Skellig Gra
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Man, the stuff on facebook about this is just straight ignorance. I went on to facebook trending and cursed out Ted Cruz...lulz
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FCC rules broadband internet service a public utility
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Crimson_Gold
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Obama = Harry Potter
Im confused, arent these two specific things that were left out of this a la carte version of Title II?
Upsidedown Fuji
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When will this decision be felt be residential end users? I hope soon, because I really want to see what will happen.
I'm so relived this actually went through.
I'm so relived this actually went through.
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Netflix to ISPs:
Yes, unfortunately there has been a lot of misinformation floating around.
ebullientprism
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Shining Sunshine
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Has Google said anything yet? Google Fiber all over...
America's faces ;_; not Canada
Opinion of republican party plummeting even further.
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I think so and i'm looking for it
Yeah it doesn't help that the actual rules haven't been made public yet. Just going off of Wheeler's Wired article.
I wonder what the fast/slow lane stuff will do in practice. Will it actually prevent solutions like Netflix's peering or just prevent ISPs for charging for it. Or will that be considered a separate thing somehow.
Read the history of what Wheeler wanted to do.
that's all I have to say.
Edit: I wonder what the full document has in it an if it will be released to the public.
I agree.
Wheeler did say that they wouldn't release because it was a "rough draft" and that the final version would be released, but we'll have to wait and see.
Wasn't google against this?
As more and more of the old generation pass and new generations come to realize what a clusterfuck the republicans are, it makes me laugh at their future.
The young generation have too much invested in the internet to let shit like what the republicans want slide - and republicans are only falling further behind.
I mean they are going to have to reinvent themselves otherwise they will not stand a chance come future elections, right?
The young generation have too much invested in the internet to let shit like what the republicans want slide - and republicans are only falling further behind.
I mean they are going to have to reinvent themselves otherwise they will not stand a chance come future elections, right?
MrCunningham
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lol
Wait, is this real? Because god damn...
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Vicetrailia
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Thank you Obama. Thank you Democrats.
Shining Sunshine
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Uuuuh Google wanted broadband to be Tier 2 utility so they can expand google fiber using utility poles.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahha
It's even funnier because:
1. Verizon gladly invoked Title II when it worked to their advantage.
2. The only reason the FCC ruled the way it did today is because of Verizon's lawsuit that resulted in the FCC's original net neutrality rules being struck down.
lol fuck you Verizon, you shit in your bed, now go lie in it.
The only reason Google didn't campaign more was because they were scared of ISP backlash if they lost.
JinjoUnchained
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Boo-urns! So access to hentai and twitter = access to gas and running water, got it. Internet is great if used properly, but it's not a utility in my book
Hmm, my memory must be faulty, I thought I read the inverse. Good to know.
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Poltergust
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The internet is used for a lot more than that stuff.
If you think today's world can get by without it, you'd be lying to yourself.
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I can't find it but I think google's response what like luchboxes in different colors
with the words: Isn't Choice great?
with the words: Isn't Choice great?
TacticalFox88
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MrCunningham
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Oh man, the salt: http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/ass..._Statement_on_Open_Internet_Order_FINAL_1.pdf
This is classic!
Are you... Are you serious? I mean the internet is a vital and necessary part of functioning in modern society and is already considered a human right in several countries (which now have much better internet services than America).
The move to classify it as a utility is to keep a level playing field for possibly the most important invention in human history.
All offense intended your book is really bad.
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Seems like a lot of good historical information, but man... around 30 minutes in I just had to look the guy up after hearing his colored opinions.
Lo and behold, he appears to be a pretty diehard libertarian.
Boo-urns! So access to luxurious hot tub soaks and unlimited water balloon fights = access to being able to do my job and communicate with people, got it. Gas and water are great if used properly, but they're not utilities in my book.
Jacksinthe
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Salt mountain overflowing right now.
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...already-trying-to-overturn-fccs-latest-votes/
http://arstechnica.com/business/201...already-trying-to-overturn-fccs-latest-votes/
Crimson_Gold
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Ichigo wept
So did the ISP
Currently it comes with pavilions pricing and corner store quality products
toadsworth
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Getting in some great arguments on Facebook tonight.
"That's like saying cereal companies have the right to decide where their boxes go on grocery store shelves"
Because the internet is totally a grocery store, amirite?
