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Fire Emblem Heroes |OT|Natural Selection Simulator
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Yeah, she's my fourth member of the Horse team and she does nothing but buff, reciprocal aid, and act as bait for Blue/Green mages. I may even put Renewal on her as a B skill and make her a psuedo healer until I can find an Elise.
I think I'll actually probably still roll with Olivia next Arena with Camus as the bonus and skip on using Titania. She's too niche.
Dancers are to important when you have Rein. He's too weak to leave exposed so he needs to get in and out, by either dancing and killing everyone or dancing and retreating.
A dancer, strong mage and units with vantage are the key imo. Also be sure that you don't use buff skills in your assist spot. Use stuff like draw back or swap or reposition to be more unpredictable. Don't use Elise and 3 horses bc it's really 3 on 4.
My current team is Xander, Hector, Olivia and Julia. This team has no business working on defense bc the movements are so different and not much synergy. Yet I've been getting a bunch of defenses the last two weeks. Go figure.
On offense I prefer reposition on a unit to get Rein, Cecilia or Olwen out of trouble. This way you can also get more horse buffs going.
Right now I have Draw Back on Camus, Cecilia and Ursula because of my extreme excess of Sullys. I like Draw Back on mages but I'll probably give Reposition to Camus.
I have Swap on Eldigan and it's actually very helpful for optimizing my buff situation. Cecilia and Eldigan run Hone Cavalry, Ursula and Camus run Fortify Cavalry. I can have both blade tomes full power even in awkward positions. I don't have extra Goad Cavalry to pass around and I feel like this works out better anyways.
Ursula in particular has made my tempest trial runs go from easy to braindead, there are no longer any group compositions that give me trouble. Later maps Tiki and Ike are no longer an issue. I haven't done a lot of arena with this team though, and red magic damage is a lot rarer there.
I have Swap on Eldigan and it's actually very helpful for optimizing my buff situation. Cecilia and Eldigan run Hone Cavalry, Ursula and Camus run Fortify Cavalry. I can have both blade tomes full power even in awkward positions. I don't have extra Goad Cavalry to pass around and I feel like this works out better anyways.
Ursula in particular has made my tempest trial runs go from easy to braindead, there are no longer any group compositions that give me trouble. Later maps Tiki and Ike are no longer an issue. I haven't done a lot of arena with this team though, and red magic damage is a lot rarer there.
Sushen
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It looks like less number of enemies spawned in the video, For example, no units spawned in the bottom middle. I wonder how.
If all present enemies are defeated, your win, regardless of how many enemies are still left to spawn
theprodigy
Member
Sölf;241149285 said:
>tried to pull Reinhardt
>all these colorless units
I only pulled those when I had no blue. Which happened way to often. And never more than 2 blues.
SenorArdilla
Member
I got lots of Odin now. Lovely.
There are two that I occasionally check:
https://fireemblem.gamepress.gg/inheritance-tier-list
http://feheroes.gamepedia.com/Inheritance_Tier_List
They also have sample builds which can be useful.
A lot of the Builds pages on the wiki are either:
- Outdated
- Extremely suboptimal
- Dating back to before the move to Gamepedia, a time where basically anyone could edit those pages.
Dozens of submissions come in every day and there are literally only two to three wiki editors who check them before putting them up. The problem is none of them are part of the tier list team (that I am on) or regulars in the arena chat channel of the FEH Discord.
This means no actual competitive players look through these.
I've received a complaint today from an inexperienced player who made a bad investment decision because it was recommended on a Builds page (Athena's), so I brought the issue up with wiki editors.
In the future we'll make sure to work more closely with them to prevent something like this from happening.
Sushen
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Comparing Anna and Legion at 5*, I guess, it's true that Anna probably is more deserving to be 5*. It's 86-41 for Legion with Brave Axe+ and 81-43 for Anna with her own axe, but like someone pointed out earlier, Legion is an one time bonus. Hmm...I like Legion, though.
I found myself having more and more difficulties of making decisions somehow recently.
The big difference though is that Raven can have a +Spd boon which puts him at 38 - that's pretty important. We still put Legion in the same tier because he is a lot better than Bartre.
Comparing them to Anna is a bit strange because they play very differently.
are you trying to tell me my quadanna is bad?
