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Podcast is now up!

Most GAFers seem to dislike the EGM Live crew, I like these guys. Jenn Tsao is a different kind of host and this podcast is vastly different from 1Up Yours which is a welcome change for Mondays.

Podcast Direct Link

EMG Live Podcast Page


Damnit I goofed on the thread title...

 

[purg3]

This week, the EGM editors tackle a question that's been festering in our minds recently: Is the Wii catering to casual gamers too much and leaving hardcore gamers out of the equation? We discuss/argue/laugh/cry. That's not the only thing that has us worried, though. What's this news about Xbox 360s sitting in retail channels? Hmm. But fear not, it's not all about the stress: We also talk about what games we've been playing this week, and the EGM Review Crew gives its treatment to Super Paper Mario (and Shoe has a few words to them about a game he feels is far too wordy). All this, plus the winner to last week's essay contest and a new question!

Will listen once the link is fixed.

 

[fatigues_gasolini]

This is supposed to be my thread. This is the only thing I look foward to every week, posting the EGM Live link. Now what am I going to do. Oh the humanity!

 

[Karma Kramer]

This is supposed to be my thread. This is the only thing I look foward to every week, posting the EGM Live link. Now what am I going to do. Oh the humanity!

Looks like you have been replaced.

 

[Brobzoid]

fix plx

 

[probune]

Looks like they didn't upload it. That's weird.

 

[imastalker co.]

who else is on the show?

 

[Gowans]

its up!

 

[homez99]

Nvm, stealth edit made to OP so all's good.

 

[egmfan89]

I've been updating my podcast section on itunes for a while this afternoon, and it just went up. EGM live is my second favorite 1up podcast (with GFW being the best), and I actually like it more than 1up yours. Can't wait to listen to it.

 

[nubbe]

Woha, they brought back mating from Pokemon Gold and Silver to Diamond and Pearl.

 

[YYZ]

Woha, they brought back mating from Pokemon Gold and Silver to Diamond and Pearl.

Is this different from the breeding in the GBA generation games?

 

[purg3]

Jaffe is going to be on an upcoming EGM Live, guaranteed entertainment.

 

[Bearillusion]

I'll probably be ridiculed for asking this but is the EGM pod cast full of swearing like the 1up podcast? I'm new to podcasts and have been listening to 1up and while I really enjoy their comments on the industry I would prefer it without the profanity. Thanks.

 

[purg3]

I'll probably be ridiculed for asking this but is the EGM pod cast full of swearing like the 1up podcast? I'm new to podcasts and have been listening to 1up and while I really enjoy their comments on the industry I would prefer it without the profanity. Thanks.

It's usually toned down quite a bit in comparison to 1up Yours.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Jen seems to have improved. She actually seems alive.

 

[Flakster99]

Like usual, enjoyed the podcast. Nice job everyone, monday morning blues and all.

 

[egmfan89]

I'll probably be ridiculed for asking this but is the EGM pod cast full of swearing like the 1up podcast? I'm new to podcasts and have been listening to 1up and while I really enjoy their comments on the industry I would prefer it without the profanity. Thanks.

Not as many f-bombs are thrown around and it's generally more wholesome.

 

[Ulairi]

Listened to the podcast and I disagree about the Wii leaving core gamers behind. Look at the released games, the vast majority are for core gamers. They have released wii play and wii sports for the casuals and that's about it. The VC has been for core gamers along with games like SPM.

I am surprised they still don't get it.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Those topics sound interesting, I'll give it a shot.

 

[teiresias]

Listened to the podcast and I disagree about the Wii leaving core gamers behind. Look at the released games, the vast majority are for core gamers. They have released wii play and wii sports for the casuals and that's about it. The VC has been for core gamers along with games like SPM.

I am surprised they still don't get it.

Meh, I think it's all perspective. I think the main issue is that while they may be providing games that aren't necessarily strictly for casuals but also are "core gamer"-centric the problem lies in the fact that they essentially aren't new "core gamer" experiences due to the console technology.

If "core gamers" want "core gamer" games they want experiences that the 360 and PS3 can provide by upping the aesthetic and immersive factor of such games - otherwise you're just playing games with last-gen graphics. Stuff like Mario Galaxy may turn the tide, where it should look nicer than alot of Wii stuff, but having been designed around the Wiimote it might have controls intuitive enough that it, along with it being mario, can be a game embraced by both the casual and core gamer set on the Wii.

 

[Vyse The Legend]

MEGATON: MGS4 still coming this year? YES PLEASE.

 

[Brak]

I am NOT surprised they still don't get it.

Fixed.

EGM/1UP doesn't want to get it. Get over it.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Jennifer's bitter tears over her sister the mommyblogger getting a free Wii from Nintendo while she got zilch are the best part IMHO

:lol

 

[Drensch]

Complaints against Ziff on the Wii are pretty much outlined by this podcast. They bitch about lack of software, but it's fairly obvious that no one has even played anything outside of Zelda and Wii sports.

