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Fighting Games Weekly | July 29 - August 4 | Obey your thirst
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It wouldn't be that big. Capcom may be stupid, but FG sales for Capcom games- I don't think tournies play a huge role in that. Collusion isn't going to stop ham-n-egger players from buying new games, we'll still lap games up like hungry dogs.
Evo and other majors survived and grew before SFIV blew up. This wouldn't kill the tourney scene though it might cut down on number of events.
Dark Ninja
Member
I guess they could take all the money they put into the FGC and make a bunch of ios games
Karsticles
Member
Just to be clear, I'm not doubting Max. He has me legitimately worried; I just want to know what I should be worried about. While this may sound selfish, if it's just about events, I'm significantly less worried than I would be if this were about the games themselves.
I laughed.
Skullgirls sales to soar.
ipitydatfu
Member
all of my friends who bought the HP pavillion eventually stopped working, except mine. fuck my luck. this shit wont die
This is actually a very good point that I missed. Capcom's not going to lend support to events that compromise them on the company face.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Good :3 They can get more money and put more characters in and have the true best vs style game
Dat animation
When I read the post worried about Haunts' job, it took me a minute to make the connection, but I was horrified after I realized the implications of Capcomfighters + VxG.
SolarPowered
Member
Unfortunately Skullgirls and the anime scene are two separate entities. They're like Goths and emos. I don't know how to tell them apart. D:
Even though shit is looking bad now, this might be exactly what the scene needs for reformation. If top players and TOs aren't up for more rigidity and structure and generally not being idiots now, they will get left behind. Adapt or die.
I just hope that the TOs can survive..
I just hope that the TOs can survive..
Imagine if people would need to buy a Capcom license to have events like weeklies or majors.
I'm also blaming Capcom for supporting VxG in the first place. An untested event with hidden ramifications and the EMP influence? Do people willingly stick their hands into blenders?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
Gotta respectfully disagree Wiz. The FGC will never truly be done but if y'all as a community don't want this to go back to what it was pre-SF4 was then time to stand up and take responsibility.
This man and countless others have help cultivate this community to be something special and I'd hate to see something like that just drop back off again because of reasons.
Should be really interesting to see how y'all deal with this.
Getting organized and making things have consequences across the entire community is a huge step for it.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
GhostRidah
Member
Stop, you are sounding like Triforce right now, almost word for word lol
sixteen-bit
Member
RIP in peace FGC
TriForce is actually a very smart guy on design-level macro stuff. He's just...problematic in other areas.
My father's started running like shit less than a year after he bought it. I guess I just good care of mine or something that it's lasted this long.
I pledge allegiance to Bananamerica
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Dark Ninja
Member
So once Capcom games become illegal/underground to stream everybody will be playing KOF. I can live with that.
Well, at least there's no hover-hand or boob-grab.
sixteen-bit
Member
Even in a Capcom-less world, KOF13's netcode will still be awful.
I hope it gets fixed for the Steam version
Nah, if I was Triforce I'd be talking about a nondescript eSports while telling you how feniscutty this situation is right now and how it needs to BURN.
I'm just saying, this could be a pivoting point without the actual intent of things being to burn this community to the ground first.
Stabby McSter
Member
rip in pieces fgc, time to jump on the esports bandwagon. lol4lyfe
I think an increase in reasonable rules and a general raising of expectations will only encourage more people to go out to tournaments. A few salty big names or whatever may be left with a bad taste in their mouths, but for a potmonster like myself, I can only see more professionally- and conscientiously-run tournament as a good thing.
You know what?
Fuck it. Let it burn. If people were in it solely for the money in the first place, then let Capcom Cup get cancelled. Shut down the Capcom Fighters division. Make the F.Champs and Chris Gs and Flockers realize how bad they're fucking the Capcom fighting game community by hitting them where it hurts.
And you what? Every other fighting game community will be in the clear once the shit hits the fan. NRS will still patch their games way too fast while giving insane bonuses for tournaments, KI will still be Max's favorite game, Anime players will still bitch about region delays. Hell, EVO will be the same because they don't get any support from Capcom in the first place. How is the winner of SF4 for EVO 2013 get less than the winner of Marvel at VxG? Come on, son.
The stream monsters will move on to the speedrunning community, Sp00ky wil still get the hookups from MarkMan and stream marketing events, Capcom will stop with the DLC bullshit and actually sit down and maybe release a brand new game instead of just patches, and TOs will rely on actual sponsors to help them out.
The FGC wil not be done, Mr. Wizard. The only thing that will be over are the FGC's chances to make a profit out of the events and the online "community" that the FGC spawned.
