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Dreamcast documentary by Archipel (toco toco) Part 1
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EightBit Man
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A quality documentary about my favorite console ever?
EightBit Man
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That was incredible. Thank you so much for sharing!
Kazza
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Kazza
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Just finished it. What a well-made documentary! It had a slightly melancholy feel to it, appropriate given the subject matter I suppose.
Lots of nice info:
- the various teams at Sega (Jet Set Radio and Rez/Space Channel 5 etc) all being young and hanging out together after work
- Rieko Kodama mentioning how Skies of Arcadia was originally planned for Saturn. Interesting to see how that would have turned out
- Tetsu Okano's friendly rivalry with the "people upstairs" (i.e. the Shenmue team), telling Sega how his game (Segagaga) would be just 1% of Shenmue's budget
- Tetsuya Mizuguchi talking about pretty much living at the office during the making of Rez/Space Channel 5, working on the latter during the day, and the former at night
- Hiroaki Yotoriyama talking about how much effort they put into the Soul Calibur port (they probably wanted to keep Sega alive so that they wouldn't be faced with a Sony monopoly in the console market)
Much more that I've already forgotten. It sounds like everyone was having a really fun and creative time, and were given plenty of leeway by their bosses. Must have been a fun time to work at/with Sega
Lots of nice info:
- the various teams at Sega (Jet Set Radio and Rez/Space Channel 5 etc) all being young and hanging out together after work
- Rieko Kodama mentioning how Skies of Arcadia was originally planned for Saturn. Interesting to see how that would have turned out
- Tetsu Okano's friendly rivalry with the "people upstairs" (i.e. the Shenmue team), telling Sega how his game (Segagaga) would be just 1% of Shenmue's budget
- Tetsuya Mizuguchi talking about pretty much living at the office during the making of Rez/Space Channel 5, working on the latter during the day, and the former at night
- Hiroaki Yotoriyama talking about how much effort they put into the Soul Calibur port (they probably wanted to keep Sega alive so that they wouldn't be faced with a Sony monopoly in the console market)
Much more that I've already forgotten. It sounds like everyone was having a really fun and creative time, and were given plenty of leeway by their bosses. Must have been a fun time to work at/with Sega
BlackTron
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Oh nice. I don't have an hour to watch this right away but this is good weekend material.
Dreamcast was ahead of its time and the last console launch that made me truly excited. I still have all my games and demo disks, even the essentially useless ones like web browsers and PSO ver 1.
Just some of the best days ever in gaming.
Dreamcast was ahead of its time and the last console launch that made me truly excited. I still have all my games and demo disks, even the essentially useless ones like web browsers and PSO ver 1.
Just some of the best days ever in gaming.
ValiantTraveler
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Oh yeah baby. I freaking love this kind of gaming-related video content.
I still have my old, broken Dreamcast somewhere. I could never throw it. Growing up in that era was magical.
I still have my old, broken Dreamcast somewhere. I could never throw it. Growing up in that era was magical.
Northeastmonk
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Awesome work put into making this video. I had mine on 9-9-99. Babbages had gotten a Japanese Dreamcast prior to release. They had Sega Bass Fishing and Sonic Adventure.
I remember reserving my lot. $50 down for the console, $5 for Sonic, Marvel vs. Capcom, Soul Caibur, Blue Stinger and a VMU and the arcade controller. A couple of them came in later (of course). Sonic Adventure was delayed at Babbages, so I essentially went home with Soul Calibur. I had a subscription to ODCM, so I had a bunch of Seganet discs with Sega Swirl.
I remember MTV played a bunch of 9-9-99 commercials before it came out. Dreamcast was all I could think about until another console would come out.
I remember reserving my lot. $50 down for the console, $5 for Sonic, Marvel vs. Capcom, Soul Caibur, Blue Stinger and a VMU and the arcade controller. A couple of them came in later (of course). Sonic Adventure was delayed at Babbages, so I essentially went home with Soul Calibur. I had a subscription to ODCM, so I had a bunch of Seganet discs with Sega Swirl.
I remember MTV played a bunch of 9-9-99 commercials before it came out. Dreamcast was all I could think about until another console would come out.
EightBit Man
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Part two has been uploaded:
Grand Theft Scratchy
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Oh my god! OH MY GOD! Is that Rieko Kodama in the first four minutes?! I already love this video!
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Shin
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Whoa shocking revelation unveiled...for me.