EDIT:
Also: 'It's like saying "I invented a new type of plane. So because planes require runways to take off, I have the right to force runways anywhere and everywhere to cater to the needs of my type of plane."'
"That's like saying cereal companies have the right to decide where their boxes go on grocery store shelves"
Because the internet is totally a grocery store, amirite?
EDIT:
Also: 'It's like saying "I invented a new type of plane. So because planes require runways to take off, I have the right to force runways anywhere and everywhere to cater to the needs of my type of plane."'
JinjoUnchained
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That doesn't make it a utility necessarily. Are personal cars a utility? Healthy food? They're staples, you probably need them to keep up with the times, but no one is going to starve or freeze if they are stuck on 3G. Might be good for them to unplug for a bit and not subject their nervous system to a million pieces of information at once.
In other words, I don't see the same necessity for high speed internet that I do for heat, water, and electricity. YMMV.
We've all got our opinions, you've got yours and I respect that. My objection is how easily people call something a "human right". Things can be important or valuable without being a "human right". The very concept of a "human right" is that there are certain rights we'd have in a natural state that should be preserved when we move to a society. It's trying to have the best of both worlds, the good qualities of natural law and society at once. Freaking LTE access is not one of your natural rights you would have been born with outside of society. Hey, everyone has their opinions and I respect them, but it seems that people try to turn everything of benefit into a "human right" for some reason. I don't get it. Good thing to have <> "human right" automatically, I believe.
Face it Tiger..
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"Todays decision by the FCC to encumber broadband Internet services
with badly antiquated regulations is a radical step that presages a time
of uncertainty for consumers, innovators and investors. Over the past two
decades a bipartisan, light- touch policy approach unleashed
unprecedented investment and enabled the broadband Internet age
consumers now enjoy. "
fuck you, verizon. so making Netflix pay for it's pipes unlike everybody else is light touch?
with badly antiquated regulations is a radical step that presages a time
of uncertainty for consumers, innovators and investors. Over the past two
decades a bipartisan, light- touch policy approach unleashed
unprecedented investment and enabled the broadband Internet age
consumers now enjoy. "
fuck you, verizon. so making Netflix pay for it's pipes unlike everybody else is light touch?
EatinOlives
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Uh, isn't this 100% true anyway? Yes, cereal companies can decide if they want to stock an item in a particular store. Like...duh....
Poltergust
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I'm sure that people expressed the exact same sentiment when electricity became a public utility back in the 1930s.
Also, cars are a luxury.
Or with piped water. After all, there are wells...
Karsticles
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You can't even apply to most jobs these days without internet access.
Mr Touchdown
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I feel like someone should March up to the telcos with a 10000 strong crowd of people doing the "HA HA!" Nelson Muntz style. Justice has been done today.
EatinOlives
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Millions, if not billions, of people today manage to get by without electricity in remote corners of the world. If you ask them they won't agree that electricity is a basic necessity required for living.
Your standards for a first world country and, allegedly the most technologically advanced country in the world, are bizarre. Electricity, heat, and water are still considered luxuries in many, many parts of the world, but in the United States they're considered basic necessities. That's what separates 1st world countries from 3rd. Confusingly, you then jump back into the 3rd world country standard and say because internet is still a luxury (it isn't in the US for many, many people), that therefore the internet isn't a basic need. Internet access is required for the careers of millions of people in the US. Just because they're not literally going to starve doesn't mean it's not a necessity. And I should point out you've got a very uninformed view of the US and 1st world countries in general if your idea of necessities are "not die".
You're applying two standards at the same time. If you want to argue that the internet is technically a luxury because it's not absolutely required for staying alive, you can certainly make the same statement about electricity.
Also pay taxes and a lot of other stuff.
The fact that the only people upset about it are the ones raking in billions of dollars from it tells me all I need to know about whether this was the right thing to do.
And it happened on the day my ISP cranked up all of its customer's speed to 50Mb, too. Can't complain.
Verizon's response is rich, considering I left their internet service because they were repeatedly fucking me over while at the same time raising my rates. Sure, they're the victim here.
And it happened on the day my ISP cranked up all of its customer's speed to 50Mb, too. Can't complain.
Verizon's response is rich, considering I left their internet service because they were repeatedly fucking me over while at the same time raising my rates. Sure, they're the victim here.
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