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[Majukun]

sure, give children the responsability to keep themselves in check against gambling mechanics

holy shit on a pogo stick that's so dumb

at this point, drinking is also due to a lack of parenting, let's open stiff drinks to 12 years old,it's not the government responsability to do something about it.

 

[RedVIper]

sure, give children the responsability to keep themselves in check against gambling mechanics

holy shit on a pogo stick that's so dumb

at this point, drinking is also due to a lack of parenting, let's open stiff drinks to 12 years old,it's not the government responsability to do something about it.

Make the games 18+ then. If your issue is the children.

And actually they're saying it's the parents responsibility to keep their kids in check.

 

[jono51]

sure, give children the responsability to keep themselves in check against gambling mechanics

holy shit on a pogo stick that's so dumb

at this point, drinking is also due to a lack of parenting, let's open stiff drinks to 12 years old,it's not the government responsability to do something about it.

kids don't have money for this garbage.
its literally all degen adults who can't help themselves fueling the lootbox craze.

 

[Majukun]

Make the games 18+ then. If your issue is the children.

And actually they're saying it's the parents responsibility to keep their kids in check.

totally agree with that..if they did that i would have no problems..well except from the fact that iwould not buy games with lootboxes like i'm doing now, but that would be at least up to me and other responsible adults..not children against predatory gambling mechanics they are not prepared for.

 

[Majukun]

kids don't have money for this garbage.
its literally all degen adults who can't help themselves fueling the lootbox craze.

that's why children empty their parent's bank accounts

there are plenty of stories if you take your time reading a bit.

 

[jono51]

that's why children empty their parent's bank accounts

there are plenty of stories if you take your time reading a bit.

entirely the parents fault if they give their kid their credit card

 

[Abriael_GN]

Evidently, you have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

Such a deep, thoughtful retort. Worthy of the tinfoil hat crowd.

sure, give children the responsability to keep themselves in check against gambling mechanics

What a silly strawman.

There's no need to give children that responsibility. That responsibility belongs to their parents. Parenting is a parent's job, not the government's. It's nice to see one country that gets it. Hopefully others will follow suit.

 

[Miles708]

I think Abriael_GN could have a point, if you think the advertising industry is worth several billion dollars. Clearly, these strategies are working.

I'm sorry, i meant Fuz .

 

[s34ab]

It's not "Personal freedom" anymore when they have ARMIES of psychologists and marketers¹ studying the best way to wire our brains into spending and falling into those traps.


¹ the scum of the Earth.

They can have every single psychologist and marketer on the planet working for them. I still won't buy anything from their stores.

 

[Abriael_GN]

So funny to see some bleeding hearts here loterally going...

 

[FMXVII]

Evidently, you have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

Basically.

Like, 0 at a loss for 1.

Less than base Basic.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Basically.

Like, 0 at a loss for 1.

Less than base Basic.

At least I don't need my government to defend me from the eeeevil corporations, whose products I am entirely free not to support on my own, or to support, in case I happen to like them, like every product on the free market.

 

[FMXVII]

At least I don't need my government to defend me from the eeeevil corporations, whose products I am entirely free not to support on my own, or to support, in case I happen to like them, like every product on the free market.

It's cute how you believe that a free market actually exists alongside corporate capitalism.

 

[Abriael_GN]

It's cute how you believe that a free market actually exists alongside corporate capitalism.

Indeed it does. But if you don't like it, there's always China.

You'll get all the government intervention (IE: Censorship) you want and more there. I hear they're *very* eager to administer your freedoms. Good luck with that.

 

[FMXVII]

Indeed it does. But if you don't like it, there's always China.

You'll get all the government intervention (IE: Censorship) you want and more there. Good luck with that.

Lmao.

If I wanted Chinese oversight, I'd play Blizzard games.

Can you even tell which side of your... mouth... you're spouting out of, much less whence "your" beliefs originate?

That was a rhetorical question.

