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Female only gaming event cancelled following online harassment
- Thread starter kulapik
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Wish I could refute this, but nah. Gaming is a fucking cesspool.
Yeah, seems about right.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
I think it's fair that you'd feel that way as an ally towards women who is legitimately concerned and interested in learning about the inequity present in gaming communities.
However, you always have to account for the people that go there simply to detract and troll the event itself, such as in the case of the men in the OP trying to find loopholes to enter to cause a ruckus. There would probably be just enough that the entire purpose of the event to create a safe space for women to congregate and speak about their issues would quickly be made to be about men, yet again.
I don't blame them for taking the precautions they deem necessary to cull anything toxic towards the event at all. It gets tiring having to deal with that everyday, you always need a place to let loose and just be you without the fear of being harassed or being constantly on guard because you see someone and they may or may not be fully aware of the types of discriminations you encounter everyday.
Your anecdote is unforunately not that rare either. It's a shame.
yeah, alright, but we are talking about pre-recorded material
its not like a stream where you can troll in real time or something
btw, i think this event was directed towards female programmers afaik,
It's a difficult call when you want to create a safe event for people. You never know if that 1 in a million psycho geek is going to show up and actually do something dangerous.
No one is delusional enough to claim that women's only events are a "solution" to anything.
They are, however, the only way to avoid the kind of male-domination (and the awkwardness that follows in the presence of women) we see in most gaming events today. It's a temporary reprieve and nothing more. We all recognize that and pretending otherwise is just kind of insulting.
It's pretty shitty to have a hobby which is filled with dudes, and with, as seen with this event, a good chunk of them being misogynistic dicks.
My local comic book store advertises women only days all the time, and they're pretty successful events.
CannonFodder52
Member
Gamers are gross.
Sorry to those Spaniards who were interested in this event.
Sorry to those Spaniards who were interested in this event.
curi0usBystander
Member
Coming from Forocoches you can expect anything, though,
At best, I'd agree that I wouldn't outright label something as "Blacks-only" or "Women-only", but that's assuming in good faith that naming it "properly" wouldn't have started such an outrage, which uhh, I highly doubt would be the case. Just saying something along the lines of them wanting to lift up female gamers would still manage to get under the skin of these "gamers". The problem is them.
psychowave
Member
I mean, if you do a stream with a disabled chat, yeah. There's still a chance of disgusting pigs making porn comics of the ladies who attended the event, or flash games where you can beat them up, like it happened to Anita Sarkeesian, but who cares, right?
Darryl M R
Member
I have a genuine question.
What would stop these men from posting on the same forum about how they will show up to an event dedicated and focused on women in gaming?
From my point of view these same people are empowered to harass a women-focused event because it does not focus on them. I don't see anything changing when it is women-focused versus women-only.
Tyraniboah
Member
While I certainly would have been interested in the content of the discussions at the event, who could earnestly have a problem with a female only event? Events like this need to happen precisely because of the degenerates out there. Gaming is for everybody. Not just the juvenile man-children pulling off this harassment. I love gaming, but I have half a mind to steer my children away from it when they're old enough to start playing. I can't stand this childish behavior.
do you, like, know any people who are minorities and have been disrespected because of it?
snow in jamaica
Member
I wonder how many of the men felt excluded but somehow didn't realize something.
This is shameful once again.
To be "fair" though, the Wonder Woman women only screening got a lot of backlash too. Not sure how it worked out eventually? So let's not atleast imply that it's just gaming that has these problems. It's wider than that but gaming culture is very well represented in that regard.
Darryl M R
Member
I would argue that gaming and comic culture are very much alike.
bananafactory
Banned
It's more of a geek culture problem than just video games (see the bullshit Marvel v DC fanboyism, Star Wars, etc) but it definitely is strongest in the gaming circle.
Gaming culture is not literally the only one with these problems, but people are just deluding themselves if they think there isn't any specific things one could criticize when it comes to this culture.
Poor GRIMES
Banned
It's absolutely not just gaming. It's a problem with society as a whole, yes. But for some reason, something about nerdier communities, such as comics, gaming and tech, attracts the type of alt-right, hateful pushback against any real progress towards representation and better treatment.
ViolentP
Member
Of feeling like they are being excluded by a celebration? Sure. None silly enough to retaliate of course. Some of us try not to be motivated by ego.
I'm not entirely sure, if the amount of vitriol it provokes causes them to cancel the event. Had this not been women-only they wouldn't have attracted half the backlash it did. You can argue this proves the need for women-only events, but if they don't end up happening I'm not sure where that argument gets you.
