Dark Cloud
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But I thought ARMS was only going to have 5 characters? 🙄
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EDGE #306: Cover for June is ARMS
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But I thought ARMS was only going to have 5 characters? 🙄
Jonneh3003
Banned
Wasn't criticising you, just thought it was a funny article title. I can't wait for ARMS! It's actually pretty rare we get a new fighting IP from a major studio.
UnemployedVillain
Member
No way. Splatoon was only there because it lacked a ton of features at launch. Splatoon from even just 2 months after is significantly improved. I don't think Nintendo will do the same thing with ARMS and Splatoon 2. They'll have all their core features for the start this time
This board goes full tilt stupid when it comes to Nintendo titles sometimes. It's embarrassing looking back at people who thought that. Good thing mods don't delete old threads and we can always go back and laugh
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Haven't bought a Switch yet but I'm super excited for this game. I don't really understand some of the skepticism toward Arms. It has looked great to me since the reveal. But I'm a massive Punch-Out fan I guess...
Messofanego
Banned
I really like the alternate colors in this game so far.
Black Ribbon Girl is sick - she's my favorite so far. I would prefer a black Ribbon Girl though - as in African American. But I guess the idea of a black character as an "alternate color" is definitely problematic - so lemme change that: I hope we get a black character.
Is there going to be any people of colour in the game?
UnemployedVillain
Member
One of the character portraits is brown and I'm assuming there will be more POC (although the others look non-human)
Dark Cloud
Member
How would we know?
Anyways we know there's a green guy who looks like Bender and Gumby put together.
Messofanego
Banned
See a few posts below:
Thanks!
Fighting games have had skin color swaps since forever. Some SNK games even have a color edit mode where you can freely change the sprite's colors. USFII will have that too.I really like the alternate colors in this game so far.
Black Ribbon Girl is sick - she's my favorite so far. I would prefer a black Ribbon Girl though - as in African American. But I guess the idea of a black character as an "alternate color" is definitely problematic - so lemme change that: I hope we get a black character.
tkscz
Member
So far we have two white people, three of Asian decent, and a mummy, which would could claim is Egyptian.
FonkyByNature
Member
I love the cover, think the game will deliver. It looks really fun to play and reminds me of those colorful Dreamcast games. It also seems like a spiritual successor to Punch Out. I'm actually very exited a new type of fighting game is coming.
For me ARMS is a day one purchase ! Can't wait !
For me ARMS is a day one purchase ! Can't wait !
Really hope that this gets the same kind of post-launch support that Splatoon did - by the sound of that last quote that seems quite likely!
Splatoon (as much as I adore it) launched without key features like private battles, any mp modes other than turf war, and it had only 5 mp maps.
I still woulda given it a 9.75 at launch but that's just me 
ARMS already looks like it'll have a stronger base package. Whether the game as a whole will resonate with people as much as Splatoon did is another story tho.
what, so next you're gonna tell me Splatoon 2 isn't a port?
Splatoon (as much as I adore it) launched without key features like private battles, any mp modes other than turf war, and it had only 5 mp maps.I still woulda given it a 9.75 at launch but that's just me
ARMS already looks like it'll have a stronger base package. Whether it'll resonate with people as much as Splatoon did is another story tho.
I'm pretty confident in it doing low 80s. And I think it will have progressive free DLC.
But does it really matter? shrug
The single player mode needs to be more fleshed out and maybe multiplayer minigames that take advantage of the controls.
wild wild rice
Member
It's a bit outside the box. The general public doesn't care for outside the box.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
!!!
SPRING MAN HAS SIDEBURNS
SPRING MAN HAS SIDEBURNS
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yeah, shame about Splatoon. It had so much potential!
Tizoc
Member
Why not just lurk Boorus and Pixiv? You'll find lots of fanart of different kinds.
Lupin the Third
Member
Well, re: "people", didn't we determine only one character so far has human-looking eyes and the rest seem to be androids? Still good that they have a variety of model types that at least feel inclusive.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I mean Splatoon was outside the box, depends on what exactly is outside the box.