When they mention SSX blur it's always "Skip played that" , never "Yeah I agree with what Skip said about it, because when I played it..." It always seems like they haven't really played anything other than the big 2. They mentioned Godfather on 1up yours, but no one could actually speak about how it played. Even the much maligned Red Steel, for which there are perfectly valid reasons to dislike, their complaints often seem to be based on something other than their actual play experience. So on and so forth. It's one thing for Skip to say he didn't like SSX, but it's another thing for everyone else to say they don't like SSX or the Wii's line up, when it seems like no one has played anything other than Wii Sports and Zelda.

I'd be interested how many people and how much of the Wii line up they have actually played.And whether or not their opinion of the Wii line up is based on actual play. They give the impression that very little of it actually is.

 

[Pokeylongo]

Meh, I think it's all perspective. I think the main issue is that while they may be providing games that aren't necessarily strictly for casuals but also are "core gamer"-centric the problem lies in the fact that they essentially aren't new "core gamer" experiences due to the console technology.

If "core gamers" want "core gamer" games they want experiences that the 360 and PS3 can provide by upping the aesthetic and immersive factor of such games - otherwise you're just playing games with last-gen graphics. Stuff like Mario Galaxy may turn the tide, where it should look nicer than alot of Wii stuff, but having been designed around the Wiimote it might have controls intuitive enough that it, along with it being mario, can be a game embraced by both the casual and core gamer set on the Wii.

I think it's very arguable that graphics really separate core gamers and casual gamers. First, what gamer wouldn't want the best graphics in their games? It's a matter of who's willing to spend the money for better graphics. Second, before Wii and DS, the industry was way more targeted at core gamers beside occasional casual hits like The Sims (which could still qualify as a game for core gamers), and graphics weren't really indicative of sales. Gameplay counts for something even more among core gamers than casuals.

Wii offers a very broad range of games on both the store shelves and the virtual console. It's far more broad than the competing systems. Just because core gamers aren't the only focus doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of content for them (even at this early stage).

 

[dirtmonkey37]

I don't understand why Shane and co. still insist on calling the 360's lineup "only shooters" and magnifies a falsehood that future 360 games will remain in the "shooter" category.

Honestly, I do not want to sound like those "BUT OMG SHANEZZ YOU FORGET TEH ____ " or "SHANEZZ LOOKZ AT DIS GAMEZ" but I'm going to have to resort to that.

Exclusive AAA games available/soon-to-be-available on the 360 that are not shooters; PC/360 games are included:

1. Dead Rising
2. PGR3
3. DOA4
4. Viva Pinata (remember, this is not a "best sellers" list)
5. Oblivion
6. Alan Wake (not that I know of, but if it is, don't murder me)
7. Too Human
8. Mass Effect (take this as you may)
9. Blue Dragon
10. Lost Odyssey
11. Banjo Kazooie
12. PGR4
13. Forza 2
14. Fable 2
15. Eternal Sonata
16. Marvel MMO
17. Ace Combat 6
18. C&C3

Racing, RPG, Action, Platformer/Younger-Audience-Oriented Titles, Strategy, Flight Sim, Fighting -- they're all accounted for. But that's not taking third parties into account --a major part of Microsoft's plan to make a machine that appeals to all types of individuals.

Those are just a few, but the assumption that Microsoft's platform has and will continue to have shooters along with the argument that "Microsoft is content to stay in the hardcore gamer realm and doesn't want to expand like its competitors" is simply asinine.

Just scroll a few threads down; even THQ is commending Microsoft for their efforts in trying to appease all demographics.

 

[Ulairi]

Meh, I think it's all perspective. I think the main issue is that while they may be providing games that aren't necessarily strictly for casuals but also are "core gamer"-centric the problem lies in the fact that they essentially aren't new "core gamer" experiences due to the console technology.

If "core gamers" want "core gamer" games they want experiences that the 360 and PS3 can provide by upping the aesthetic and immersive factor of such games - otherwise you're just playing games with last-gen graphics. Stuff like Mario Galaxy may turn the tide, where it should look nicer than alot of Wii stuff, but having been designed around the Wiimote it might have controls intuitive enough that it, along with it being mario, can be a game embraced by both the casual and core gamer set on the Wii.

I disagree with the belief that core gamers can only be served by upping the graphics. I think a better UI makes games more imperssive. Zelda is a core game. SPM is a core game.

The VC games are for the core and lapsed gamer. Games like Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Resident evil are for the core gamer. I think what is hurting the Wii most is that 3rd parties were caught flat footed with how huge of a success it has been. They were not expecting this. They were not ready.

 

[a Master Ninja]

What I learned from the podcast:

We need to get people to buy the crappy 360s still stuck in the retail channel so the quiter, more stable Xbox 360s finally get made and released.

 

[Brak]

What I learned from the podcast:

We need to get people to buy the crappy 360s still stuck in the retail channel so the quiter, more stable Xbox 360s finally get made and released.

MS: sure we'll give you those better 360s - Psych! - Here's an Elite system for all you HARDCORE GAMERS!

