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Fan asks Spencer for backwards compat, Spencer pats fan on head and says he supports
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Metallix87
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While 360 would likely be difficult, isn't OG Xbox a real possibility?
Spencer's just going with the flow there. There's no gain in him saying that there won't be any BC on their system and he won't be misleading or lying with political answers like that.
BC is always a nice addition though, and any form of it on the Xbone would be great for fans.
BC is always a nice addition though, and any form of it on the Xbone would be great for fans.
I am not suggesting a hardware add on, I am saying it is more than technically feasible without emulation.
Launch BC PS3s were outrageously priced. If Microsoft wants to regain market share they need to do something drastic. The price cut only brings them in line with the PS4. Beating Sony to backwards compatibility and having it be native and not streaming is a great selling point. It would also bridge the initial launch game drought.
That would be nice. One of the main reasons for picking a 360 instead of a PS3 was to play the old OG Xbox games I missed out on. Sure I've played most of them now, but there were some that weren't compatible that I'd like to play.
But then again Sony need to open the doors for loads of PS2 Classics, and Nintendo needs to do the same for Gamecube games!
It would bit it is very difficult. Often eliminates features such as online play. Reduces frame rate if the new processor is not capable enough.
Hey_Blinkin
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Assuming this is disc backwards compatibility and not just digital purchases (I'm not even sure there's a difference) it would definitely sway me towards picking one up. It's really the only thing I can think of other than a couple good exclusive rpgs like Lost Odyssey that would cause me to buy an Xbox One.
Huh?
sindbadthesailor
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Lack of backward compatibility in current gen consoles (well aside from the Wii U and 3DS) is a big reason why I'm not even considering upgrading any time soon.
And without question, they've hurt sales of the PS4, Vita and probably the Xone. .
And without question, they've hurt sales of the PS4, Vita and probably the Xone. .
Though isn't he head of Xbox now?
So he has a lot more power now than he used to.
These things take time.
If we did get backwards compatibility it would happen in a year or two.
Though it will most likely be like the PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS3.
muzzymate
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I've also been trumpeting a hardware addon, discless Xbox 360 that when connected to an Xbox One with USB, does almost exactly what you are saying (minus the TV tuner). My thought is only have connect with USB, by essentially adding a second "HDMI input" to the Xbox One over USB. When in standalone mode, it's a download only 360 or can play streams of Xbox One games, like a Vita TV.
Microsoft has to find a way to stop the bleed from Xbox 360 users to PS4 and having some sort of backwards compatibility solution could sway some potential buyers.
Triggerhappytel
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The Xbone had a vision... which was rejected by the mass market. Phil is now trying to clean up and make the core tenets of the console as close to the 360 as possible, which is what most informed consumers want. He's got an ongoing uphill struggle though while it sells worse than the PS4 and with almost a year of negative PR behind it, compared to 18 months of right moves on Sony's part. So to be fair I understand why he would turn into a Yes Man, although I agree that it does seem kind of false. He just needs to muzzle all the other execs like Harrison, Mehdi and Hyrb, as they always seem to say the wrong things or piss people off.
qa_engineer
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Its definitely feasible you just need to write really good software, which may or may not require an army of software engineers.
feint_ruled
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Software emulation is the only option open to them (short of some sort of external pluggable mini-360 like was actually rumoured once). But it's hard.
Just because he agrees with it doesn't mean it would make business sense to put resources into doing it.
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He didn't promise anything he just read it.
molnizzle
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Not with the Xbone's CPU, no.
rokkerkory
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Are you kidding, you have not seen changes since he become head of Xbox literally like only 2 months ago?
If you expect widespread changes in tools, people and culture overnight you're very naive.
Fox Mulder
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I doubt anything happens with BC now, especially since Sony proved you can just sell HD collections. I wish they'd just make some kind of HD-DVD drive sized addon that enables it though.
I've still got a backlog and it would be nice to be able to put up the 360 and still play them. I'm currently playing Conker Live and Reloaded on my 360, which is a fantastic game that doesn't require me to dig out the giant xbox.