 

[Abriael_GN]

If I wanted Chinese oversight, I'd play Blizzard games.

Considering the fact that you want governments to oversee games, you may as well.

 

[Majukun]

There's no need to give children that responsibility. That responsibility belongs to their parents. Parenting is a parent's job, not the government's. It's nice to see one country that gets it. Hopefully others will follow suit.

except it's not like things work.
even considering the (quite absurd from my point of view) notion that we should not have rules and regulations, but just make parents decide for the well being of their children regardless of the maatter at hand, keeping a 24h watch on your child is pretty much impossible when you also want to provide for your family.

it's also quite absurd that now games with a 3+ or 12+ rating need parental supervision to be used by children...

 

[FMXVII]

Considering the fact that you want governments to oversee games, you may as well.

I never said that

I said I wanted governmental oversight of shady as all get out gambling addiction schemes being baked into games.

That's governmental oversight of companies trying to use video games to exploit children and other susceptible persons.

I am all for what it really is.

Do go ahead and continue conflating slavery with freedom, though.

Color me a forum rubbernecker if you will but I find it to be rather morbidly fascinating.

 

[Tesseract]

The big problem I have with this, is that there's a limit to self-responsibility. At some point we're at the mercy of outside influences and circumstances. And these neoliberal corporate fucks know and make use of that.

there's really no perceivable limit (the delusion runs deep)

 

[Abriael_GN]

except it's not like things work.
even considering the (quite absurd from my point of view) notion that we should not have rules and regulations, but just make parents decide for the well being of their children regardless of the maatter at hand, keeping a 24h watch on your child is pretty much impossible when you also want to provide for your family.

it's also quite absurd that now games with a 3+ or 12+ rating need parental supervision to be used by children...

There's something called parental controls on every single platform.

Parents that don't use them and don't educate themselves about them are simply failing at parenting and should be held fully responsible for that. Again. It's not the government's job to do the parenting, and parents have the tools they need to do their own job. If they don't, it's on them.

 

[FMXVII]

There's something called parental controls on every single platform.

Parents that don't use them and don't educate themselves about them are simply failing at parenting and should be held fully responsible for that. Again. It's not the government's job to do the parenting, and parents have the tools they need to do their own job. If they don't, it's on them.

And AGAIN, it IS the government's job to protect its citizenry from exploitative practices by industry/corporations/the CCP etc, et al.

Why dont you just tell us that it's not the government's job to keep pedophiles from nabbing up and Dahmer-ing kids, right off of school routes, while you're at it.

Social safety is a thing.

And guess what?

It is the realm of the government.

Yes, I lumped corporations that incorporate gambling microtransaction mechanics into into video games alongside other predators who specifically target children.

Shockingly and appallingly accurate, I know.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I remember once taking a KLM airlines flight and went inside the Amsterdam airport. I was roaming around the airport and spotted a store that sold electronic and DVDs. When i was browsing their selection of DVD, I saw a huge visible collection of pornography. That's when I knew this country had no ethical moral ground whatsoever, so i'm not surprised by this news.

 

[Abriael_GN]

And AGAIN, it IS the government's job to protect its citizenry from exploitative practices by industry/corporations/the CCP etc, et al.

No it is not, especially considering that literally every product aims to "exploit" its customers. It's up to the customers not to be exploited.

And everyone has the tools to, including parents. This is simply a fact.

Why dont you just tell us that it's not the government's job to keep pedophiles from nabbing up and Dahmer-ing kids, right off of school routes, while you're at it.

Yes, I lumped corporations that incorporate gambling microtransaction mechanics into into video games alongside other predators who specifically target children.

This just goes to show how you're perfectly aware that your argument is completely baseless since you feel the need to make an absolutely ludicrous out of place comparison between apples and escalators to appeal to feelings because logic is not on your side. Good capitulation.

Parents don't have tools that allow them to set a pin and toggle a few options on a device to protect their children from sexual predators. With games, they do, on every platform. This alone blows your nonsensical alarmist comparison out of the water.

