TOAO_Cyrus
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Because MS wanted 8 gigs of ram and GDDR5 was considered too expensive for that at the time. The ESRAM was supposed to compensate for the low bandwidth with GDDR3.
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EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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Because MS wanted 8 gigs of ram and GDDR5 was considered too expensive for that at the time. The ESRAM was supposed to compensate for the low bandwidth with GDDR3.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Vita.
Lets not worry about the PS4s Multitasking abilites, shall we?
PS: these astroturfing juniors are getting old. So blatantly obvious.
Bluekaveli
Member
CoD GHosts, welp. We're doomed.
SEGAvangelist
Member
I wouldn't say he came off as a troll. He could definitely be a shill, though.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Looks like the 50% power difference is true. Guess those extra teraflops really do count on the PS4, don't they?
Very disappointing to hear that devs are unlikely to utilise the additional power of the PS4 to maintain platform parity however. That would fucking suck.
I want my PS4 multiplatform games to be as good as they possibly can be.
That was a good ban; I had just finished looking at all 30 of his posts and I felt like I was reading a MS press release the whole time.
Bluekaveli
Member
Boy that escalated pretty quickly.
Sony should release the Dark Sorcerer demo for download on PS4. I'd love to be able to pause it and move around the scene in realtime. It can be this gen's T-Rex demo
That is kind of how I see it as well. What I take the quote to mean is that you aren't going to see games with more advanced visual features that would need to be designed separately for the PS4. Instead we will see things like higher resolutions, more consistent v-sync, locked framerate, longer draw distances, better texture filtering, and things like that. So in other words the PS4 versions will have the same core visuals, but cleaner and more optimized.
cripterion
Member
Different games? Kinect? Controller preferences? Better experience with online?
You people turning these threads into goddamn console wars are the worst.How about you let people buy what they want instead of feeling good about your purchase?
Kinect doesn't offer better gameplay.
Not all games will have dedicated servers.
Cloud is meaningless and no multi-platform game will take advantage of whatever minor advantage it may add.
So no. Xbone does not offer better everything else.
it has a stronger GPU but we are not sure exactly what the GPU is going to have to also be doing, it seems the Xbox has things that may traditionally be offloaded to the GPU now on custom processors. Ho much of the 50% difference is audio work or other tasks that Microsoft are offloading into their custom bits? What processes their PSEYE etc?
This might bring them closer than we think and why Albert is bullish.
This is just using the hardware correctly, and then there is optimizing for the hardware which is similar across the board , 8 Jaguar cores and the GCN graphics architecture.
Both have a long way to go, but just because one appears (or is) ahead does not mean it will then magnify that lead as double both still leads to the same difference between them so starting in the lead does not instantly grant you an advantage.
This is pretty much what I expect.
Well at least if the XBO is being pushed to its limit, if the PS4 version ends up with equal graphics, it will be able to handle all high density action sequences with zero framerate slowdown.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Reads like he spins for MSFT for a living. Sad.
There are more around here like him but aren't as blatant as that.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
My reaction to the parity part, where the PS4 version would be held back by the Xbone because of politics, is that I don't think 3rd developers like the fact that Naughty Dog, Polyphony Digital, Guerrilla Games, Santa Monica, and now add Sucker Punch to the mix are getting the spotlight and praise for being the stand outs. It implies that Sony WWS are more talented and have more expertise, and while that may actually be true I have to feel 3rd party devs would like to prove they are better or equal. They will never do that by handcuffing themselves to the Xbone and not fully taking advantage of the PS4.
So it will be interesting to me if developers from 3rd parties will take advantage of the PS4's strengths. The really interesting part will be if some do and then some don't as that would shine an even brighter light on those that don't and even more questions will be raised as to why they didn't.
So it will be interesting to me if developers from 3rd parties will take advantage of the PS4's strengths. The really interesting part will be if some do and then some don't as that would shine an even brighter light on those that don't and even more questions will be raised as to why they didn't.
Enordash
Member
The intense focus on hardware differences between the two consoles feels awfully like the console vs PC debate that no one really wants to take part in. There's currently way too much politics in my gaming. I suppose this whole "your team sucks" attitude is present in all things. I believe people who are adopting the X1, by now, understand that it most likely won't be matching the power of the PS4, but there are still many reasons to buy one. There are even more reasons to get both! I'll grab a guitar and we can all sing Kumbaya or something.
Yes, this is the most "Apples to Apples" comparison we've probably ever had for consoles.
TheJollyCorner
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They usually lasts for about 30-50 posts before they are exposed.
Can Crusher
Banned
People keep saying they will target Xbox One and then port the left overs to Ps4, all while forgetting that they will be developing PC versions of these games at the same time...
I wonder if Watch Dogs is being made for the Wii U and then ported to the Xbox One just because Wii U is the least powerful... People need to wake up and smell the roses.
I wonder if Watch Dogs is being made for the Wii U and then ported to the Xbox One just because Wii U is the least powerful... People need to wake up and smell the roses.
Manmademan
Member
yes and no. Third party games aren't competing in a vacuum. They also need to share shelf space with first party efforts.
EA isn't going to be selling too much Need for Speed if it ends up looking like shit on PS4 next to Driveclub. Third party efforts on both platforms will be optimized to the best of their abilities, as they always have been. Ease of programming on PS4 is significant, because if the gap is as wide as we've been led to believe then programmers will end up leading there more often than not- especially if the ps4 has a larger install base. (likely, given the price gap + launching in more territories).
in an established marketplace, sure. But Xbox is coming out of the gate already with a negative feel to it from the early adopters, and if there is a clear difference in multiplatform games from the very beginning, then that could easily slow down adoption even further. It could stall if they aren't careful.