The games they're showing off now were likely in the pipes before any of the xb1 struggles. The console is selling worse than they want so it gets price adjustments, and Sony's competition led them to drop the goddamn awful Gold requirement for apps like netflix. I think it's still too early to attribute all this to one guy, especially since he's was in control of MS Studios for years during a time when all people did was complain about their output.
the shift in PR tone is massive though.
I've still got a backlog and it would be nice to be able to put up the 360 and still play them. I'm currently playing Conker Live and Reloaded on my 360, which is a fantastic game that doesn't require me to dig out the giant xbox.
The games they're showing off now were likely in the pipes before any of the xb1 struggles. The console is selling worse than they want so it gets price adjustments, and Sony's competition led them to drop the goddamn awful Gold requirement for apps like netflix. I think it's still too early to attribute all this to one guy, especially since he's was in control of MS Studios for years during a time when all people did was complain about their output.
the shift in PR tone is massive though.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Did we read the same twitter exchange?
Read the post he quoted. Basically a dump post to mock a dumb post.
ValeYard
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Hey, this build video might be helpful for the discussion. Emulation of 360 comes up in the Q&A at 57:40.
Basically, it is stated that emulation of Power PC on X86 architecture is "really hard," there are some plans, but nothing concrete to announce at the time of recording.
Basically, it is stated that emulation of Power PC on X86 architecture is "really hard," there are some plans, but nothing concrete to announce at the time of recording.
twinturbo2
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I didn't think this whole thing through...
Is this "tales from my ass" or do you have an idea?
For those who don't know the perils of software emulation, this is a great read. Accuracy takes power: one mans 3GHz quest to build a perfect SNES emulator
LittleJohnny
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pete_clarf
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HD-DVD add-on that also plays 360 games. And regular XBox games.
Iorv3th
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They can't even make an emulator on PC that will run OG Xbox games. Not saying it can't be done, but I wouldn't bet on them doing it.
captmcblack
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No way they'll put real 360 BC in the XB1. They didn't even get BC right for OG Xbox on the 360 (and gave up that project midway into the console's life anyway).
Maybe you'll be able to download 360 classics, though.
Maybe you'll be able to download 360 classics, though.
Xbox 360 has limited emulation of Xbox games and that was with a totally different CPU/GPU architecture.
3rdamention
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Nice one.
Hawk269
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Where does he say he promises anything and in particular this? He may agree with everything, but if you can point me to where he said he promised it that would be nifty!
makingmusic476
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If it's not possible, it seems kinda fucked to tell people to keep pushing for it.
If it's not possible, of course. Which is something I'll assume until it's announced.
If it's not possible, of course. Which is something I'll assume until it's announced.
Worthintendo
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If they made the Xbox One Backwards compat, I'd go out and buy one ASAP, its one of the main sticking points for me at the moment.
rokkerkory
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Don't know what you're seeing but all I have seen is change in last few months. Being head of xbox still meant he was under the terrible Mattrick which was all about financials and sales not about games and people. That's what Phil is about, you can read his tweets and his interviews and you will get that understanding. A simple example is Phil actually reading and responding to tweets, you don't really get that from an Exec these days do you. Then there's plenty of other things that has happened in just 2 months since he was named xbox boss.
Yeah it's still early to say X1 will be saved and all that, but if there's anyone to do it, it's Phil.
McBradders
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For me it would change pretty much everything. Here's hoping.
ScriptedReality
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I'd buy one an xb1 if it had backwards compatibility
Welp, it didn't take long for Phil fatigue to start up here.
Srs bizness up in here now, can't doubt the lord and saviour of Xbox.
It's a joke about how he agrees with everything these days, you do realise you can't promise someone the world? It's impossible.
It's a joke about how he agrees with everything these days, you do realise you can't promise someone the world? It's impossible.
Fox Mulder
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making a perfect emulator is quite different than just making something that runs games. Nintendo's VC output is slow because they are quite picky with the quality, so each one gets attention and it's own emulator. Sony just dumps ps1 games on PSN and people are still happy with the volume. The xbox emulation on 360 is full of issues even with games that work, but stuff is still playable.
Considering every vague non-confirming but mildly positive tweet he makes is spun into a thread here, I'm surprised it hasn't happened earlier.
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