I'd say they're just a bit more exaggerated. I get the annoyance with them, some of them are super silly. Fates had some real dumb ones. That said, a lot of older support convos are dry as hell.
This line, though:
lol.
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I'd say they're just a bit more exaggerated. I get the annoyance with them, some of them are super silly. Fates had some real dumb ones. That said, a lot of older support convos are dry as hell.
This line, though:
lol.
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Linkstrikesback
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More FE Geneology spoilers.
I'm not trying to downplay the incest nonsense that should never have been in a game.
I just think they'd probably let it happen especially since you could, in roundabout ways get cousins once removed boning thanks to Robin/Morgan and time travelling future kids in awakening.
Especially VS they wouldn't even let a single good character remain dead in Awakening, with Chromsmother sister somehow coming back from the dead. I just doubt that they'd kill a significant portion of the playable cast in a game they release now.
I just think they'd probably let it happen especially since you could, in roundabout ways get cousins once removed boning thanks to Robin/Morgan and time travelling future kids in awakening.
Especially VS they wouldn't even let a single good character remain dead in Awakening, with Chroms
DecoReturns
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Sister. Chrom parents are dead.
elshoelace
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I've been replaying POR for the first time since the game came out since I never finished it and I really like that on top of the supports there are info conversations with your team members/other npcs that give a little bit of extra context for characters motivations and help flesh them out a bit. Plus the support convos seem pretty good so far, though maybe there are some bad ones, I haven't finished my playthrough yet.
Edit: Lol just as I post I see your edit with a pretty silly support convo from POR
dreamlongdead
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Neither have I. Man, the older Fire Emblems are so mechanically rough these days. Fates, particularly Conquest, did so many positive things gameplay wise that I can't really justify replaying most of the previous games.
Awakening has some design issues, but I'd still easily take it over Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance, and Radiant Dawn.
Binding Blade and Blazing Sword are the only two contenders IMO, because the map design and challenge still remains great. Elibe is a charming universe.
I will commend Geneaology of the Holy War and Thracia 776 for strong world building and actual good writing, but they seriously need an update and actual English release.
Seeing how successful this Gaiden remake seems to be, I definitely think the Jugdral games could (and should) get an opportunity to be modernized and be legitimately amazing games.
I don't have money (or time, really) to get Shadows of Valentia day one, but I'm certainly picking this up at some point during this year.
Most of the women lived to have children. I think the bigger issue would be watching Quan and Ethlin murdered on screen, Athena stolen away, and having Tinny tell Arthur that their mother was abused to death by Hilda.
Linkstrikesback
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Are you insulting the map design in Path of Radiance?Dreamlongdead said:
That's it, I challenge you to a duel at dawn.
edit:Now I'm not actually sure if I was thinking of 9 or 10, haha. It's been too long, get on those remakes Nintendo.
Base convos were great. The fact that they haven't implemented this in an FE game since is mind boggling.
I don't mind silly supports and I don't mind dry supports. There's a definite shift in overall tone from past FE's to Awakening though, and I think they just changed the humor to stay with the times. I don't have a huge issue with that. It's just that with Awakening and Fates the character gimmicks are very, very pronounced (which actually probably makes them more memorable in the long run). It rubs off on people the wrong way.
Awakening I was fine with because that game is just constant callbacks to previous games and it's kind of a celebration of the series in a way. The fact that they double down on it in Fates too was where I got a little concerned.
Really glad this is getting good reviews, I want to see more traditional FEs getting released. Conquest is fantastic gameplay wise (best in the series), but Birthright and Revelation are mediocre and Awakening just falls apart after the Mila Tree, although it was a tossup even prior to that. Anyone who turns their nose up at the pre-3DS titles is not doing themselves a favour.
And throw in an FE4 remake while we're at it. There's nothing wrong with a dark plot, and developers should not be afraid to cater to a more mature audience.
And throw in an FE4 remake while we're at it. There's nothing wrong with a dark plot, and developers should not be afraid to cater to a more mature audience.