Yes she is, for reasons almost too numerous to list. I can elaborate tomorrow if you like.
Sushen
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You scored 4850 with two dancers, a healer, and a fly unit in all blue???
That's not mine. I'm in Tier 18. I just asked in FEH arena chat where the approximate cutoff is.
Furthermore I strongly doubt this is that player's actual arena team.
https://twitter.com/fe_heroes_jp/status/876622831085207553
Aw shit Hinoka. Time for Flier Emblem to make a return.
Aw shit Hinoka. Time for Flier Emblem to make a return.
https://twitter.com/fe_heroes_jp/status/876622831085207553
Aw shit Hinoka. Time for Flier Emblem to make a return.
Flier and Calvary hell next week. Can't wait!
CuthbertAllgoodz
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Good thing I will be Tier 20 with no chance to stay in. Will aim for 4000 points for feathers and be done with it. Will probably do the same the week after and drop to 18. I did not invest in Camus yet. He is still 4*, has SP ready but I doubt my use of him after those 2 weeks of Arena.
Sushen
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I better hurry up and ready Bride Cordelia for a snack time.
Hell yeah. I can finally use Hinoka again...
-4 cavalry units people can form cavalry emblem teams around
....Damn.
Well, at least I'm not too into the arena and they didn't make Reinhardt a bonus unit. I bet it might be pretty easy to rack up some defense wins if you put a wolf tome user and archer on your defense team this time around.
I'll get to use Hinoka for arena tomorrow.
I have 4869 points and I'm at around 1648 ranking so it looks like I'll be making it to tier 20 tomorrow.
I could have gotten a higher score over 4900 but arena matches have become more difficult lately and I don't have any cavalry units.
Edit: I've also been thinking about whether to give my spellcaster a -wolf tome to have an easier time with cavalry units because of how difficult they are becoming.
The new strategy I see is Reinhardt with Moonbow and Quickened Pulse that can kill something easily first turn.
I have 4869 points and I'm at around 1648 ranking so it looks like I'll be making it to tier 20 tomorrow.
I could have gotten a higher score over 4900 but arena matches have become more difficult lately and I don't have any cavalry units.
Edit: I've also been thinking about whether to give my spellcaster a -wolf tome to have an easier time with cavalry units because of how difficult they are becoming.
The new strategy I see is Reinhardt with Moonbow and Quickened Pulse that can kill something easily first turn.
The problem is I can't really score with cavalry.
Fortunately I have a (-Atk) Hinoka, but my fliers are not ready whatsoever.
I could consider Katarina but only have one Tharja and she is +Atk so not exactly skill fodder.
dreamlongdead
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So, I've been fighting Bridal Cordelia every single match now. The Arena rolled the bridge map multiple times, too. How on earth do I win without losing a unit to her? I can occasionally tank Brave Bow+ builds with fast units, but Firesweep+ shuts down everything.
I have a +SPD/-RES Bridelia myself, but I have a long way to go before she has a real build.
My high score for this season is 4747, but that is actually not a perfect streak. I lost one unit during that run, but it doesn't matter since I'm advancing into tier 18 next season. Until I revamp my strategy and make changes, I expect to bounce between 17 and 18.
I have a +SPD/-RES Bridelia myself, but I have a long way to go before she has a real build.
My high score for this season is 4747, but that is actually not a perfect streak. I lost one unit during that run, but it doesn't matter since I'm advancing into tier 18 next season. Until I revamp my strategy and make changes, I expect to bounce between 17 and 18.
On that map, ironically, fliers.
Is the Firesweep Bow build more common? I thought I was good because Vantage Kagero shut down Brave Bow Cordelia. but if Firesweep is the norm though..
Just got back from a relaxing vacation and returned to this freaking game of Arena, GHB, and the damn grindy Tempest... Tempest is apparently the most pressing thing here so guess I will just do 4000-point arena runs for the offense feathers and call it a week for arena, dropping to T18 certainly won't be the end of the world. Infernal GHB is certainly interesting, tried a few times with my usual mains and got sandwiched by the reinforcements of course. I then said fuck it and just made some units specifically for anti-Legions purpose (i.e. feeding Laslows to red mages). And then Infernal becomes quite a breeze and only requires some careful positioning occasionally.