NullPointer
Member
?????
I feel that Sony have already nailed "seamless and fast" with Vita and Vita TV. Excuse the poor quality gif and camerawork but if they can do this on 2-3 year old handheld hardware then I am very much looking forward to what the PS4 is capable of.
boredandlazy
Member
well, I guess you could say he's officially...
UnnDunn.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
First it was BLow
Then NFS developer
Then War thunder developer
Then Former Bulletstorm developer
So we already have developers who openly talked about PS4 advantage . You just have to be naive to ignore all of this , even if you don't trust EDGE "no names" sources.
Worst part is how still Albert came and FUD it up. And then got ridiculed by Ars personally and now this.
I am also not shocked how Albert is all of a sudden going to take few weeks to show how he did his voodo math. kind of exactly what they did when they got roasted for DRM. Hope if they close there eyes, we will forget and bad things will go away. I still recall after the backlash how they mules and cancel all PR and round table interviews and discussions. Hence, no shocking that Albert has taken that route.
Then NFS developer
Then War thunder developer
Then Former Bulletstorm developer
So we already have developers who openly talked about PS4 advantage . You just have to be naive to ignore all of this , even if you don't trust EDGE "no names" sources.
Worst part is how still Albert came and FUD it up. And then got ridiculed by Ars personally and now this.
I am also not shocked how Albert is all of a sudden going to take few weeks to show how he did his voodo math. kind of exactly what they did when they got roasted for DRM. Hope if they close there eyes, we will forget and bad things will go away. I still recall after the backlash how they mules and cancel all PR and round table interviews and discussions. Hence, no shocking that Albert has taken that route.
I thought most third parties said they would be developing for PC first then porting to PS4/Xbone
SmoothRunningGun
Member
This my concern. Should at least see higher and more consistent frame-rates.
DeviantBoi
Member
Some devs didn't care about parity this generation. I remember Bayonetta looking like crap on the PS3.
All of a sudden devs are now talking about castrating the PS4 version so as not to upset Microsoft?
Reminds me of when some reviewers were reducing the score of the PS3 versions of games because they looked inferior, but when in the rare occasion that it was the other way around, same score.
All of a sudden devs are now talking about castrating the PS4 version so as not to upset Microsoft?
Reminds me of when some reviewers were reducing the score of the PS3 versions of games because they looked inferior, but when in the rare occasion that it was the other way around, same score.
Which makes it even more of a head scratcher. If PC is the target, why not port "high" over to PS4 and "medium" over to XBO while leaving "very high" and "ultra" to the PC hardware club.
OMG, i lold hard
Manmademan
Member
The PS4 also has a separate audio processor. Sony just hasn't bothered detailing it as a marketing bullet point. Given that Sony invented the CD AND the Super Audio CD AND Blu-Ray (along with their associated chips and codecs) invented the sound processor in the SNES, and had the PS2 capable of DTS 5.1 in game before anyone else in 2000, i don't even know why anyone bothers to even bring up "microsoft is better at audio". They aren't.
The PSEYE is an accessory and not a requirement. Since it's not "always on" and resources aren't always going to it (as they are with the Xbone due to media functions and voice navigation) the PSEYE isn't relevant. Kinect needing resources always dedicated to it IS, however.
the difference here is the same as two videocards with the same architecture, one just running faster than the other. The PS4 will *always* outperform the 360 for multiplatform efforts, especially since its easier for devs to take advantage of its strengths.
tinfoilhatman
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I think the real danger is traditional core Xbox fans(like me) sitting on the sidelines to see how things shake out over the first 3 months.
If multiplatforms are clearly better on PS4 my X1 purchase may be waiting a couple years for a price drop.
you can make pac-man struggle in a titan. if you don't make effort, powerful hardware is useless.
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Can someone please explain why they think That devs will use the Xbone as their lead platform? It makes no sense. Even if you dont beleive the edge article, Why would developers base their development on a platform that requires more work. The reason that the 360 was the lead platform for many multiplats this generation was the ease of development above all else.
Now the situation is reversed. Its much eaiser from both a working and promotion end, to complete development on the PS4 version first, then spend the rest of the dev time working on optimising the Xbone version to bring it up to scratch.
Not to mention the dev builds that have to be sent to publishers every few months. If the PS4 version is that easy to code for, its clearly going to be the console of choice for lead development. If that leads to better looking multiplats is another story however.
Now the situation is reversed. Its much eaiser from both a working and promotion end, to complete development on the PS4 version first, then spend the rest of the dev time working on optimising the Xbone version to bring it up to scratch.
Not to mention the dev builds that have to be sent to publishers every few months. If the PS4 version is that easy to code for, its clearly going to be the console of choice for lead development. If that leads to better looking multiplats is another story however.
Mihos
Gold Member
I hope this is true.
The only thing for me that is changing from last gen, is I would usually buy multiplatform on XBOX, and Exclusive (and Square) games on PS3. Now I will lead with PC, then PS4, then Xbone.
Probably canceling Xbox gold unless it becomes more like PS+
Megadragon15
Member
So when is Albert going to spread some fud about this article? Can't wait for that.
Damn man, GAF detectives don't let anything pass by!
TheJollyCorner
Member
Albert ain't comin' back, boyo.
I feel like I played games looking like this years ago on my PC.
Its not really the power difference that will convince people. It never has and never will be. I dont think anybody doubts the PS4 success but that has more to do with the PR disaster that Microsoft brought up. Its their concept of the Xbone that was a failure.
The feel of dynamic lighting and shadows.... Which PC racers had those?
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