They're not androids, just mutants. There's been a few places talking about how some people in this world are born with "ARMS Ability."
tkscz
Member
that's what I said a week or 2 ago lol
"Comes into thread to complain about no PoC"
"Conveniently ignores majority of shown characters are not necessarily white"
We're going to need an ARMS: the Education thread soon at this rate.
Official, mostly the Japanese profiles and twitter.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Japanese ARMS twitter, and NoA/NoE reposted one of their tweets with "some people aren't born with ARMS, but Mechanica found a way to fight!"
tkscz
Member
Dark Cloud
Member
Interesting indeed
wild wild rice
Member
Some of the skepticism may be because ARMS doesn't quite look like anything else out there at the moment, is all I'm saying.
See the amount of people complaining about the size of the roster without considering the amount of arm combinations, for example.
UnemployedVillain
Member
I "loved" that thread where one posted insisted Elma was an alien...but also that she was just a tanned Japanese person at the same time
People had similar complaints about Splatoon because an E3 demo wasn't a full featured game. I'm not going to call them dumb, but...it's hard to characterize those early comments as anything positive or intelligible
OricWindstar
Member
Man, I love how much the colors pop in this game. Glad Nintendo is going all in for this.
Complaints are just within gaming forums. You don't see outrage everywhere. Kind of like how "loud" the complaints about Splatoon with regards to its initial content, yet it still ended up being the largest-selling new IP from Nintendo on Wii U.
UnemployedVillain
Member
It was the largest new Japanese IP this gen
Hellshadow
Member
So this is slighty off topic but, if you look at the editorial section (where they list the editors etc.) in very tiny small print, I found this gem:
I found that quite humorous.
I found that quite humorous.
The article notes that in addition to the devs balancing the game and running algorithms to analyze all of their live fight data, they also have the AI fighting itself nonstop all through the night, for additional data.
Kind of neat to know that when everyone at Nintendo has gone home for the night, the game continues to play itself in some dark office in Japan.
Kind of neat to know that when everyone at Nintendo has gone home for the night, the game continues to play itself in some dark office in Japan.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
that was the worse
Deft Beck
Member
What about that woman on the lower left portion of that picture of the four teased characters?
Traumnovelle
Member
This is the teaser for the next issue. Any guess on what it is for?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Not just this gen, as far as consoles were console it was the largest new IP in Japanese something like the PS1.
Visualante2
Member
Usually always get my issue before or on the street date. I understand they want to keep Nintendo happy after breaking the Zelda embargo but it's a real bummer that digital is getting it before me.
That part from the NE article caught my attention the most, because it confirms some things regarding the developer's mindset that we didn't entirely know about before:
- They're taking balance between characters and Arms seriously, despite admitting the difficulty in making that work with the number of combination.
- They acknowledge the esports potential of the genre in general which I have to assume means it's something they're at least looking into with ARMS, which means continued attention and support.
- They have internal tools to log and categorize all of their developer matches as well as A.I. fights. Optimistically, I hope they find a way to turn some of those tools around to give players access to some pretty cool stat-tracking that they can use to tweak strategies or Arm selections. I have to assume it also means Nintendo can likely collect data from online matches and perhaps even big tournaments and use all of that to factor in future balance patches.
CPU vs. CPU fights for statistical purposes is fun to consider, but the usefulness of those numbers also largely depends on how well they programmed the fighting A.I. to begin with, so that aspect of it should still be taken with a grain of salt, but depending on the depth of their tracking tools, they could do some really cool stuff for the end user.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah I mean something like Ninjara's dodge can't really be balanced through such a method if the AI essentially cheats and can track where he's moving to unlike a human player if it's programmed that way, but I imagine such limitations would be abundantly obvious and if not the tournaments should definitely make it obvious if they somehow managed to miss it.
Obviously they wouldn't balance the game based on AI with precognition.
I don't know how effective balancing a fighting game using AI is, and I don't think anyone else does it, but it should at least bode well for the CPU opponents you fight against. It should be better than the standard AI you find in fighting games.
I don't know how effective balancing a fighting game using AI is, and I don't think anyone else does it, but it should at least bode well for the CPU opponents you fight against. It should be better than the standard AI you find in fighting games.
UnemployedVillain
Member
I don't know why any of that is particularly surprising. They literally introduced the game as a game for core gamers, yet people still seem surprised by this