Well shit who can we trust for reviews now
You've had the answer all along. The most honest review...is in you.
Well shit who can we trust for reviews now
I agree. There's a few I like to watch, but Jack Frags is one of the first who was showing off PS4 BF4 footage. Oh boy was he having a blast! Everything looked so great, and then you get the game home and can't even access a 64 player conquest match because it doesn't work. The biggest feature for console players DOES NOT WORK! Imagine the sales if consumers knew the truth from the get go? It's sick that EA paid known Youtubers to ignore the game's many issues and project an false image of a product we were about to spend our hard earned money on.
if you watch alot of these guys (and i do) you hear ALOT of how they cant wait to play titanfall!
That was captured from a DICE event where it had all been setup ahead of time, he wasn't just sitting at home remotely connected to the regular MP servers - hence it pretty much worked fine. Get your tin foil hat off.
Amen.Go old school..............play the game yourself instead of watching someone else play it an tell you about it.
It's always the people who play CoD and Battlefield too.
All of those BF4 videos I watched were from a single event? If so I didn't know this.
Tell me again why people think listening to YouTubers is ever a good idea?
I don't even know where to start with that last post. Just about everything is wrong with it.
Come the fuck on dude.
Edit. Obviously not aimed at Lactose_intolerant
Hope these youtubers loose all fans! Gaf should ban all videos from these YouTube channels like they do for various websites
So, being paid via YouTube ads for broadcasting gameplay material that people like is being prevented...
But there's no stopping publishers from bribing broadcasters for skewed opinions.
What. The. Fuck.
It's not being prevented, stricter policies were just implemented. All of which has kind of blown over now after the rough start to the implementation passed.
But we don't know how much paid opinions are out there in this industry, this stuff could happen far more than we all imagine
Yes. I will buy a product in order to evaluate whether I should buy that product.You've had the answer all along. The most honest review...is in you.
You've had the answer all along. The most honest review...is in you.
If slapping random commentaries to gaming footage is you idea of decent, then yes, it is decent.AnderZel and Pwnstar4hire are both decent.
But it is being prevented by those policies if ad revenue is involved, which is only consistent if the person presenting has something people find worthwhile. It didn't matter if that reaction has blown over. Publishers are preventing people from ad-profiting via a reputable stream, where the opinions expressed aren't controlled... But the bribed opinions are now on the rise.
The entire thing is publisher controlled!
If slapping random commentaries to gaming footage is you idea of decent, then yes, it is decent.
Some opinions are good, some opinions are bad. Some people have opinions of opinions! Some people have opinions of opinions of opinions. And then some people try to use the line "It's an opinion!" as a cop out of an argument.Opinions, how do they work again?
Fucking sellouts. I'll stick to boogie2988 and Angry Joe thank you very much.
Wow. It's disgusting to find out how many of these big names are absolute shills.
It's even worse that it seems that MS and EA are going to get away with doing this time and time again.
If slapping random commentaries to gaming footage is you idea of decent, then yes, it is decent.
So you're saying that these Youtubers knew ahead of time that the game was broken and just said nothing about it? They knew as soon as anyone who bought the game at launch. I don't go watch their videos because they "review" games, I go there to watch them play games and have fun. Who cares if they didn't state the obvious about a game that, most people who watch those channel, knew that the game was broken. These guys aren't reviewers of games... If anything be mad at all the review sites that gave a broken game 4 out of 5 stars or more.
I make 500$ a week working in a factory.. But you know what.. money is money. They're not hurting anyone.. they're not stealing.. They're just playing the game. So what if they got paid to do something that they probably would do in the first place. The worst thing I think I heard any of them say is "yeah it has it's problems, but DICE is working on it. Still a fun game".
What I'm saying is that you stating that you, me and everyone else on this board would accept money from a company like EA to fuck over other gamers, because hey, "everyone likes money", is really offensive.
I don't care how much you make.
I've been offered money to play the corporate shill for certain companies related to gaming (not directly though) and I can honestly say that I have never taken a single cent from them, nor endorsed a product in any way shape or form of my own free will that I didn't enjoy myself and thought others might enjoy as well.
Not to mention how "they might needed a new pc" has nothing to do with the topic besides trying to make it sound like it wasn't a douchebag move to begin with.
Yeah, the reviewers that gave BF4 a near perfect score should be ashamed of themselves as well, not to mention be accountable for the enormous amount of people who bought this piece of shit at full price on launch due to their reviews.
But just because these Youtube shills don't strictly review these games doesn't mean that they can wash their hands clean of this shit. Far from it.
Before the launch of the game, any media being released was so carefully controlled that most people who bought the game believed it would be a top product that would perhaps have some balance issues and a couple of bugs like all MP games and especially BF tends to do. But certainly not in the way this broken mess of a game turned out to be.
They agreed to take money from EA to keep silent on any problems they experienced during their play sessions, fully knowing that thousands upon thousands of people were going to see their videos and buy the game thanks to them.
If you don't think that's a scumbag move on their part, and that this is something you, me and everyone else on here would do in an instant, then I've got some shocking news for you.
Downplaying this whole ordeal and defending these assholes is just as bad from where I'm standing.
You are taking this waaay to seriously.. I'll be the first to admit that EA is a shady and knew that BF4 was riddled with problems. But to go as far as calling these guys "assholes and scumbags" is a bit much... And keep making sound like these guys were told "hey this game is going to be broken when it comes out.. down play it." The only time these guy played the game before us was at conferences.