In any case, I'm done here. Once someone resorts to this kind of crap mudslinging, there's no discussion to be had. This is a done deal, and you're basically just crying that a government didn't side with your restrictive views which would just cause a dangerous slippery slope of political influence over games. I've said my piece.

I remember once taking a KLM airlines flight and went inside the Amsterdam airport. I was roaming around the airport and spotted a store that sold electronic and DVDs. When i was browsing their selection of DVD, I saw a huge visible collection of pornography. That's when I knew this country had no ethical moral ground whatsoever, so i'm not surprised by this news.

LOL. Now pornography is an indication of "no ethical moral ground?"

Go back to your countryside stroll, Kojima. They miss you on that other forum

 

[joe_zazen]

sure, give children the responsability to keep themselves in check against gambling mechanics

holy shit on a pogo stick that's so dumb

at this point, drinking is also due to a lack of parenting, let's open stiff drinks to 12 years old,it's not the government responsability to do something about it.

totally.

now if they restict sale to adults and put in robust online age checks, that i can get behind.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

No it is not, especially considering that literally every product aims to "exploit" its customers. It's up to the customers not to be exploited.

And everyone has the tools to, including parents. This is simply a fact.





This just goes to show how you're perfectly aware that your argument is completely baseless since you feel the need to make an absolutely ludicrous out of place comparison between apples and escalators to appeal to feelings because logic is not on your side. Good capitulation.

In any case, I'm done here. This is a done deal, and you're basically just crying that a government didn't side with your restrictive view which would just cause a slippery slope. I've said my piece.



LOL. Now pornography is an indication of "no ethical moral ground?"

Go back to your countryside stroll, Kojima. They miss you on that other forum

ISSA JOKE, MAMA MIA!

 

[joe_zazen]

No it is not, especially considering that literally every product aims to "exploit" its customers. It's up to the customers not to be exploited.

And everyone has the tools to, including parents. This is simply a fact.

why cant kids buy cigarettes, booze, weed, and pornography? Ride in cars without seatbelts?

otoh, they can buy addictive shit like ’food’ made out of 100% sugar and govt gives access to children for exploitation by american tech firms. So yeah, maybe ‘surprise mechanics’ fall into the ‘damage isn‘t cancer or gruesome death’ category so who cares.

 

[Petrae]

now if they restict sale to adults and put in robust online age checks, that i can get behind.

How do you age check online, other than the easily-exploited “Enter your date of birth” boxes? Unless you have to enter a form of ID (driver’s license/government-issued ID, credit card, birth certificate scan), there’s no good way to verify. And if ID is required online, that’s sensitive information that identity thieves/hackers will try to steal.

Most parents will just do whatever to bypass the age checks so that their kids will shut the fuck up for a few minutes if they get to play their video games. Parents, at least here in the US, have been undermining the ESRB practically since its inception. Aside from the loud minority, most don’t give a shit about ratings.

Age checks and/or more strict ratings aren’t gonna do shit. With governments not getting involved, and with consumers buying into this shit to the tune of millions of dollars annually, nothing is changing. Ever. Microtransactions are here to stay, and they’re only going to get more invasive as Gen8 gives way to Gen9.

 

[LittleBusters]

Letting your kid rack up hundreds of dollars in loot boxes isn’t EA’s fault.

The games need to be labeled and rated properly though.

Kids shouldn't be allowed to play games with loot boxes or microtransactions. There are plenty of single-player games that have none of these things. It's called PAR-EN-TING.

 

[joe_zazen]

How do you age check online, other than the easily-exploited “Enter your date of birth” boxes? Unless you have to enter a form of ID (driver’s license/government-issued ID, credit card, birth certificate scan), there’s no good way to verify. And if ID is required online, that’s sensitive information that identity thieves/hackers will try to steal.

Most parents will just do whatever to bypass the age checks so that their kids will shut the fuck up for a few minutes if they get to play their video games. Parents, at least here in the US, have been undermining the ESRB practically since its inception. Aside from the loud minority, most don’t give a shit about ratings.

