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[statham]

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

 

[Orayn]

So if this is true, which one is better 3.5 of GDR5 or 5GB GDDR3 assuming this is what ends up being used for gaming?

They each come with their own challenges, but I'd argue that the GDDR5 has the upper hand in all but the most exorbitant games.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

This is actually really impressive. BF3 visuals at 1080p60 with a low power draw? See you on the hype train!

 

[Karak]

3GB for the OS sounds insane. It must be have some integrated Twitch streaming or some shit.

The last target was fucking 1:1.5. So if it is 3 now. Either they way way way overshot their target. Or the Durango is running the most bloated OS known to console kind x2 + another random OS just for the fun of it.

Then again after reading the way this was written. It has a lot of caveats that point to them not actually knowing a ton of stuff.

 

[BloodMoney]

Give me the ability to OC the PS4 durango (even if it voids the warranty) please!

 

[sajj316]

So if this is true, which one is better 3.5 of GDR5 or 5GB GDDR3 assuming this is what ends up being used for gaming?

That's what I want to know .. or is it a toss up?

 

[Cronq]

I'm not the smartest, or most informed, but Durango design seems like a juiced up Wii U.

Will this design architecture similarity help Wii U and hurt Orbis?

 

[LTWood12]

 

[pharmboy044]

Very low RAM for OS. WTF Sony, you're gonna have another cross game chat issue next gen. Don't you learn?

 

[grimshawish]

3GB is the amount of RAM that Durango supposedly reserves for its OS.

Ah okay yeah that's fucked up and a waste.
Thought they meant orbis-OS.

Durango could be slower with comparable RAM and a heavy OS.
Pretty much what 2000 MS would release, it all seems odd.

 

[Clay Davis]

3GB for the OS seems really high, there must me something else. PC W8 requires <1GB after boot.

could it be that they need that much ram so you can have full access to the os even when you're gaming?

 

[sTeLioSco]

aegis shows how "informed" you are again if its 8 cores in ps4 !

 

[Mad_Ban]

Given those RAM differentials I can see a situation where (if true), the Durango can run multiple apps whilst in-game and have something like a "sleep" mode for games. While the PS4 would be more along the lines of a conventional console OS.

 

[Sid]

PS4 is gonna be a BEAST! can't wait.

 

[JaggedSac]

The 3.5 of much faster ram seems like a better deal for games than 5 of the slower ram. Even esram can't offset that much.

 

[kadotsu]

No idea which apps would require that amount of data but we know nothing of the system yet, so who knows what they do with it (iftrue).

One legitimate feature could be a "replay and save the last 15 minutes of gameplay" button for the youtube socialites.

 

[BloodMoney]

Just purchased some SNE on NYSE

 

[sajj316]

Very low RAM for OS. WTF Sony, you're gonna have another cross game chat issue next gen. Don't you learn?

Wasn't a problem with the 360 and it's 512 MB of total RAM ..

 

[shinobi602]

But what about the GPU?

I'm running a 7970m.
If the PS4 has an underclocked version. Wouldn't that be kinda disappointing?

But remember:

"Freed from Windows and incorporated into a fixed console design, this GPU will really have room to show us what it's truly capable of."

 

[Lonely1]

So if this is true, which one is better 3.5 of GDR5 or 5GB GDDR3 assuming this is what ends up being used for gaming?

Strengths and weakness in different areas. However, the article mentions that the NextBox will also have an unspecified amount of EDRAM which can changes things.

 

[WalkMan]

That custom chip is sounding a lot like a co-processor for floating point stuff, it seems. Fits with AMD's "Fusion" philosophy, and could potentially fill the role of what Cell's SPUs were used for. (Give up on backwards compatibility, though.)

Should be cheap enough to include a Cell/RSX chip onboard

 

[Wynnebeck]

Wasn't a problem with the 360 and it's 512 MB of total RAM ..

Exactly. It's actually interesting to see what Sony can do with only 512 MB of RAM. How much RAM did it take for the Vita's OS?

 

[Karak]

could it be that they need that much ram so you can have full access to the os even when you're gaming?

Honestly. 3gigs indicates a problem with the designers. They were UNDER that target as recently as a couple months ago.
So...ya. Not 100% believing that they suddenly lost a gig.

 

[Curufinwe]

aegis shows how "informed" you are again if its 8 cores in ps4 !

Who is the "you" in this sentence?

 

[derFeef]

One legitimate feature could be a "replay and save the last 15 minutes of gameplay" button for the youtube socialites.

