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[Dahbomb]

Yeah, he made one today.

http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/umv...0km00ly00ly00ly00na00na-bkf-naMichael Mendoza

lol

Spencer top 3?

Almost as bad as Vergil being the best in the game.

Thor criminally low on FChamp's tier list, he bodies everyone below him plus a bunch of characters above him. FChamo will probably bump him up when he gets bodied by him in a tournament.

 

[SloaneRisette]

Yipes's tier list is godlike.

Champ's tier list is like every other tier list he makes every other week.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

I'd like to see Yipes' team tier list if he gets around to making it. He said on Bum's stream that he wants to. He named off four or so teams that would be at the top of the list, and his spencer/vergil/hawkeye was either first or second.

 

[Karsticles]

Spencer top 3?

Almost as bad as Vergil being the best in the game.

Thor criminally low on FChamp's tier list, he bodies everyone below him plus a bunch of characters above him. FChamo will probably bump him up when he gets bodied by him in a tournament.

I think Spencer is ridiculously good. Yipes plays Spencer, so it's hard to say he's biased when he plays him at a high level.

I'd like to see Yipes' team tier list if he gets around to making it. He said on Bum's stream that he wants to. He named off four or so teams that would be at the top of the list, and his spencer/vergil/hawkeye was either first or second.

YES FINALLY!

 

[Azure J]

I'm pretty much at the point where I've tuned out most tier lists made for Marvel. Even if the individual ranking used in most tier lists wasn't already enough to make you question the commentary made on them (because teams setups will always change/influence things during a match in progress), some things just seem too kneejerk.

Then there's also the idea that you can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink. I'll never get why Spencer is so highly regarded beyond damage:ease of use/consistency.

 

[kirblar]

Spencer top 3?

Almost as bad as Vergil being the best in the game.

We agree on this one.

I'm pretty much at the point where I've tuned out most tier lists made for Marvel. Even if the individual ranking used in most tier lists wasn't already enough to make you question the commentary made on them (because teams setups will always change/influence things during a match in progress), some things just seem too kneejerk.

Then there's also the idea that you can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink. I'll never get why Spencer is so highly regarded beyond damage:ease of use/consistency.

Spencer's in the Zero/Wesker camp of having problematic movement. He's a good character, but at the tippy top levels he faces a nasty metagame issue.

 

[Infinite]

Spencer is definitely top 5 if not top 3

 

[Dahbomb]

These top players need to get together and really brainstorm these tier lists thoroughly. There is just so many inconsistencies among the top players. It's pretty clear how heavily personal bias and experiences shape these tier list especially with the difference in the meta game of the two coasts. Yipes gets bodied by Zero because all of his characters and team get owned by him so he puts him at best where as Vergil beats all of FChamp's characters so he puts him as the best. Yipes doesn't even put in Magneto as top 5...

 

[Azure J]

We agree on this one.


Spencer's in the Zero/Wesker camp of having problematic movement. He's a good character, but at the tippy top levels he faces a nasty metagame issue.

I dunno about Zero having problematic movement (to be notable enough anyways), but I see where you're coming from.

These top players need to get together and really brainstorm these tier lists thoroughly. There is just so many inconsistencies among the top players. It's pretty clear how heavily personal bias and experiences shape these tier list especially with the difference is the meta game. Yipes gets bodied by Zero because all of his characters and team get owned by him so he puts him at best where as Vergil beats all of FChamp's characters so he puts him as the best. Yipes doesn't even put in Magneto as top 5...

Yipes is my favorite stream personality and he has sound personal reasoning (if not reasoning that can be universally agreed upon) for his opinions, but to give this some context, he swears that Vanilla Dante was not busted at all.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

We agree on this one.


Spencer's in the Zero/Wesker camp of having problematic movement. He's a good character, but at the tippy top levels he faces a nasty metagame issue.

Wesker moves around like he's on grease and Zero is a bitch to catch.

 

[SloaneRisette]

These top players need to get together and really brainstorm these tier lists thoroughly. There is just so many inconsistencies among the top players. It's pretty clear how heavily personal bias and experiences shape these tier list especially with the difference is the meta game. Yipes gets bodied by Zero because all of his characters and team get owned by him so he puts him at best where as Vergil beats all of FChamp's characters so he puts him as the best. Yipes doesn't even put in Magneto as top 5...

Yeah, lists done by a single player will always have these glaring abnormalities. You need a group of the top 5 or so Marvel 3 players to sit down and have a good, well thought out discussion on character placement for a Marvel 3 tier list to actually be really accurate.

But that won't happen.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

These top players need to get together and really brainstorm these tier lists thoroughly.

Or they could play the game.