Age checks and/or more strict ratings aren’t gonna do shit. With governments not getting involved, and with consumers buying into this shit to the tune of millions of dollars annually, nothing is changing. Ever. Microtransactions are here to stay, and they’re only going to get more invasive as Gen8 gives way to Gen9.

good question. I have no answer for that as i like internet anonymity. but i would not be sad if online gambling disappeared either. so maybe the answer is only have gambling irl. I mean you can’t order online tobacco, right?

but i wouldn't be so sure about things never changing. Suicide rates are increasing as tech becomes more addictive and invasive. dead children tend to motivate governments.

 

[Clear]

Suicide rates are increasing as tech becomes more addictive and invasive.

That's social media. Not lootboxes.

 

[joe_zazen]

That's social media. Not lootboxes.

it could be caused by anything designed for addiction by American tech psychopath corporations, so a cumulative problem.

 

[Clear]

it could be caused by anything designed for addiction by American tech psychopath corporations, so a cumulative problem.

Thats bullshit and you know it.

The way social media has become ingrained in the millennial lifestyle and effects stemming from that (facilitating bullying/shaming, anywhere, anytime, its use as a vector for relational violence etc) which directly impact mental health are the real threat.

Loot boxes are a nothing-burger by comparison, and the overwhelming majority of people complaining about them don't have any sort of addiction issues themselves personally, they are just NIMBY-types who don't like their presence in games and are latching onto the "think of the children" line because it suits their purposes.

As to actual "sufferers", the reality is that kids should not be given access to credit/debit accounts until they have proven themselves financially responsible. If its the parents' card (and it nearly invariably is), its on them for their shitty parenting. If its an adult with a gambling addiction then there are numerous other legally permissible ways for them to fuck their lives up with. Onlne casinos being an obvious one.

 

[joe_zazen]

Thats bullshit and you know it.

The way social media has become ingrained in the millennial lifestyle and effects stemming from that (facilitating bullying/shaming, anywhere, anytime, its use as a vector for relational violence etc) which directly impact mental health are the real threat.

Loot boxes are a nothing-burger by comparison, and the overwhelming majority of people complaining about them don't have any sort of addiction issues themselves personally, they are just NIMBY-types who don't like their presence in games and are latchimg onto the "think of the children" line because it suits their purposes.

As to actual "sufferers", the reality is that kids should not be given access to credit/debit accounts until they have proven themselves financially responsible. If its the parents' card (and it nearly invariably is), its on them for their shitty parenting. If its an adult with a gambling addiction then there are numerous other legally permissible ways for them to fuck their lives up with. Onlne casinos being an obvious one.

we’ll see in ten years when we have more data i guess.

Feel bad for the kids who will be used up in the data collection tho. Too bad we couldnt use some our tech to model these things, but i guess it is like the pharma industry where curing and preventing shit isnt as profitable.

 

[Spukc]

I remember once taking a KLM airlines flight and went inside the Amsterdam airport. I was roaming around the airport and spotted a store that sold electronic and DVDs. When i was browsing their selection of DVD, I saw a huge visible collection of pornography. That's when I knew this country had no ethical moral ground whatsoever, so i'm not surprised by this news.

Well said the country had a legal drinking age of 16 i heard. Seems like a shit hole country imo.
Heck they allow testing your hard drugs at parties.

This country is satans anus i tell ya

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Well said the country had a legal drinking age of 16 i heard. Seems like a shit hole country imo.
Heck they allow testing your hard drugs at parties.

This country is satans anus i tell ya

There's a reason why they call one of the most disgusting post-sex acts a "Dutch Oven", Let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Spukc]

There's a reason why they call one of the most disgusting post-sex acts a "Dutch Oven", Let that sink in for a minute.

Yuck !
No manners
at all

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Yuck !
No manners
at all

You must be a Dutch.