Twist of the year? 
Glad to see the Langdell ordeal is mostly over though.
Glad to see the Langdell ordeal is mostly over though.For those just joining us.
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EA v EDGE GAMES, the Aftermath. Thread of the Decline and Fall of Tim Langdell
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Huh? I don't remember seeing anyhing about blackmail in his posts. It seemed to just be asking Langdell for a response unless there was something I missed.
I didn't see it either. The permaban is too harsh IMO. This is throwing out the baby with the bath water. A firm slap on the wrist would suffice ...
There are still references to the comments in the thread, it was definitely there. It was an odd thing to see at the time. I doubt that phisheep, being fairly conversant in law, would have actually done anything illegal but talking about that sort of thing is probably not a great idea. Hope he can come back someday.
I have been in contact with phisheep. He's understandably distraught but if I understand correctly, he will return in about a month.
I believe he would value some contact with a mod for the purposes of explaining his side. I'm sure they have an email address but if not, drop me a PM.
I believe he would value some contact with a mod for the purposes of explaining his side. I'm sure they have an email address but if not, drop me a PM.
So he did go and file appeals it seems. If this thread has taught me anything, it's here, at this stage that he opens himself up to actual trouble.
So Langdell is basically complaining:
- There are two matters before the court and the trademark cancellation shouldn't have taken place.
- The trademarks aren't with Edge Games, but with Edge Interactive Media, which is... I don't know. A shell company? It's not named in the 2010 case/court order, acc. Langdell. He also claims that they're co-owned by Future. He's basically saying that the Court wrote their cancellation order wrongly. I'm not well enough versed with the case to make a judgement call.
Oh also he wants to disbarr Future's attorneys who presented the court order because it's invalid? Apparently? And EA are relying on fabricated evidence or something? He submitted a formal complaint about EA's in-house attorney, in any case, and this other guy working for Reed Smith LLP.
Christ, this wording is appalling, it loops around in circles over and over again and the man can't stop using bold italicised underlined text.
I wish Phi were here, I can't wrap my head around this nonsense
- There are two matters before the court and the trademark cancellation shouldn't have taken place.
- The trademarks aren't with Edge Games, but with Edge Interactive Media, which is... I don't know. A shell company? It's not named in the 2010 case/court order, acc. Langdell. He also claims that they're co-owned by Future. He's basically saying that the Court wrote their cancellation order wrongly. I'm not well enough versed with the case to make a judgement call.
Oh also he wants to disbarr Future's attorneys who presented the court order because it's invalid? Apparently? And EA are relying on fabricated evidence or something? He submitted a formal complaint about EA's in-house attorney, in any case, and this other guy working for Reed Smith LLP.
Christ, this wording is appalling, it loops around in circles over and over again and the man can't stop using bold italicised underlined text.
I wish Phi were here, I can't wrap my head around this nonsense
I'm completely guessing here but it seemed pretty obvious to me that phisheep's offer to Langdell was for Langdell to do the right thing finally and give up all of his trademarks voluntarily thus preventing a lot of legal bullshit to finally get rid of Langdell's hold on anything relating to EDGE and if he didn't than phisheep would initiate criminal proceedings. The way it was worded was pretty threatening. I hope phisheep can explain his side of the story to the mods and the one month ban will be shortened. But that's for the mods.
Anton668
Member
yeah, its almost more of the same... yet different.
the ATTORNEY COMPLAINT FORM is new isnt it?
to which he states in #7
and this part seems kinda funny to me
its like hes trying to use the same thing that has been said about himself many times that 'no self respecting attorney would represent him' against EA now..... lol
the ATTORNEY COMPLAINT FORM is new isnt it?
to which he states in #7
and this part seems kinda funny to me
its like hes trying to use the same thing that has been said about himself many times that 'no self respecting attorney would represent him' against EA now..... lol
I hope he does return. The effort he made in this thread is commendable, the type of thing you'd normally have to pay high fees to descifer and it'd be a shame to lose his insight. That said, I can see Evilore's side to the matter and realize some action had to be taken. Hope it's not permanent, though.