NHarmonic.
Member
Really sad situation. Immature fucks.
Because they don't participate at the ones that already happen.
What?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I get why they chose it I just think it's not a good choice but I do think it is undeniable that the gaming community contains some of the worst misogynistic individuals and that's quite logical considering how many of the humans are gamers it attracts the bests as well as the worsts but sadly the worsts are more vocals and as Edmund Burke said
And that's exactly what's happening now but I don't excoriate the good men it's always easier to criticize than to compliment and even worse anger is louder than love.
im sure there are some crazy people out there, but do you think people will bother doing that? seems insane to me honestly (now you'll probably post some links that will prove me wrong Xd)
psychowave
Member
My favorite thing is possibly the fact that they call women "gamers", with quotation marks. Like there's any possible reason for women to organize and attend a women-only video game event other than the fact that they fucking like video games. The "they just do it for male attention (chicks love awkward misogynistic nerds!)" excuse doesn't even work here because it's FEMALE-ONLY. ffs.
my bad, I definitely spaced on a few words in your post and the tone of it came off completely differently than what you meant.
what i will say though is that minorities who find themselves disrespected, most often people of color, women, lgbtq people, did not ask to be or do anything to warrant the amount of disrespect they get. it isn't and shouldn't be up to them to somehow get other to respect them.
maybe the problem isn't the events but the people who for some reason feel "excluded" by them.
ViolentP
Member
For the record, I'm in no way against celebrating gender, culture, or race. But in the interest of improving the species, I just wonder how effective something is when ignorance seems to incessantly steal the spotlight. Not because of the effectiveness of the celebration itself , but because it's not given enough of a berth to grow to a level that educates the masses.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Again I'm not saying those men aren't dicks and that women don't deserve recognition I'm just saying that it will exacerbate their hatred while not informing those who genuinely wants to attend these event,those who are interested in the place of women in gaming
Minority-exclusive and focused events and celebrations are a symptom of majority exclusion.
If any of you guys don't like it when women decide to hang out by themselves without your involvement, treat the disease that is misogyny in the nerd community so they will come and hang out with you.
Don't get mad that they made their own party after getting kicked out of the "co-ed" one they tried to enter in the first place.
If any of you guys don't like it when women decide to hang out by themselves without your involvement, treat the disease that is misogyny in the nerd community so they will come and hang out with you.
Don't get mad that they made their own party after getting kicked out of the "co-ed" one they tried to enter in the first place.
When nerd men-children find out how to behave around women who play or create videogames, maybe safe spaces won't be necessary.
Until then, yes, men are banned from these events and it's not a big deal. If you want to be part of them, work towards the TRUE inclusion of women and it will eventually happen.
Until then, yes, men are banned from these events and it's not a big deal. If you want to be part of them, work towards the TRUE inclusion of women and it will eventually happen.
psychowave
Member
Check the "harassment" section on Anita Sarkeesian's Wikipedia page and weep for humanity.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Whenever someone says "women only" or "black only" events are exclusionary I always wonder why they think this shit exists in the first place. One fucking woman's only event is not "a missed opportunity". Holy shit can we not? If you can't get a section of the population to participate without having to emphasize them it means your hobby has a motherfucking problem. And saying "lets do it exactly as before because fake idea of inclusiveness" does not achieve anything.
Darryl M R
Member
You don't believe that those who genuinely want to attend the event would genuinely understand why the event was for women?
GinoFelino
Member
Gaming was a mistake
Lionel Richie
Member
You're missing the point here my man. This would be a private event, as such they should be allowed to invite just the people they want. If they want to invite only women for any reason whatsoever, they should be free to do so. You don't see people "trolling" a Mercedes factory because they can't afford one of their cars. It's okay if you're not the target audience for anything for any reason.
Ugh, this part really hits close to home. Disgusting. ><;
I always ask people who take on the line of thought you're arguing against if they ever feel some type of way about fraternities and I never get a fucking answer.
ViolentP
Member
I agree entirely, speaking as a minority myself. I've traveled the states quite a bit and I've had my share of ignorance thrown at me. Fact is, I don't need that individual's respect, but I will hope that some day they will choose to educate themselves. Because a hurt ego hurts just for a bit. But an ignorant life seems like a prison sentence.
I think it is important to celebrate all the meats in the stew of humanity. But I also think it's important that we celebrate it together, not apart.
As a man who perceives himself as a feminist I was initially saddened by the idea of gaming events reserved only for women as I assume that I would feel there more at home than in many mixed events. But than things like this happen and I am reminded why restrictions of this type are still needed.