Fuck it. Let it burn. If people were in it solely for the money in the first place, then let Capcom Cup get cancelled. Shut down the Capcom Fighters division. Make the F.Champs and Chris Gs and Flockers realize how bad they're fucking the Capcom fighting game community by hitting them where it hurts.
And you what? Every other fighting game community will be in the clear once the shit hits the fan. NRS will still patch their games way too fast while giving insane bonuses for tournaments, KI will still be Max's favorite game, Anime players will still bitch about region delays. Hell, EVO will be the same because they don't get any support from Capcom in the first place. How is the winner of SF4 for EVO 2013 get less than the winner of Marvel at VxG? Come on, son.
The stream monsters will move on to the speedrunning community, Sp00ky wil still get the hookups from MarkMan and stream marketing events, Capcom will stop with the DLC bullshit and actually sit down and maybe release a brand new game instead of just patches, and TOs will rely on actual sponsors to help them out.
The FGC wil not be done, Mr. Wizard. The only thing that will be over are the FGC's chances to make a profit out of the events and the online "community" that the FGC spawned.
SolarPowered
Member
This is like trying to restore a flower from it's burned ashes. Some things just can't be brought back.
Chavelo can't control it anymore.
I died at the bits in bold though lmao.
who are some of the big sponsors? i know madcatz seem to be the biggest and i really hope they aren't the ones.
Duxxy3
Member
If players keep this up, the publishers will stop allowing these streams. The streams go, the sponsors go and it's a wrap.
Nintendo just barely let SSBM get streamed at evo. If that stream had players throwing games and splitting pots you would never see another stream from that game again.
Nintendo just barely let SSBM get streamed at evo. If that stream had players throwing games and splitting pots you would never see another stream from that game again.
It's highly unlikely, given MCZ's position. It's likely a new one we're unaware of.
Smash itself had to deal with this issue before as well.
sixteen-bit
Member
Isn't NOS a big sponsor?
Unconditional
Member
First one I thought of.
The scene needs to embrace "esports"
- money
-structure
-professionalism
-coverage
-sponsors
Imo, the biggest thing is still the money. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just look at the history of Body Building and Poker. They really took off and got taken seriously once real money was involved. Until that happens it's just child games.
There was an interview/documentary on Arnold Schwarzenegger years ago and he was talking about trying to grow the body building scene and the one of the biggest things he worked on was getting higher payouts. much higher payouts so that the athletes could live on their earnings. Without the possibility of something like this, no one can be seriously dedicated to a sport regardless of what it is. It will always come second to a job and be a hobby. Or you will be so poor and just getting by in order to continue competing on a high level. Large prizes also bring in people as spectators. Could you imagine the view count at EVO if there was a $500,000 prize for 1st place? News like that gets reported across various media since it's so much money. It's the same idea behind game shows like "who wants to be a millionaire?" does anyone really think that show would have taken off if it was called "who wants $1000?" Not impressive. Also, look at the history of Poker. Big money, more coverage, taken more seriously, BAM on EPSN watched by millions.
- money
-structure
-professionalism
-coverage
-sponsors
Imo, the biggest thing is still the money. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just look at the history of Body Building and Poker. They really took off and got taken seriously once real money was involved. Until that happens it's just child games.
There was an interview/documentary on Arnold Schwarzenegger years ago and he was talking about trying to grow the body building scene and the one of the biggest things he worked on was getting higher payouts. much higher payouts so that the athletes could live on their earnings. Without the possibility of something like this, no one can be seriously dedicated to a sport regardless of what it is. It will always come second to a job and be a hobby. Or you will be so poor and just getting by in order to continue competing on a high level. Large prizes also bring in people as spectators. Could you imagine the view count at EVO if there was a $500,000 prize for 1st place? News like that gets reported across various media since it's so much money. It's the same idea behind game shows like "who wants to be a millionaire?" does anyone really think that show would have taken off if it was called "who wants $1000?" Not impressive. Also, look at the history of Poker. Big money, more coverage, taken more seriously, BAM on EPSN watched by millions.
The Aver Media community manager guy has threatened to pull. I have no clue if they're big or not. I'm new on the scene.
FallingEdge
Member
lol @ no more Evo.
It has been like this a long time now. People at the top don't care about winning, they care about the money and fame. There is nothing wrong with that, to each their own. I just don't see how this is surprising at all.
It has been like this a long time now. People at the top don't care about winning, they care about the money and fame. There is nothing wrong with that, to each their own. I just don't see how this is surprising at all.
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
I think that was only a couple tournaments like two years back.
Karsticles
Member
It should really be a community project to say "fuck you" to those few. Every competitive community has community standards, but it seems like the FGC's standard is generally "how entertaining was this?"
Madcatz would be an odd one to pull out. The FGC probably keeps them alive, since their fighting game equipment is the only reputable stuff they make.
Trying hard to school the kids but its hard.