In any case, I'm not surprised this isn't over. This was too big of a milk cow to give up without an appeal. Hopefully justice will prevail nonetheless.
Magna_Mixalis
Member
Very happy to hear that phisheep isn't perma'd. I understand the reasoning, but when I saw his name in that ominous grey, it seriously ruined my evening.
And why am I not surprised that Timmy bought more tickets for the tilt-a-whirl of stupidity?
Anyway, I propose we put off the party for now, due to things not being over and the absence of the guest of honor.
And why am I not surprised that Timmy bought more tickets for the tilt-a-whirl of stupidity?
Anyway, I propose we put off the party for now, due to things not being over and the absence of the guest of honor.
Anton668
Member
agreed
Wow. Does he seriously think that baseless speculation is going to get him somewhere?
Agreed on all fronts.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Woah woah. Blackmailing? Damn...
Langdell: "The fact that Phisheep was banned from the message board known as NeoGAF is further evidence that the marks are valid and that the court order is void on its face. Thus the board is obligated to order the USPTO to reinstate he marks"
giant_frying_pan
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A breach of NeoGAF terms I presume as what phisheep posted was not illegal.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Nice to be back folks. It's party time - or at least it will be tomorrow.
We're having it here so it doesn't clutter up the new thread (which is over there somewhere), but it is staying locked until after the party so we don't go getting winestains all over it. Besides, I'll be having a bit of a break from doing updates until Tuesday.
Just to whet your appetite for the new stuff though, I have spent a bit of time rummaging through California State law this afternoon and it looks to me like Langdell has rather significantly shot himself in the foot with his latest attempt. But that's for the new thread.
One more thing. Any discussion of my ban or the circumstances surrounding it is out of order. Verboten.
See you guys tomorrow - those who can make it. Meanwhile I'll tamper with the OP a bit to try and get everything up to date as at the cancellations.
We're having it here so it doesn't clutter up the new thread (which is over there somewhere), but it is staying locked until after the party so we don't go getting winestains all over it. Besides, I'll be having a bit of a break from doing updates until Tuesday.
Just to whet your appetite for the new stuff though, I have spent a bit of time rummaging through California State law this afternoon and it looks to me like Langdell has rather significantly shot himself in the foot with his latest attempt. But that's for the new thread.
One more thing. Any discussion of my ban or the circumstances surrounding it is out of order. Verboten.
See you guys tomorrow - those who can make it. Meanwhile I'll tamper with the OP a bit to try and get everything up to date as at the cancellations.
Langdell just shot himself in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about California State law (I'm an expert), but honesty and facts are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in the IGDA where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in California, you bring criminal action on yourself, and the only way to get rid of that crime is serving time.
What this means is the California public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Mythora for any system, nor will they purchase any of Edge's many games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Langdell has alienated an entire market with this move.
Langdell, publicly confess and cancel Mythora for PS4 or you can kiss your business goodbye.
(With apologies...)
Dr Frasier Crane
Member
How small my life must be that you being reinstated brings such joy to my Sunday.
Also: NeoGAF justice system: 1
Actual NA justice system: 0
Magna_Mixalis
Member
And with the re-opening of this thread, my Sunday has been made.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I have updated the OP and post #2 to reflect the position immediately following the cancellation of the trademarks, to include two new trademark applications made by Langdell this month which I had missed (yeah, he is still at it) and to fix the broken links to the UK trademark system.
That'll be the last updates in this thread, everything else and all substantive commentary going forward will be in the new one.
That'll be the last updates in this thread, everything else and all substantive commentary going forward will be in the new one.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Well, I said that'll be the last updates in this thread. But allow me a brief word. Langdell filed two more motions today (22nd April), though actually they are slightly modified retreads of his two previous motions one of which was more-or-less a copy of the first.
So that's four motions for the price of one.
You know I teased a bit earlier that Langdell appears to have done himself some serious self-harm? Well, it looks like, probably in response to a post (not mine this time) in this thread, he has changed his approach and made things even worse for himself. But I'm not going to talk about that until the new thread is open, by which time it will be too late for him to effect a rescue.