 

[schuelma]

You can smell the fear of the Wii in the first 5 minutes of this podcast. :lol :lol


I see why they would be afraid...but Nintendo has plenty of hardcore games coming out to satisfy them.

 

[JDSN]

Jennifer's bitter tears over her sister the mommyblogger getting a free Wii from Nintendo while she got zilch are the best part IMHO

:lol

"Jennifer said...

This post has been removed by a blog administrator.
1:15 PM"

:lol Bitter tears.

 

[Mrbob]

Wait till GTA4 and Halo 3.

Casuals will jump in. Or MS is fuxxed.

The GFW radio ad is hilarious.

 

[Zombie James]

Sounds like an entertaining episode, but for some reason I can't imagine Jen saying anything negative about the Wii

 

[KINGMOKU]

The whole start to the podcast about the Wii was pathetic. Nintendo knows what made them successfull, and will never stop making the games that the hardcore/nintendo fans love. They still make playing cards after over a hundred years.

Alarmist's, the whole bunch I swear.


:lol Good grief.

 

[Pokeylongo]

The whole start to the podcast about the Wii was pathetic. Nintendo knows what made them successfull, and will never stop making the games that the hardcore/nintendo fans love. They still make playing cards after over a hundred years.

Alarmist's, the whole bunch I swear.

Good point if I ever saw one. That's pretty damn hardcore in a way.

 

[schuelma]

The whole start to the podcast about the Wii was pathetic. Nintendo knows what made them successfull, and will never stop making the games that the hardcore/nintendo fans love. They still make playing cards after over a hundred years.

Alarmist's, the whole bunch I swear.


:lol Good grief.

One interesting thing was Shane was very clear that he thought the Wii was going to "win" this generation sales wise. What struck me as interesting about that comment is that on 1up he never said anything of the sort. Maybe intimidated by GAF's favorite 1up guy?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Jennifer Tsao looks and sounds cute

 

[Linkup]

What they say is pretty true, you just gotta kick you inner fanboy a little to understand that.

 

[probune]

One interesting thing was Shane was very clear that he thought the Wii was going to "win" this generation sales wise. What struck me as interesting about that comment is that on 1up he never said anything of the sort. Maybe intimidated by GAF's favorite 1up guy?

I recall that he's said things to the same effect on 1upyours before.

Still don't get people come out in force hating on 1up/egm/etc whenever they talk about the Wii. It's perfectly fine to be afraid that third parties will jump on the Wii Sports/Play bandwagon and start releasing games like that to cater to the huge fanbase of people that bought those games while leaving hardcores behind.

 

[BorkBork]

I like how they hated that Nintendo is still driving the demand up by marketing while they are selling out their supply. Shame on you Nintendo for making a smart marketing move!

 

[milkham]

what are you wii fanboys playing then if you think the ziff dudes are ignoring all the awesome games?

 

[InterMoniker]

Why do you wanna talk about Doom it's 20 years old? :lol That part was great

Shane and Bryan are the shit.

Shipped=Sold Wow

ACHIEVEMENT WHORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: Jenifer Tsao is on some kinda of pills I swear.

They're talking about the 360 over shipping and being passed up by the Wii this November and She starts talking about save systems in games like Dead Rising?????????? WTF

 

[Owzers]

what are you wii fanboys playing then if you think the ziff dudes are ignoring all the awesome games?

I don't know what they are playing but i can guarantee you it's amazing due to Wii controls.

 

[Brak]

what are you wii fanboys playing then if you think the ziff dudes are ignoring all the awesome games?

Super Paper Mario just ****ing came out...... WTF. That's the whole irony of the podcast.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

just some points, weren't they ripping on the 360 last year this time for it's lack of games? I mean every system has this launch lull. Also I think the success of a game like Zelda shows that action, and adventure style games can still be done on Wii and be successful. Hopefully RE4 and Treasure Planet Z both do well on it as well and really drive that home. I'm really just not getting why people think the Wii being successful is going to kill traditional gaming. There's no more chance of that then the 360 being successful and killing off all gaming that isn't shooters or sandbox games. Personally I really liked Zelda on the Wii and was quite happy with the controls, and RE4 looks to make great use of the Wii controls, I really just don't see why people think you can't have those style games on the system. Personally I would love to see a God of War style, or Devil May Cry style game on the system, I think it would be a lot of fun if done well, like Zelda or RE4.

 

[probune]

Super Paper Mario just ****ing came out...... WTF. That's the whole irony of the podcast.

But they didn't ignore that game. They talked about that game for quite some time.

What games are they IGNORING, as in not paying any attention to on the podcast?

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

More Wii trolling? Yipee.
Seriously, the 1up/EGM need to move past this already.
Especially Brian - the guy pushes across the same ****ing viewpoint in every podcast he's appeared in.

 

[McBacon]

This is supposed to be my thread. This is the only thing I look foward to every week, posting the EGM Live link. Now what am I going to do. Oh the humanity!

 

[Hy_]

11:57 Jen: "I wouldn't call myself a hardcore gamer."

Kick the ***** out.