 

[Karsticles]

Y'all just forgot about my tier list, which is the most balanced and perfect ever made:
http://tinyurl.com/a275zxy

 

[Zukuu]

Yeah, lists done by a single player will always have these glaring abnormalities. You need a group of the top 5 or so Marvel 3 players to sit down and have a good, well thought out discussion on character placement for a Marvel 3 tier list to actually be really accurate.

But that won't happen.

You always could just apply a rating system and mix the tier lists of all the "pro players" together.

 

[Azure J]

Wesker moves around like he's on grease and Zero is a bitch to catch.

I understand Wesker and Spencer's "mobility issue" mostly because the most dominant force in the current meta are projectile traps/trap based teams (or team in Morrigan/Doom). What do the two of them have to either prevent it from happening ASAP or moving as unhindered as possible through the mess of things when the offense gets started? What do they have to catch the person chucking things when they don't have air mobility or means to lame out the mess and how much do you have to invest health wise (patiently taking chip/full fireballs or other such things) to see a return (a solid hitconfirm), let alone a good return (character KO)?

 

[Frantic]

Viscant is the only pro player I will listen to when it comes to tiers in Marvel.

 

[Dahbomb]

Wesker moves around like he's on grease and Zero is a bitch to catch.

The meta game he is talking about is the Morrigan/Doom combo. Basically Kirblar is saying that whoever gets bodied by that combo shouldn't be the best/top 5. Only every single character in the game gets bodied by it hardcore and it isn't a Zero exclusive problem.

To me Zero and Morrigan are similar types of characters in that they are comfortable super jumping around and throwing projectiles under cover of an assist with occasional rushdown. The difference between the two is that Zero has a superior throw game, superior mix ups, superior damage, superior pressure but inferior "filling up screen with fireballs" ability. Zero can get in your face instantly with his command dash where as Morrigan has no fast dash option.

 

[Infinite]

Then again the concept of tiers is always heavily opinionated and tiers themselves are subject to change as the metagame goes on.

 

[kirblar]

Wesker moves around like he's on grease and Zero is a bitch to catch.

All 3 are weak to the top-tier Dorm/Mag/Morrigan/Missiles style spam. (Of course, the Chris-Dash tech has the potential to bust open the tiers at the top end, but we'll have to wait and see.)

 

[Karsticles]

Viscant is the only pro player I will listen to when it comes to tiers in Marvel.

If Yipes makes a team tier list, I will listen.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

For Westernheretic

It's a week late, but here's champ complaining http://www.twitch.tv/fgtvlive

 

[SloaneRisette]

Viscant is the only pro player I will listen to when it comes to tiers in Marvel.

Yeah, this for me too.

Though I would definitely listen to a Yipes team tier list.

 

[Dahbomb]

If Yipes makes a team tier list, I will listen.

Well he listed his own team as #1 or #2 so I really doubt that's going to be that accurate anyway.

Last time Viscant made a team tier list it was made obsolete within a few weeks when ChrisG put together his current team.... as expected since team compositions change periodically although we are getting to a stage where we are getting closer to end game teams.

 

[enzo_gt]

Then again the concept of tiers is always heavily opinionated and tiers themselves are subject to change as the metagame goes on.

Yep. I wouldn't trust even a team of players to make a tier list, because it seems to be an echo chamber of ignorance when you hear top players talk about the metagame. People make conjectures based on not knowing stuff about characters. For the most part, there is a good foundation, but sometimes they stretch it far based on their experience or lack of experience in cases.

Yipes and Viscant are susceptible too to this, but I trust them most.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yep. I wouldn't trust even a team of players to make a tier list, because it seems to be an echo chamber of ignorance when you hear top players talk about the metagame. People make conjectures based on not knowing stuff about characters. For the most part, there is a good foundation, but sometimes they stretch it far based on their experience or lack of experience in cases.

Yipes and Viscant are susceptible too to this, but I trust them most.

The thing about having a group of players is that it serves as a rudimentary check and balance system. So if someone like Fanatiq says some crap like MODOK is top 5 the rest of the players will start talking about his numerous weaknesses and at least try to justify against it. You need numerous insights on various characters both from players who play the characters and those who play against them.

 

[Chavelo]

Hey, GAF. Who would win a 5v5 for the best online marvel community? GAF, 4Chan, Reddit or the OG himself, SRK? :3

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Is Beef playing?

 

[Chavelo]

Is Beef playing?

Would it really make a difference?

This would be an online tournament, so you will surely have a derpy team just like Beef's for each team.

 

[Professor Beef]

Hey, GAF. Who would win a 5v5 for the best online marvel community? GAF, 4Chan, Reddit or the OG himself, SRK? :3

Cross out SRK and replace them with GFaqs. Then I would choose GFaqs to win it all.

