiU version somehow manages to reignite some of that initial fire, then there'll be a blink of hope for localization. But I seriously doubt it, since game's not exactly a killer app
After ff14 relaunch bombas I really dont think they will make another mmo again.
DragonSworne
Banned
The fate of Squaresoft wasn't based on this game anyways. They are dropping slowly since YEARS. Its just a consequence of accumulated negativity in their relation with the fanbase. Dragon Quest 10 is probably in their best games published lately.
Weird..so any official translation?
Seems one translation puts the "not meeting expectations" as part of what Square-Enix said, but the other put that as an assumption from the writer.
Even the crappy-Google translation puts the steady sales in quotes, but not the rest.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Yep. And the real money came from the western markets.
FF XI LTD for the PS2 sku in Japan are in the region of 160k.
Dragon Quest X is well past 600k in Japan.
Weird..so any official translation?
Seems one translation puts the "not meeting expectations" as part of what Square-Enix said, but the other put that as an assumtpion from the writer.
Even the crappy-Google translation puts the steady sales in quotes, but not the rest.
I don't know where people are getting the idea that it's an assumption of the writer. The document being referenced is available in Japanese and English. The quoted part is directly from the Japanese document, the rest is paraphrased.
Chuck Norris
Banned
The game looks like it was made without any love or passion. Like the Dragon Quest team were told to make an MMO, like it or not.
Megalosaro
Banned
I doubt it. Yuji Horii has been wanting to make a multiplayer online DQ since the 90s. And in any case, I don't think SE CAN tell him what to do with the series.
They own the IP, so they can do whatever they want with it whether he's on board or not. That said, it's unlikely that they'll ever actually do that because it would damage their relationship. As for DQ10, it's honestly a very well-made game that does feel like DQ, having played it for about a month.
Makes me really wonder how high their expectations were then. Unless they are putting vast amounts of content into the game, I dont know what they were expecting.
I feel lately like SE is scared that Single player games are a dying breed, and that they are more and more trying to establish their large franchises as massive multiplayer or online in some manner for fear of their cashcow single player games dying off.
I feel lately like SE is scared that Single player games are a dying breed, and that they are more and more trying to establish their large franchises as massive multiplayer or online in some manner for fear of their cashcow single player games dying off.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Were players done with the game after finishing the main Quest without caring for future additional expansions ?
Sound like Bioware with TOR, but it ended up being not only unfounded but very costly for them. FFXI did alright and I suspect DQX is merely underperforming rather than tanking (I'd have to see if there was a hard subscriber drop off), but FFXIV did crater and TOR did so too, maybe more spectacularly relative to its budget.
Megalosaro
Banned
The relationship is pretty strange by traditional standards. Copyright is divided between Horii's Armor Project, Toriyama's Bird Studio, Sugiyama and Square Enix.
PaulExcellent
Member
Yep. Definitely agree. Would have been a fantastic multi-platform game.
demosthenes
Member
But it does....Why don't you think cross play will happen?
I knew a lot of people that I played with that were playing PS2/360.
That's better. Though I read and read, and the only mention of Dragon Quest X is:
The rest is about Aumesent Facilities, merchandise, liabilities and assets; so I read quickly through that.
Nearly at the end, they even mention:
Which implies that they still have a focus on MMOs in general.
Seems that what didn't met expectations were sales of console games in general, not (just?) Dragon Quest X; alluded in the first quote:
Which is why I was wondering about if there was an actual english translation.
I mean, one can get from that part that Dragon Quest X is not meeting expectations, since they attributed the lower numbers to consoles games (and DQX is a console game) but it seems that no game released during the 9-months period (March 31, 2012 - December 31, 2012) met expectations either. Dragon Quest X, Deus Ex, Sleeping Dogs and Hitman, were released on consoles during that timeframe.
There's also the bit about "world-wide console game market", and DQX was the only game of of those that wasn't released worldwide (only in Japan).
But then again, you (and Niro) know better... and I'm usually suck at reading. Or maybe the japanese version has some other details that I missed. XD
walking fiend
Member
I don't know where you get that it has been not meeting expectations, it says:
"The operation of “DRAGON QUEST X,” a major MMORPG, started in August, 2012, has been showing steady progress." There's no further comment on DQX, to be paraphrased.
Is steady progress not meeting expectations? TOf course one could say if it was meeting expectations, they would mention it as a huge hit; but that's totally speculations.
Synth_floyd
Banned
期待され たほどの大ヒ ットにはつながっていない。
and
堅調に進捗している
mean
While they are bullish on its progress, it didn't become the big hit they were expecting.
But being "bullish on its progress" is vague and doesn't say if they're making a lot of money with it now or they just expect to in the future. The official translation says "steady progress" but that is still vague and doesn't give an idea as to the financial condition of the game right now.
and
堅調に進捗している
mean
While they are bullish on its progress, it didn't become the big hit they were expecting.
But being "bullish on its progress" is vague and doesn't say if they're making a lot of money with it now or they just expect to in the future. The official translation says "steady progress" but that is still vague and doesn't give an idea as to the financial condition of the game right now.
walking fiend
Member
Thanks, so it's removed from the English translation? [or I am blind!] That's interesting.
It is speculation, but it's reasonably extrapolated from the numbers quoted in the document.
They'll have a fiscal call soon and the summary document will be posted, and we'll get to hear what Wada has to say on the subject then.
walking fiend
Member
The only thing I see that can be extrapolated, is that its sales hasn't been enough to make their digital media segment profitable in total.
But apparently there's further info in the Japanese version of the report?! I don't know.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
This had disaster written all over it.
Had it been a single player game, it could be released around the world by now. If they wanted to milk more money out of it, extend it with paid DLC quests or something. Nobody in their right mind wanted DQ to go online.