DecoReturns
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If they do Geneology of the Holy War.
Will it be
I doubt it, but they could build up the narrative a bit more. Sometimes. Things just happen In Geneology
Will it be
1 whole game or maybe split into 2?
I doubt it, but they could build up the narrative a bit more. Sometimes. Things just happen In Geneology
salamander150
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Huh with all the talk of boring map design from early impressions I was expecting scores closer to 8. Scores in FE games matter very very little to me but I'm happy to see it be higher than expected! Can't wait for that awesome artstyle and no waifu gameplay~
Forreal. The narrative that Support conversations went to shit in the Awakening/Fates era is such nonsense. It's just a different take altogether (one that I generally prefer them since they're meaty).
I feel like Echoes's is actually step back from the GBA era since supports are incredibly short, and characters don't get to support with many people. No more amazingly unexpected Vaida x Canas type supports either (to my knowledge).
theprodigy
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That would imply reviews care about map design....but just look at Awakening/not Conquest reviews.
jungomitis
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Loved awakening, hated fates.
Heros got me intereted in the series again and it looks like it'll be a bit grittier and classic - guess I'll keep my preorder then! (Have absolutely no time to play it though)
Heros got me intereted in the series again and it looks like it'll be a bit grittier and classic - guess I'll keep my preorder then! (Have absolutely no time to play it though)
People said Birthright had shit map design and I had no problem with it. I think Fire Emblem fan standards are just different. I pretty much avoid Fire Emblem fans opinions on the series.
WWG's review will be here soon. Unfortunately my copy didn't get here until the weekend, when I was balls-deep in my Injustice 2 review. Want to make sure I take my time with this, and the timing was unfortunate.
It is an incredible Fire Emblem Game though. Might replace Awakening as my favorite.
It is an incredible Fire Emblem Game though. Might replace Awakening as my favorite.
dreamlongdead
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Actually, I'm not. Path of Radiance has OK map design and objective variety, but it is just too easy.
Radiant Dawn is much more challenging (and rewarding) from a gameplay standpoint. It's got some really epic set pieces, and the map objectives are better than its predecessor. The defensive maps are ace!
The main problem with RD is that it lacks replayability. There are really no opportunities to run diverse teams until the very end. The pacing is actually a huge problem. The game's structure makes it unique, but hurts it too.
I just don't think the Tellius universe is really special at all. I think the human allies aside from the Greil Mercenaries are really lackluster. It's funny how much more I like the villains. Black Knight is particularly an amazing character.
DecoReturns
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They probably mean no in game marriage. With children.
And no Avatar.
Unfortunately us lowly English speakers can't play it without pirating and a patch because NoA decided it wasn't worth the effort to release after Shadow Dragon bombed.
psychowave
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"Waifu" isn't a synonym for "female character", despite how much anime fans have tried to make it one in the last couple of years.
And why would you call Delthea a waifu? She's 13.
My review:
Switchitalia: 8.5/10
"A well balanced mix between old approach and new elements, for an episode that risks to become the most beloved Fire Emblem on the 3DS family system for a certain group of FE fans"
Switchitalia: 8.5/10
"A well balanced mix between old approach and new elements, for an episode that risks to become the most beloved Fire Emblem on the 3DS family system for a certain group of FE fans"
Who do you think defined the term waifu if not anime fans lol?
jungomitis
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I think it's because Nintendo tries to differentiate every entry in a series with enough changes to make it stand on its own but also affect people's perception of the product
I am glad you decided to post Best Sister and not Trash Sister.
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psychowave
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It seems you didn't understand my post.
Aveyn Knight
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Not sure if I missed a mention, but Echoes has base conversations. There are 3 for each character (plus an extra 1 for Gray and Tobin because they love Clair so much).
I really enjoyed them since they provide more insight into the characters (who were paper thin in the original Gaiden).
Does it matter? Nowadays it's pretty much synonymous with "female character"... we literally have a waifu thread for Persona 5.