Instead - party time in 2 hours.
So that's four motions for the price of one.
You know I teased a bit earlier that Langdell appears to have done himself some serious self-harm? Well, it looks like, probably in response to a post (not mine this time) in this thread, he has changed his approach and made things even worse for himself. But I'm not going to talk about that until the new thread is open, by which time it will be too late for him to effect a rescue.
Instead - party time in 2 hours.
Welcome back phisheep!
It wouldn't be the same without you.
I'm with you with a fine glass of wine!
Cheers!
Magna_Mixalis
Member
My god, it's almost like he's the Schadenfreude Santa
, delivering endless insanity and enema-squeezin's for the entertainment of Armchair_Lawyer-GAF.
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Phisheep, I have the feeling that Tim has become the equivalent of luggage in your life; once bought, it's impossible to get rid of.
I raise a toast to the Stability Gods on behalf of phisheep, in the hope that they will bring blessed normalicy in the in the sure-to-be Lunacy-filled days ahead.
*Cheers*
TM
Also TM
Phisheep, I have the feeling that Tim has become the equivalent of luggage in your life; once bought, it's impossible to get rid of.
I raise a toast to the Stability Gods on behalf of phisheep, in the hope that they will bring blessed normalicy in the in the sure-to-be Lunacy-filled days ahead.
*Cheers*
Cosmonaut X
Member
So what's the difference? ;-)
EdwardTivrusky
Member
I'm off to get the oven on for some chips and mushrooms and onion rings and chicken burgers and beans and i shall return with some excellent ciders and a starbar for dessert.
A proper party demands proper preparation!
A proper party demands proper preparation!
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Your very good health Sir. Also, have a twiglet. Hiro didn't want it.
You're right a bit. I dived into the Langdell thing fairly early and never expected it to take quite so much time, not four years for certain - I thought I might be delaying the internet mania for what - 6 months, a year? Four years is a bit long though.
Mind you, as I just posted on Eurogamer ...
But I'm trying to get my head round how that works for the new thread going forward.
It's nice (!) that things are moving fast now rather than at the horribly sluggish pace of the last few years.
frontieruk
Member
fruit pastilles? Why didn't I think of that??? Damn these skittles :'(
SiegfriedFM
Member
Posting in a epic thread, and an epic party. Such a joy to see it turn out this way. The best is probably yet to come though...
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
You're asking the difference between real shit and fake shit and you actually care?
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I'm off to get the oven on for some chips and mushrooms and onion rings and chicken burgers and beans and i shall return with some excellent ciders and a starbar for dessert.
A proper party demands proper preparation!
It does. But lob me a mushroom when it is done. Keep your onion rings to yourself.
Duh. Why did I not think of doing the (TM) thing. I have been owned by jvm. Probably not for the first time either.
Armoured Priest
Member
I'm at work, so no alcohol, but I do have a beverage and an open browser window...so Cheers!
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Skittles are OK so long as they are not those stupid modern ones (I had to take advice from my son on that one).
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
It was a few days ago the marks were officially killed off. But as usual that's not the end of the story - Langdell has appealed (four times now), has applied for two more trademarks, has potential big problems with his licensees and has an even bigger problem he has landed himself in over the last few days.
So basically what we are celebrating is the cancellation of (four out of the five) trademarks at issue, and the end of this thread, and getting the celebrating out of the way before the next thead starts.
UncleSporky
Member
Same here. Something about this thread is infectious.
When do we get to understand what's going on?
fabricated backlash
Member
Hi, I'm just going to sit in the corner and watch the party... unless there's free beer somewhere here?
Glad to see that Phisheep wasn't permabanned. I was just tangentially following this thread but I definetly have a lot of memories of facepalms and disbelief.
Anyway, enjoy your party people, I'll be drinking a beer and toasting to you.
Glad to see that Phisheep wasn't permabanned. I was just tangentially following this thread but I definetly have a lot of memories of facepalms and disbelief.
Anyway, enjoy your party people, I'll be drinking a beer and toasting to you.
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