With all of these out of the way, it is time to come back to the stupid grindy Tempest BS. I can't decide on which to keep among my two accounts so I'm going to get Quickened Pulse for both of them. Currently my main is sitting at 30k+ and my alt at 25k+. As much as I have refined my strats and can pretty much achieve 705-point per run 9 times out of 10, it is still an insanely intense grind given that I have got 3 days left. Reinhardt with Escape Route 3 (not very useful outside of Tempest speed run, but Reinhardt has a bazillion of SP anyway) on my alt account is truly a godsend here. I just let him get hit by a red unit purposely in the first 2 battles and get down to the 50% HP threshold, and then he just starts flying across the battlefield obliterating enemies, accompanied by his best flight companion that is a WoM3 Olivia. Outside of the occasional needs to tackling some nasty Reinhardt counters (Julias, Felicias, etc.), my other team members (Lucina as a bonus char, and Hector) just function as portals for Escape Route. I can reliably finish most of the first 6 battles in 2 ~ 3 turns, 4 turns at max, because even those annoying trees and mountains can't block your flying Reinhardt. With that, when I reach the 7th battle I just need to be careful not to fuck up and lose units at the start. Speed won't be an issue here anymore and I have never got a non-A speed rating. I suppose Brave/Firesweep bow or quad builds might work even better then Rein but those are not luxuries I possess.
Well, with that said, a long ass grind is still a long ass grind. I seriously hope IS can tweak the score scale a bit so the next Tempest Trial could be less of a chore. Seriously, a perfect score should at least triple or quadruple the basic score
With all of these out of the way, it is time to come back to the stupid grindy Tempest BS. I can't decide on which to keep among my two accounts so I'm going to get Quickened Pulse for both of them. Currently my main is sitting at 30k+ and my alt at 25k+. As much as I have refined my strats and can pretty much achieve 705-point per run 9 times out of 10, it is still an insanely intense grind given that I have got 3 days left. Reinhardt with Escape Route 3 (not very useful outside of Tempest speed run, but Reinhardt has a bazillion of SP anyway) on my alt account is truly a godsend here. I just let him get hit by a red unit purposely in the first 2 battles and get down to the 50% HP threshold, and then he just starts flying across the battlefield obliterating enemies, accompanied by his best flight companion that is a WoM3 Olivia. Outside of the occasional needs to tackling some nasty Reinhardt counters (Julias, Felicias, etc.), my other team members (Lucina as a bonus char, and Hector) just function as portals for Escape Route. I can reliably finish most of the first 6 battles in 2 ~ 3 turns, 4 turns at max, because even those annoying trees and mountains can't block your flying Reinhardt. With that, when I reach the 7th battle I just need to be careful not to fuck up and lose units at the start. Speed won't be an issue here anymore and I have never got a non-A speed rating. I suppose Brave/Firesweep bow or quad builds might work even better then Rein but those are not luxuries I possess.
Well, with that said, a long ass grind is still a long ass grind. I seriously hope IS can tweak the score scale a bit so the next Tempest Trial could be less of a chore. Seriously, a perfect score should at least triple or quadruple the basic score
SliceSabre
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indigo-cyclops
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Wow I can't believe it but I just pulled 5* Lucina and 5* Nowi in the same batch...
Pics or it didn't happen!
I've still been sniping for Rein with free orbs and he's just not dropping for me, I have a TON of Jagens and Gwendys though.
I'm ready to go with Camus, but the funny thing is I haven't really set him up with arena SI yet. He's running Grani's Shield and Swordbreaker 2 for Tempest Trial, but I've never seen an anti-horse tome in arena and I'd probably be better off with something else in his B slot. I only have Fury 2 for him, and my only spare Vantage is on the only Reinhardt I've ever found (-atk of course).
On the upside, he's been with me for most of my 82,000 tempest trial points and has enough SP to do anything I want.
Next week's arena will just be a trial run for my cavalry team. My points don't matter as I plan to fall down to 18 again. But I'm curious what kind of teams I'll face and what points I'll get.
On the upside, he's been with me for most of my 82,000 tempest trial points and has enough SP to do anything I want.
Next week's arena will just be a trial run for my cavalry team. My points don't matter as I plan to fall down to 18 again. But I'm curious what kind of teams I'll face and what points I'll get.