Sega was an American company, part of the Paramount group named SErvice GAmes.
After so many years I find out about this, lived through their Mega Drive, CD's and what's not and always thought it was a Japanese company from the start.
You learn something new everyday decade...
Sega was an American company, part of the Paramount group named SErvice GAmes.
After so many years I find out about this, lived through their Mega Drive, CD's and what's not and always thought it was a Japanese company from the start.
You learn something new every
Grand Theft Scratchy
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Thank you for posting. This is the best video I've seen for the Sega Dreamcast. Listening to the developers talk about their games and the console itself is beautiful. I had no idea, for example, that Jet Set Radio was designed around rough drafts of its characters that looked like they were part of the same universe, or that the white color of the Dreamcast was the series of SEGA consoles coming full circle (though there is a black Sega Sports model).
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Fitzchiv
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This shit kind of makes you sad that 14 year olds these days don't get to experience that kind of magic and expectation. The leap from 16 to 32bit, the introduction of CD, then DVD, 3D graphics etc...a console launch was a seismic event full of wildly new stuff.
These days it's just a load of mongery about terraflops and architecture. Screw that. Dreamcast was the daddy.
These days it's just a load of mongery about terraflops and architecture. Screw that. Dreamcast was the daddy.
Grand Theft Scratchy
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The part about Segagaga is great. "I usually say this, but if I were at Namco, I would have made Namcococo or Konamimimi if I were at Konami [...] Now what I wanted to turn into a game the most was SEGA itself, I thought I had to do it."
"The president thanked me and left. Nobody thought I was being serious."
"It's funny but it got covered on TV news on World Business Satellite or on the front page of sports newspapers. I didn't aim for that in the beginning, but it just came into sync. Segagaga's promotion budget was 30,000 yen ($280), it's incredible, right? Out of those 30,000 yen, 20,000 went into making my pro wrestling mask. Just to say that we didn't have any money. However, SEGA comes and announces the end of the Dreamcast and everything just took on from there."
"The president thanked me and left. Nobody thought I was being serious."
"It's funny but it got covered on TV news on World Business Satellite or on the front page of sports newspapers. I didn't aim for that in the beginning, but it just came into sync. Segagaga's promotion budget was 30,000 yen ($280), it's incredible, right? Out of those 30,000 yen, 20,000 went into making my pro wrestling mask. Just to say that we didn't have any money. However, SEGA comes and announces the end of the Dreamcast and everything just took on from there."
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Man, I really should finish off my Dreamcast collection. It's one of those systems where, while a lot of the games were ported, the ports almost never matched the originals.
EightBit Man
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There's more trivia!
Did you know that SEGA was almost bought by SONY in the early 80s? Here's the story. Also, SEGA's roots go all the way back to 1899.
sublimit
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Yup same here. I didn't knew that.
Well that at least i knew.There's more trivia!
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Grand Theft Scratchy
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"I read a lot of opinions and hear a lot of talks about this. As someone who works for SEGA, I was told to make games that elevated the console. I was given the console, the time and the people. We made this but they didn't sell as expected. I think we could say that what we made wasn't good enough. I think we couldn't make titles that were good enough for the console. I think that's the main reason. We do say that there weren't any killer titles, we had to make the killer titles ourselves. The fact that we couldn't is probably where we failed as SEGA developers."
~Rieko Kodama, Skies of Arcadia producer
Damn.
~Rieko Kodama, Skies of Arcadia producer
Damn.
EightBit Man
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It's great to hear the Japanese side of the story here; this doesn't often happen. I'm really curious about the Mega Drive and Saturn backstories too. I don't think Tom Kalinske is a trustworthy source. Not to mention the book Console Wars, which is basically one big ego trip (of that man). He's still bitter and antagonistic against SEGA of Japan, it's laughable at best.
Grand Theft Scratchy
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I wonder what the futuristic Dreamcast illustration on the wall of Okawa's office looked like.
These are some alternate designs from a collected works book by Darren Wall:
Also, who would have thought they were planning to introduce a way to play games digitally on a 40GB HDD?
www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk
These are some alternate designs from a collected works book by Darren Wall:
Also, who would have thought they were planning to introduce a way to play games digitally on a 40GB HDD?
Setting the Pace
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
There's more trivia!
1899? Bu...but I thought it was founded in the early 50s or some shit? My life is a lie
CyberPanda
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One of the greatest systems of all time.
