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[EuroGamer] Eiji Aonuma on how The Legend of Zelda made the Switch
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Koizumi would have to demote himself to take over Zelda. He is a General Manager (along with Eguchi) while Aonuma is a Group Manager.
Koizumi manages several teams and is "general / senior producer" while Aonuma manages the Zelda team and is "[main] producer".
RawmeatCowboy of GoNintendo did a very brief mention on his experience with rumble and BotW during this past weekend's podcast (webisode 596 on youtube, around the 13:45 mark).
At one point, he was playing and died in a mud bog. He says that as Link was sinking into the murky waters, you could feel the pop of bubbles in the controller. He repeated this a few times to verify it.
At one point, he was playing and died in a mud bog. He says that as Link was sinking into the murky waters, you could feel the pop of bubbles in the controller. He repeated this a few times to verify it.
Only speculation.
RichiRamjag
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It probably doesn't matter. Someone would have taken issue with it no matter how they handled the character in the past.
THIS is one of the two main reasons. I work as a graphic designer in a company that handles licenses in merchandising, mainly clothes and accessories. When we get Disney, Nickelodeon or CN brands, they send a bunch a document pages detailing character specific attributes and details, so we don't screw up how they are portrayed and how they look. This companies spend a lot of effort to make sure their characters are perceive in a consisten manner across all media.
We know Nintendo does this aswell: There's documentation detailing Mario's personality, saying he is benevolent because of his adventures and travels. This is the same document were we learned of T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas's true name,
So there's branding restriction/tradition build across more than 25 years of Zelda games. Is not just "make a color pallet" "add longer hair and boobs".
Which brings me to my second reason. Would Lara Croft be the same is you added a beard and pectorals? Obviously no. Because she has mannerisms and animations according to her personality and character. And so does Link. They would essentially need to do two characters: double animations, voices, collisions? hit points?
What if Female Link is slender? Smaller? So in a cutscene they would also need to model, rigged and render two completely different scenes, for every cutscene.
The level of detail in Link as a character doesn't make room for Animal Crossing or Pokémon levels of prefered avatar.
Thank you!
Kacho
Member
I find it fascinating how people saw Zelda crying in the trailer as her being weak.
Aonuma sounds like he's sighing with relief that he didn't have to focus on using the Wii U gamepad when the Switch version went into development. I can't blame him and I'm glad as a player we can just focus on one screen without all of the gimmicks.
Aonuma sounds like he's sighing with relief that he didn't have to focus on using the Wii U gamepad when the Switch version went into development. I can't blame him and I'm glad as a player we can just focus on one screen without all of the gimmicks.
You probably don't, that's precisely the point. Part of making a videogame is understanding what works for the player or not.
How realistic things should be to avoid gameplay problems and frustration and how what the players want or think they want isn't always (or usually) what they would end up liking.
Weltall Zero
Member
That is amazing. And yes, physics systems are a nightmare to predict and debug. This is a rare example of a perceived problem being caused by the physics system actually doing what it should!
Excellently put, this is the other part of why I'm always somewhat wary of physics systems. The one thing that makes BotW exciting is that Nintendo is not the kind of company to bother with physics systems because for them, polish and feel is paramount, and physics systems very rarely cooperate with either. So the amount of work that must have gone into testing, polishing and tweaking must have been positively staggering.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Goodness... People saw Zelda crying and picked on it? Why on earth? Traumatizing things cause people to weep. Sheesh.
Great interview though. I love the fact that they really care about the broader context in making each area feel connected and part of a whole.
Great interview though. I love the fact that they really care about the broader context in making each area feel connected and part of a whole.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I don't know how you came to that conclusion...
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Well, yes, but that specific behavior was clearly unwanted and subsequently fixed. You're not gonna see that happening.
I wonder what Koizumi feels about F-Zero
Some are absolutely adamant in the belief that the Switch version sports downgraded graphics due to how Nintendo made some lighting changes in the resurrection chamber
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Why? It'll obviously come to Switch AND Nintendo Next Console simultaneously and it'll be (barely?) superior on the latter anyway...
Why? It'll obviously come to Switch AND Nintendo Next Console simultaneously and it'll be (barely?) superior on the latter anyway...
If Switch is the format going forward, by next gen mobile soc's will have advanced enough for it to be a bigger leap forward than Wii U -> Switch was
If Switch is the format going forward, by next gen mobile soc's will have advanced enough for it to be a bigger leap forward than Wii U -> Switch was
Alright, fuck it. Let's crank the hype train back up
To add to this: they compare a 8 month old demo to another demo build wich we don't know of how recent that is. Untill the game has gone gold or is out we don't and can't know whats true lets wait for a real digital foundry analys before judging either version of the games.
One thing to note tho HD rumble could be a pretty big extra if they use it right. It's confirmed to be in.
Spiral Insanity
Banned
How on earth...
megabytecr
Member
I was looking for impressions about HD Rumble but just 12 Switch obviously and ARMS as far as I know were using it, but maybe it is a surprise for later on switch.
Neoleo2143
Member
Where have I heard this line about "Our Female Main character is more complex than she appears in the trailers pls be excited" before?
It's almost hilarious how this situation keeps happening with the biggest Japanese game releases this gen.
It's almost hilarious how this situation keeps happening with the biggest Japanese game releases this gen.
Flintty
Member
The hype train never stops! Choo-fucking-choo!
Always-honest
Banned
That's probably what you hope but there was no indication in that interview.
Maybe it doesn't keep happening. Maybe that's what he is saying. But you seem to be 100% sure this is a lie.
Because: you heard it before.
Okay, so no gaming company can ever have an interview anymore, never show trailers, never show gameplay segments, never show screens, etc. Because you know, there was this Ubisoft game one day and a MGSV quote the other day and well: they lied.