To preface, i'm not saying she's a waifu because that would be creepy. But you would have be to willfully ignorant if you think that she's not pandering to a certain demographic.
Well according to the devs, the Fates and Awakening formula is pretty much the only thing Nintendo will allow them to keep making 100%. These are obviously what are going to sell... The old formula won't cut it. I'm fine with a bone being tossed to older fans every 3 or 4 games.
psychowave
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She just looks like a little girl to me? I'm getting kinda off-topic here but it's pretty fucking sad if we really live in a world where young female characters can't exist without automatically being seen as pandering to pedophiles.
Got the special edition on pre-order and the back section of my wallet filled for the season pass DLC. Bring on Gaiden!
As to the people drawing a line between Awakening/Fates and the rest of the series; they're all from the same family, just minor things dropped and added here and there. Some people act as if it's a total genre shift between the new and old installments.
If the only reason you bought those games is due to the "waifus" and avatar system, there's thousands of visual novel games just for you. If there's other things you like about the series, such as the stellar gameplay, music, art work, etc., get Echoes. You'll love it.
As to the people drawing a line between Awakening/Fates and the rest of the series; they're all from the same family, just minor things dropped and added here and there. Some people act as if it's a total genre shift between the new and old installments.
If the only reason you bought those games is due to the "waifus" and avatar system, there's thousands of visual novel games just for you. If there's other things you like about the series, such as the stellar gameplay, music, art work, etc., get Echoes. You'll love it.
It bombed because they thought it was cute to make a DS remake almost 1:1 with an early NES game.
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Why shouldn't it have been in the game? Of all FE games Genealogy is the one that actually handles incest seriously and doesn't play it up as a fetish. At any case I don't think either IS or Nintendo have much of an issue with the subject considering Fates.
I don't think there's anything in Genealogy that should make them hesitate on a remake. The game handles some dark subject matters, but nothing that they can't get away with in a T rated game. As for the developers not wanting to kill off characters, I like to believe they still have it in them to keep characters dead, specially since Emmerin was just a streetpass thing and in my mind her coming back isn't canon since it's not part of the main game
I think the biggest problem might actually be the child hunts but Genealogy doesn't really dwelve into it that much so it shouldn't be an issue.
I don't think there's anything in Genealogy that should make them hesitate on a remake. The game handles some dark subject matters, but nothing that they can't get away with in a T rated game. As for the developers not wanting to kill off characters, I like to believe they still have it in them to keep characters dead, specially since Emmerin was just a streetpass thing and in my mind her coming back isn't canon since it's not part of the main game
I think the biggest problem might actually be the child hunts but Genealogy doesn't really dwelve into it that much so it shouldn't be an issue.
Tbf, I think it does matter. I don't think players are that critical of their favorite games, like I love Fe4 but it has alot of jank that will rightly turn off people.
You and me brother, and i still haven't finished Persona 5.
Old FE fans shit blood if they go too long without reminding everyone how bad the new games and their fans are zzzzzzzzzz
Yep. This, TitS 3rd and Disgaea 5 will eat all my spare time.
BRSxIgnition
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Really tempted to get this - Sacred Stones was my first Fire Emblem game, and while I really enjoyed Awakening, I generally disliked most versions of Fates (especially its story), and enjoyed Path of Radiance when I replayed it recently.
It seems that based on this, Shadows of Valentia is something I'll enjoy.
It seems that based on this, Shadows of Valentia is something I'll enjoy.
Blackquill
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Ok now I started to fight my first witches
I hate this game
I hate this game
Sacred Stones was a spiritual sequel to Gaiden. So it's definitely worth a play if you like Sacred Stones alot.
The_Darkest_Red
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Very much looking forward to this. I'm a fan of new and old FE but after Awakening/Fates I think a return to the classic style will be a welcome breath of fresh air for me.
Best game series just keeps giving.
Best game series just keeps giving.
Wait... this game has Witches in it? Can they teleport?
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