CyberPanda
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<3 Retro.
Kazza
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I was nice to have this pop up in my feed on Sunday morning, but crying perhaps isn't the best way to start the day
This was one of the saddest parts of the documentary. All those people who made all those great games blaming themselves for not being good enough.
I loved it when one of the guys said that they were like indie developers but with big budgets. Very true.
This was one of the saddest parts of the documentary. All those people who made all those great games blaming themselves for not being good enough.
I loved it when one of the guys said that they were like indie developers but with big budgets. Very true.
EightBit Man
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I was nice to have this pop up in my feed on Sunday morning, but crying perhaps isn't the best way to start the day
Won't lie, especially the second video was very, very difficult for me to watch.
Indeed. I thought to myself you guys did such a fantastic job, delivering some of my favorite, and unforgettable experiences ever, don't do this to yourself!
I liked when it was said that the console was successful in a way, and that it's influence lives on to this day. Nevertheless, it deserved so much better than it actually did.
Spukc
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Thanks added 5
CyberPanda
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Who else do you follow on Youtube?Thanks added 5
Kazza
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I don't know too much about Japan, but if it's anything like China, then there could be a "modesty" thing going on (and not wanting to seem to be passing the blame onto others). Hopefully they are proud of what they produced. Most people seem to agree that it was a really short but creative time in gaming.
Kazza
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To add to 8bit Man's great list (great to see Implant Games there, that guy deserves way more subs):
SNESDrunk - as the name implies it's largely focused on SNES, with occasional Megadrive and others thrown in
Kim Justice - a UK focused channel, which means lots of Spectrum, C64, Amiga etc, as well as the usual NES, Megadrice etc
Console Wars - fun SNES/Megadrive comparisons
Pixel Game Squad - I mostly subscribe to these guys for their excellent My Retro Life series, which contains lots of great VHS footage from the 80s and 90s
sublimit
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I have been close friends with my Japanese teacher for 4 years now and from what she told me this is a typical mentality in Japan.Especially for older generations.
Really?I'm very surprised to hear that. Both from my experience from some Chinese people i've met outside China as well as from what the brother of a friend of mine who has been living in China from the last 8 years (he is married with a Chinese woman and works there) Chinese,especially the newly rich ones,are very arrogant and think they have the right to do anything just because they have the money.
But anyway since i haven't lived myself in those countries i don't think i can be a good judge and i also don't want to start a Japan vs China culture war.
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nush
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Really?I'm very surprised to hear that. Both from my experience from some Chinese people i've met outside China as well as from what the brother of a friend of mine who has been living in China from the last 8 years (he is married with a Chinese woman and works there) Chinese,especially the newly rich ones,are very arrogant and think they have the right to do anything just because they have the money.
But anyway since i haven't lived myself in those countries i don't think i can be a good judge and i also don't want to start a Japan vs China culture war.
You're not wrong tho.
cireza
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I watched the documentary about the composer for Nier, and it was also a bit melancholic. I guess that this is some kind of signature. It was a fantastic documentary by the way.
This Dreamcast video was also fantastic. You realize how much creativity was deployed back then and the talent behind the games. All great and humble creators. It is so sad to realize how much talent and motivation was present to support the console, but that it still failed. But this is a summary of Sega overall, a company that outputted legendary games several times a year, still failed and was rejected by the mass. The world did not deserve Sega.
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Kazza
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I have been close friends with my Japanese teacher for 4 years now and from what she told me this is a typical mentality in Japan.Especially for older generations.
Really?I'm very surprised to hear that. Both from my experience from some Chinese people i've met outside China as well as from what the brother of a friend of mine who has been living in China from the last 8 years (he is married with a Chinese woman and works there) Chinese,especially the newly rich ones,are very arrogant and think they have the right to do anything just because they have the money.
But anyway since i haven't lived myself in those countries i don't think i can be a good judge and i also don't want to start a Japan vs China culture war.
It varies from person to person, and there certainly are rich arrogant people around (the Chinese have a derogatory term for them, 土豪, kind of "rich bumpkin"), but I'd say in general modesty is considered a virtue. I think this may be common across East Asia.
nush
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Their debt and sins of the past were too much for them at that point. They went out in a blaze of glory though.
Spukc
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Added 2 thanks
Spukc
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Starlight Lotice
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Is this a first interview on video with Goddess Phoenix Rie? 