Dunno, it keeps coming up. I personally would have absolute no use for it .. so *shrug*

 

[Tunin]

Uow, this is tight! My plans on buying a new PC are gone right now.

We just need the price, that's it.

 

[Clay Davis]

Windows RT is ARM. Microsoft is probably going for a stronger persistent OS approach - more features running simultaneously.

you're right. I hope game recording and in game video chat is among those features.

 

[Biggzy]

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

I believe it lies somewhere in between them.

 

[Kun Aguero]

Sounds good!

This supposed, "bespoke GPU-like "Compute" module" intrigues me.

 

[Concept17]

3gb reserved for the os in durango seems unnecessarily excessive. I wonder what it will be used for.

is it too much to hope for that some of that will be used for recording gameplay and uploading clips to youtube?

win8 apps

 

[Auto_aim1]

Very low RAM for OS. WTF Sony, you're gonna have another cross game chat issue next gen. Don't you learn?

512MB is more than enough. I don't think it will be an issue for cross game chat.

 

[WalkMan]

you're right. I hope game recording and in game video chat is among those features.

I think one thing they'll go for is a persistant Kinect connection, so your in-game video chat through Skype is valid

 

[Lonely1]

512MB is more than enough. I don't think it will be an issue for cross game chat.

Enough for what?

 

[VariantX]

Honestly. 3gigs indicates a problem with the designers. They were UNDER that target as recently as a couple months ago.
So...ya. Not 100% believing that they suddenly lost a gig.

Could be that they want to add quite a bit of stuff to it in the future so its there just in case. They'll probably give back whatever they don't use to gaming down the line anyway.

 

[grimshawish]

Strengths and weakness in different areas. However, the article mentions that the NextBox will also have an unspecified amount of EDRAM which can changes things.

Going off spec, surely this all adds up to MS adding costs just to back a 3GB OS?

 

[Orayn]

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

Go here and choose "Show Desktop and Mobile GPUs" from the first drop-down menu, then click "Restrict."

Looks like it's a bit worse than a desktop 7870. Not sure how it compares to the desktop 7850 since they don't have benchmarks for that one.

 

[Anth0ny]

Gonna need some dragon ball z comparisons

 

[FrankT]

So if 3GB is right for next Xbox then something else must have been off in that VG247 article(at least according to two folks from that thread with insight). Me hopes it is the ram and not the configuration either.

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

Bit under GTX 660

 

[Thoraxes]

Pretty disappointing all around. I thought they'd be actual powerhouses compared to what we can already see on other platforms now.

 

[anddo0]

Disappointing to who? I want to know who out there really thought Durango and Orbis were going to be anywhere near comparable to highend pc on paper.

Getting my hopes up. I guess

how does a 7970m stack up to a 7850/7870?

I believe it lies somewhere in between them.

The 7970M is a desktop HD 7870 with 7850 clocks.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Devon get the table!!!

 

[Derrick01]

Enough for what?

Cross game chat. The person he quoted was complaining that they'd run into the issue they ran into this gen with not being able to have cross game chat, but 360 can support 8 person chat just fine with 512mb of total RAM.

 

[Clay Davis]

Honestly. 3gigs indicates a problem with the designers. They were UNDER that target as recently as a couple months ago.
So...ya. Not 100% believing that they suddenly lost a gig.

2gb makes a lot more sense. 1gb for the os and 1gb for kinect. I assume 1gb would be enough to allow for full os access during gameplay?

 

[iNvid02]

 

[Insane Metal]

So if this is true, which one is better 3.5 of GDR5 or 5GB GDDR3 assuming this is what ends up being used for gaming?

Pretty sure 3.5GB DDR5 is better. If Durango actually has 2 Cores and 3GB reserved for the OS, Orbis might actually be quite a bit better.

 

[sTeLioSco]

Enough for what?

video chat,switch between applications and ofcourse cross game chat
and more ofcourse.

now they use 40mbs.......

 

[grimshawish]

Pretty disappointing all around. I thought they'd be actual powerhouses compared to what we can already see on other platforms now.

Then you were crazy.

 

[gaming_noob]

Who is the "you" in this sentence?

He's referring to the Polygon journalist "aegis" who posts here. sTeLioSco has some sort of personal vendetta against him.

 

[Globox_82]

I am not buying 3GB for OS in Durango, MS would not make a mistake like that and lose 3GB, unless they have extra RAM and won't use anything from 8GB on OS

 

[SolidSnakex]

Very low RAM for OS. WTF Sony, you're gonna have another cross game chat issue next gen. Don't you learn?

They have the right idea. They should be spending as little ram as possible on the OS.