You COULD be right of course. But we'll just have to wait and see. And when it turns out it's bogus, that would be a good time to confront him with his quote.
kunonabi
Member
They gutted the wii u version due to the single screen of the switch so forgive me if I don't give a shit about the switch being held back.
I'll hold him to that. IMO it's impossible for her to be interesting or multi-faceted if she has no screen time. If I were to name any well developed Zelda character, they'd be characters that actually have a real presence in the game. Zelda better not be MIA for 90% of the game. -___-
Neoleo2143
Member
Look, I'm unbelievably hyped for the game. But frankly, this same scenario has occurred 3 times thus far. It's just really funny to point out especially after how Luna and Quiet turned out to be rather vapid overall. I do think Zelda will rise above those other games in terms of making a good character. Because in terms of Tact, Zelda has almost always been at the top of its game.
At least we know she appears at least 6 or so times in the game which is probably more screen time than the other characters who've suffered.
SweetDonuts
Member
I thought it'd be common sense to not view that 2 seconds of Zelda crying as how she is throughout the game, but I'm glad Aonuma cleared it up.
Always-honest
Banned
I understand. It's hard not to be cynical these days.
There is no belief, it is irrefutable that lighting changes were made and certain lighting effects are missing. That is all. Whether this is a real downgrade or just an issue in the build they used remains to be seen. And I don't recall anyone seriously believing that the Wii U version would retain these effects and lighting while the Switch would not. Anyone with a bit of sense would know that the far more likely situation, really the only possibility, is that if it's missing from one version it will be missing from both.
But as it stands right now with the information we have these elements were present in the Wii U build and missing from the Switch build. I'm optimistic it's just a bug in the build, not an outright downgrade. But right now all we have is the footage to go by. So until we get more footage or the final game it's an unanswered question.
MrSaturn99
Member
I was, uh, unaware this was a thing. We don't even know the context behind that scene!
Glad Aonuma agrees with me on that.
Not on accident anyway. Now I'm sure there is going to be a high wind advisory location in the game. If Link pops open his paraglider at the wrong time, he might get blown off of a mountain.
I always found it hilarious that even if a female character is strong and does lots of important stuff in the story, the moment she cries or gets kidnapped, all her accomplishments somehow vanish.
To me, this seems much more sexist and two-dimensional than having a strong female character cry.
To me, this seems much more sexist and two-dimensional than having a strong female character cry.
Looks like he got promoted so he won´t fiddle with games anymore because of super mario galaxy? I hope not, let this guy make a new Zelda. 2D or 3D I don´t care, just let him make him a game, which don´t need to put out in a year.
LegendofLex
Member
Isn't he still helming Mario Odyssey, though?
Well in this case we've seen nothing of the former, only the latter. They shouldn't be crucified for it since we haven't seen the entire game but I don't see anything wrong with a little eye rolling when that is the scene they chose to highlight.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Probably the same way Miyamoto was "helming" Pikmin 3. Senior General Executive Producer. Koichi Hayashida is likely the direct Mario Odyssey Producer while Koizumi is like Senior General Producer or some mess like that.
Yeah, but I wouldn't describe some people's reactions as "a little eye rolling", which is unjustified in any case.
Distresssss
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I wish people would keep their gender politics out of my games.
Characters in Nintendo games have operated the same way for basically forever. They can have a natural evolution over time but just because people lose their shit over nothing doesn't mean that we can't have Zelda cry because her city just got destroyed while Link and herself are presumably on the run.
Characters in Nintendo games have operated the same way for basically forever. They can have a natural evolution over time but just because people lose their shit over nothing doesn't mean that we can't have Zelda cry because her city just got destroyed while Link and herself are presumably on the run.
Marin and Midna get through the entire game without getting kidnapped, why does Zelda have to? It's more so the lack of originality as to how the plot progression goes. I mean...Marin was still a love interest and everything but she still managed to break the cliche. Same for Midna I guess, but she didn't have to get kidnapped because no-show Zelda did that for her.
Remember when Twilight Princess was being hyped and they were all like "Ganondorf will appear...but in a way you'd never guess!" And it turns out he just kind of shows up at the end for no reason and fights you. It's one of those unfortunate scenarios.
It feels lazy. It has turned into so much of a gripe, that I wish they'd take Zelda and Ganon(dorf) out of the series for a while in order to do something else.
I just hope they don't decide to go the obvious route. It'd like to actually be surprised for once.
I remember having this discussion with you before, so I'll keep it brief
Zelda being kidnapped or needing to be rescued is obviously a staple of the series, it's not a matter of originality, it's a matter of keeping that tradition, that fairy tale cliché and that parallelism. I thought this was made very obvious with the emphasis on "you must rescue my daughter" or whatever in the latest BotW trailer. You are free not to like it of course.
Ganondorf is foreshadowed and shown much, much before the final fight. His lack of presence is as it always was because he has always been a puppet master and a goal to reach, not a regular presence like Ghirahim. As with many things regarding Zelda stories, people seem to miss a lot.
Oh and TP Zelda wasn't kidnapped, she swallowed her pride and surrendered herself to save the life of her kingdom's citizens and later sacrificed her magic or life force or whatever to save Midna. Which is kind of the same thing in a way, but the context of her altruism puts it into a different light.
You can focus on a few points that are series' staples that you don't like and keep wishing they go away, but that doesn't mean there isn't a whole lot more surrounding Zelda that has always been changing. She has always been a fighter and had an active role in the story in every single 3D Zelda except for MM, because she only makes a tiny appearance.
Oh and Marin is kidnapped at the end of the game too, just like Zelda in every 3D game.
Koizumi is a story nut. He's the guy who gave the NPCs in MM all their little backstories.
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