 

[Dahbomb]

Hey, GAF. Who would win a 5v5 for the best online marvel community? GAF, 4Chan, Reddit or the OG himself, SRK? :3

SRK has top tournament placing players so that answer is obvious.

Against Reddit and 4Ch I like GAF free.

I want to see GFaqs vs GAF though.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Hey, GAF. Who would win a 5v5 for the best online marvel community? GAF, 4Chan, Reddit or the OG himself, SRK? :3

GAF would be the best at watching it.

 

[Chavelo]

Okay, let's take out SRK. Or actually, leave SRK with the only condition that the players available to join the 5v5 will be the online warriors that bitch all the time on the comment section on the front page articles.

Also, let's add GFaqs in the mix for some reason. Never really heard of them and their skill in Marvel play.

 

[SloaneRisette]

GAF would be the best at watching it.

Lol

And Reddit has a Marvel community? Is it just people that are also on here to some extent or something?

Anyways, I'd probably rank SRK > Gaf > GameFAQs > the rest

 

[Professor Beef]

SRK has top tournament placing players so that answer is obvious.

They don't like playing online though, which is the key word. Every player that I've played from SRK has been asscheeks. And GAF has seen how I play, so that's saying something.

 

[Dahbomb]

They don't like playing online though, which is the key word. Every player that I've played from SRK has been asscheeks. And GAF has seen how I play, so that's saying something.

People like DiosX, DrewGrimey and MegamanSteve are SRK regulars though so its hard to quantify which players would represent the communities. I mean we can use Clockwork for GAF...

 

[Karsticles]

Lol

And Reddit has a Marvel community? Is it just people that are also on here to some extent or something?

Anyways, I'd probably rank SRK > Gaf > GameFAQs > the rest

I'll take GFAQs over GAF. I'm probably the only person here who has played enough people from both websites to judge that.

People like DiosX, DrewGrimey and MegamanSteve are SRK regulars though so its hard to quantify which players would represent the communities. I mean we can use Clockwork for GAF...

The rule would have to be about regulars, or oldest website they belong to, or something. Clockw0rk has been on SRK for way longer than GAF.

 

[Azure J]

I get bodied regularly by SRK heads (most prominently AceKillah) who I think are equivalent to our upper tier/MAHVEL tier (Frantic, Sixfortyfive, Biz), haven't seen any other faction go at it with us though, except for that one time that Dante/Zero/Vergil dude from GFaqs I think came to Kadey's channel and ripped our shit open.

I like SRK's online warriors over us, but I feel like the right team combo from us would put us about even. That and I'm Team GAF before anything else.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Smurf seems to be the supreme online warrior around these parts.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Smurfx beat Viscant and is a former cosmic lord

(little known fact)

 

[Azure J]

Smurf seems to be the supreme online warrior around these parts.

Knew I was forgetting someone. It doesn't matter how much you know about Marvel or how intricate your team is, he will make you take the pipe.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Champ thinks SFxT will die again without IPL.

 

[Professor Beef]

Smurf seems to be the supreme online warrior around these parts.

He even won* the XBL side of the GAF Tournament.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

He even won* the XBL side of the GAF Tournament.

Scumbag 645

Complains about flakes in online tournaments.
Bails out from an online tournament.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Cross out SRK and replace them with GFaqs. Then I would choose GFaqs to win it all.

Yep.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

my marvel tier list cuz fuck it

Wesker is the one im most unsure about.

i wanna put em higher, but motherfuckers are in the way....

 

[Karsticles]

my marvel tier list cuz fuck it

Wesker is the one im most unsure about.

i wanna put em higher, but motherfuckers are in the way....

What faults do characters like Magneta and Akuma have?

 

[smurfx]

He even won* the XBL side of the GAF Tournament.

dudes are barely losing tournaments while i'm winning without even playing! get on my level neogaf.

 

[Solune]

Spencer top 3?

Almost as bad as Vergil being the best in the game.

Thor criminally low on FChamp's tier list, he bodies everyone below him plus a bunch of characters above him. FChamo will probably bump him up when he gets bodied by him in a tournament.

Who's gonna body Fchamp with Thor though? I mean WHO has the skill level on a national level that can compete with Fchamp AND uses Thor. I can't name any.

 

[Karsticles]

Who's gonna body Fchamp with Thor though? I mean WHO has the skill level on a national level that can compete with Fchamp AND uses Thor. I can't name any.

We have to fly Serpentaurus from GFAQs out here.

Spoiler

Kappa

 

[scytheavatar]

These top players need to get together and really brainstorm these tier lists thoroughly.

Why should they do that? Is someone going to pay them for sharing their tier list opinion? Or is the game unplayable if Magneto isn't "officially" top 5?