Had it been a single player game, it could be released around the world by now. If they wanted to milk more money out of it, extend it with paid DLC quests or something. Nobody in their right mind wanted DQ to go online.
DQX sold phenomenally well being a MMO; the service just leaves way too much to be desired at this point. Once you beat the 'final' boss you're left to grind all your jobs as many of the passives transfer across classes (you can have a 150HP/60MP/150atk level1 character, for example), and the system lends itself to grinding the same mobs as the most efficient method. There were probably more people than SQEx expected that blindly followed strategy websites (極限攻略 to be specific -- the site's made a name for itself w/ guides on Dragon Quest games over the years) and didn't do any "adventuring" of their own.
Horii wanted to make a DQ MMO while Sugiyama was still able to make music. It's actually a fantastic game, just that there isn't the lasting power there to keep people playing beyond the first 2, 3 months.
Horii wanted to make a DQ MMO while Sugiyama was still able to make music. It's actually a fantastic game, just that there isn't the lasting power there to keep people playing beyond the first 2, 3 months.
When you have a monthly fee looming I could see why.
Though the fact there's a definite endpoint is why I'll probably actually get this and subscribe if it comes over here, still sounds like a really good DQ that just happens to be an MMO, rather than an MMO that's DQ themed (like Elder Scrolls Online seems to be its franchise, maybe.)
I wonder if maybe just making it a regular online game would've been more practical. You couldn't depend on the monthly fee, but they'd still be making that online adventure to play with your friends. Kinda like what some of us probably imagined Phantasy Star Online would've been before that ended up being more like dragging up an old name to reuse on a sci-fi Diablo-esque game.
Synth_floyd
Banned
Where did this sentence
come from in the document? I couldn't find it.　Which is probably why it doesn't appear in the English version.
come from in the document? I couldn't find it.　Which is probably why it doesn't appear in the English version.
I didn't know that. I thought the versions of Final Fantasy XI were all separate.
But that's from the MSN article/link and not the actual link aeana posted. Unless said MSN article is a follow-up interview, and not only based on the report; which could explain "that mention".
MSN post (underlined what you quoted):
The japanese PDF seems to say the same as the english one:
Badly translated into:
Which is similar to the english PDF:
And the bit in the japanese PDF about sales in general:
Also mentions console sales in general, not just DQX.
Bad translation again:
Actual translation:
Only the MSN article mentions "Dragon Quest X not meeting expectations"; but I'm wondering now if it's a follow-up.
But the original informaiton basically implies that Hitman, Deus EX and Sleeping Dogs also underperformed. Bravely Default and Terry's Wonderland too if handhelds are included in their "home console numbers".
And we all know how single player DQ titles are known for their rapid and timely localisations.
Honestly, I wouldn't have even wanted co-op missions in it. I love just taking in the DQ worlds by myself.
Yeah, at most I'd only want to do some extra dungeons on the side (like the streetpass maps) that way.
Synth_floyd
Banned
Is there actually significant multiplayer content in the game? Like guilds, PVP, trading, etc. (i.e. stuff that the MMO component is essential for) or is it just glorified co-op (i.e. stuff that the MMO is incidental for) with a monthly charge like tons of MMO games now?
MMOs are one of the three pillars in their overall corporate strategy. The other two are mobile/social gaming, and "HD" titles (they bundle handheld games in with this).
Though there is nothing to indicate DQX is in the same group as FF14 so far as its impact on the bottom line. The former failed to meet expectations but is progressing steadily, while the latter was/is a shambles.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Good thing it became a successful game!
cartman414
Member
They've been on mobile phones.
walking fiend
Member
It's not like they aren't going to release an offline DQ; but it's going to be on the 3DS, and not a home console; they just saw that a home console is the best for an MMO, while a handheld (The handheld, 3DS), is the best for their offline game, considering how much the Japanese market is dominated by the handhelds.
Great news
now they can finally start bringing their trully masterpiece and unique games like Bravely Default for a change and not try with more of the same
I dont understand why they dont try with what they did best
Trully unique, 2D, with stunning art, epic single player JRPGs
That is what worked for them, anything else they make is a joke for me, even FF12 that was not a bad game, but was an extremely dissapointing FF for my tastes (and the first game in the series that reminded me of a generic MMO and never finished)
now they can finally start bringing their trully masterpiece and unique games like Bravely Default for a change and not try with more of the same
I dont understand why they dont try with what they did best
Trully unique, 2D, with stunning art, epic single player JRPGs
That is what worked for them, anything else they make is a joke for me, even FF12 that was not a bad game, but was an extremely dissapointing FF for my tastes (and the first game in the series that reminded me of a generic MMO and never finished)
Conrad Link
Member
SE just wanted another source to get some of dat FFXI money they've enjoyed for many years.
I paid my monthly fee for nearly a decade. Must of made them sooooo much money.
Can't blame them for trying I guess.
I paid my monthly fee for nearly a decade.
Must of made them sooooo much money.Can't blame them for trying I guess.
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Deleted member 20920
Unconfirmed Member
DQX is not in the same category as XIV... XIV crashed and burned, had a phoenix down drop on it and had regen cast for a slow recover. And now they are still rebuilding it with the largest team they ever had. DQX has been said to be on the very road to being profitable and has already made back its development costs. It's not a disaster like many in this thread seem to think it to be. Impressions have also been good so far, at least not bad like FFXIV 1.0 was.
Just wondering, why did you stop playing? No time, or did you finish all the content at the time?
Eteric Rice
Member
Might just need an expansion or some new content. Is it possible that people have already burned through everything and just canceled their subs?
New content is required to make people want to continue playing.
New content is required to make people want to continue playing.
There will be an event very soon about the wiiu version. Probably an announcement of an expansion?