And also how did these guys "screw over" gamers? Did they make you buy the game? They didn't misinform people. They just didn't say anything bad about it... They also didn't Go get this game!! BEST GAME EVER!!! Who Cares? And now that the embargo is lifted?? Are they tearing the game down?? No they're trying to help to fix it. Anyone who played the game once knew it was broken.. Why is it these guys duty to inform the masses/?? Broken or not the game is still fun. The way I see it the guys just got free money for nothing.. Them not saying anything didn't change anything.. After the first day people were complaining about the game..
Oh yeah.. BF 4 released Oct 29.. this video of Lvlcap is on Nov 2 where he is talking about the issues BF4 is having.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV3xUyfYQdI
X Factor talking about issues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjBKoEN17lM
Matimi0 talking about the lag Oct 31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXxeKXXVkA
Matimi0 Oct 29 talking about all the bugs [URL="http://youtu.be/in3d10Aacf8?t=7m27s"[/URL]
These guys have brought up the problems and issues.. I mean are you guys mad that they didn't rage about it?
I don't care if these guys are getting paid by EA or MS to shill. Go ahead and get your money. My issue is them pretending like they weren't paid when they were. They should have told their audience that the footage they were watching was in an EA controlled atmosphere and EA paid them to play it. The user can make up their mind as to whether they want to watch the video after that but they didn't do that probably b/c the user would call them sellouts or shills or whatever and not watch and that's the issue. Shill all you want for whatever company/product is paying you, just be upfront about it so I can make a decision on whether I like the content or not.
Hope these youtubers loose all fans! Gaf should ban all videos from these YouTube channels like they do for various websites
Everything that I say in my Battlefield videos is genuine; no opinions are bought, and thus I didn't feel the need to disclose that I was getting paid by EA to say what I want.
LevelCap responded: Being Paid By EA: LevelCap's Response
He actually said this:
I was hoping for an apology or that he'd at least recognize how he could be viewed as having mislead gamers. He makes some good content, but the shilling for EA and stuff like Origin PC is a little over the top.
LevelCap responded: Being Paid By EA: LevelCap's Response
He actually said this:
I was hoping for an apology or that he'd at least recognize how he could be viewed as having mislead gamers. He makes some good content, but the shilling for EA and stuff like Origin PC is a little over the top.
Honestly I don't see the big deal here. Maybe they should have disclosed that they got money from EA for like 3 videos that each of them have done.. But it's none of my business and I'm sure that's how they felt too. I mean half of the videos that they got paid for didn't even have commentary. They were just ask to not show bugs in the Pre-alpha/alpha/beta version of the game because it wasn't finished. I get that. And when the game did come out they did put it down for the bug and netcode issues. I don't feel lied to or deceived.. This is normal practice for YouTubers. In my previous posts I thought it was after the launch that this happened but it was a little bit before and after launch. I always figured that they got or could get money from EA.. I mean don't they even fly some of them to the shows so they can play? I mean I get why people are upset but really it's just a "eh" situation.
This is JackFrags response http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_4/comments/1vshrg/ea_paid_youtubers_for_showing_bf4_launch_in_a/cew5wvb?context=3
Looks like common sense and humility aren't strong among these youtubers.
Jack Frags posted a video response. It is rather long at 34 minutes.
Only half way through the vid, but I think they're missing the biggest point. The issue is not with being paid, it's that they're not disclosing they did. It doesn't matter whether Ronku told them to or not, it's just responsible and fair to your viewership to make it open. Thinking otherwise is just shady and deceitful. It's blatantly OBVIOUS that your viewers would want to know those details, and whether or not a particular video is paid for or not.
Add to that, whilst the FTC guidelines themselves are not legally enforceable, there are laws pertaining to them that are. So he is somewhat wrong about that.
He does address the fact that he should have disclosed it later in the vid.
Go old school..............play the game yourself instead of watching someone else play it an tell you about it.
Higher you go the more corrupt it gets and doesnt get higher than MS/EA/YT
LevelCap responded: Being Paid By EA: LevelCap's Response
He actually said this:
I was hoping for an apology or that he'd at least recognize how he could be viewed as having mislead gamers. He makes some good content, but the shilling for EA and stuff like Origin PC is a little over the top.
Honestly I don't see the big deal here. Maybe they should have disclosed that they got money from EA for like 3 videos that each of them have done.. But it's none of my business and I'm sure that's how they felt too. I mean half of the videos that they got paid for didn't even have commentary. They were just ask to not show bugs in the Pre-alpha/alpha/beta version of the game because it wasn't finished. I get that. And when the game did come out they did put it down for the bug and netcode issues. I don't feel lied to or deceived.. This is normal practice for YouTubers. In my previous posts I thought it was after the launch that this happened but it was a little bit before and after launch. I always figured that they got or could get money from EA.. I mean don't they even fly some of them to the shows so they can play? I mean I get why people are upset but really it's just a "eh" situation.
This is JackFrags response http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_4/comments/1vshrg/ea_paid_youtubers_for_showing_bf4_launch_in_a/cew5wvb?context=3
Jack Frags posted a video response. It is rather long at 34 minutes.
i hate gaming journalism so much
so full of hacks
I just think it's funny how much people rage over stupid trivial things. I honestly believe that JackFrags didn't think to "disclose" this because he honestly didn't know. I mean seriously who cares? Oh no Jack didn't tell me that he made a little extra money off of a video that had no commentary and was raw footage at a gaming convention. Nevermind the fact that it's the same video that he puts out almost on a daily basis.. GET HIM!! People need to grow up.
People blowing this waayy outta proportion. Most of the Youtubers you watch.. they sign up for assignments... Get over it.