I think I'm done with the GHB. I can't do Infernal with my current units, and every strategy I find either relies on units I don't have, or don't want to promote. Everyone's like "Use horse emblem", "use B. Cordelia", "use Hector" or "use Sanaki" when I don't have any of those units.
If it's just 2000 feathers + a unit I don't care about, then there's no reason to spend more than 2000 feathers trying to clear it.
I'll just focus on getting that quickened pulse and then stop grinding. The Tempest grind has really dampened my enjoyment of this game.
If it's just 2000 feathers + a unit I don't care about, then there's no reason to spend more than 2000 feathers trying to clear it.
I'll just focus on getting that quickened pulse and then stop grinding. The Tempest grind has really dampened my enjoyment of this game.
I'd probably be fine with the Tempest grind if the hero merit cap was 4000, lol. Bringing in Ursula has made it more bearable for now. I'll probably end up at 90,000, I don't have infinite free time.
Had a moment of weakness and thought I'd try for Reinhardt with 13 orbs. Came up with no blues. Message received, I'll go back to saving for the next banner and I'll live with Ursula.
I wonder if the rise of horse emblem will make her -wolf tome valuable at some point. Although with full buffs I think she actually does more damage with a blade tome. I feel like they'd have to add a damage reduction vs cavalry to those to make them viable.
Had a moment of weakness and thought I'd try for Reinhardt with 13 orbs. Came up with no blues. Message received, I'll go back to saving for the next banner and I'll live with Ursula.
I wonder if the rise of horse emblem will make her -wolf tome valuable at some point. Although with full buffs I think she actually does more damage with a blade tome. I feel like they'd have to add a damage reduction vs cavalry to those to make them viable.
SliceSabre
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Had a debate with a friend if I've got something her or that this is a 22k feather mistake in the making.
Part of it is is that I just really want to use Tiki despite her being +HP,-DEF
I'm not the biggest fan of Tiki, I think she's the weakest of all dragons. What's your reason for promoting her? Just curious.
I know how you feel. I've spent a lot trying to make ATiki work, with mixed success.
I'm not sure about that build. Yes, Tiki can probably hit hard enough to finish off people who are wounded, but she won't oneshot people without a double. Second, she gets doubled to death so easily by everyone that it may be hard to bring her into Defiant/Vantage range without something like Reciprocal Aid or Ardent Sacrifice.
IMO Tiki is good against dagger and bow users because of her high defense, but is generally terrible against mages because of her low speed and low res. Mages typically have decent res, so any fights usually end up in the mages' favor. I've had a lot of fights that are frustratingly bad on Tiki's end just because she either gets doubled to death (or procs enemy specials super fast because everyone doubles or quads her), while she doesn't quite do enough to kill in return. Basically, I've found that she needs to either double or have Bonfire ready in order to kill people reliably.
I put Axebreaker on Tiki to try helping with the GHB, and she leaves Legion with one freaking HP left. She requires the +atk seal and an attack buff to ORKO him.
If we're talking about ATiki builds, I can show you what I've been trying to do with my +def -spd ATiki:
A QR/counterkill-based build:
Defense 3
Quick Riposte 2
I ran this in arena and she's okay with it. High defense means that she stays in QR range for more than one fight, as long as you don't fight a magic user. Does great against every bow user except Klein (who quads and kills her with Glacies). Mostly acts as a Reposition bot until there's someone I can throw her up against. Azura can't ORKO her, despite type advantage and Sapphire Lance.
Trying to make Brash Assault work:
Ardent Sacrifice
Defiant Def 3
Brash Assault 3
(probably will throw Threaten Atk or Res in the C slot)
I haven't fielded this much because of how this build needs to waste a few turns getting her into Brash Assault range before she becomes useful, but it should work in theory. She gets 45 defense once Defiant Def kicks in, and then with a Fortify buff, she should be able to stop most physical attacks with minimal damage while doubling people in turn. This makes her distant counter less useful compared to the QR build though, so it might not be that useful.
I've also heard of people putting Triangle Adept on her to make her better at dealing with green mages.
I'm not sure about that build. Yes, Tiki can probably hit hard enough to finish off people who are wounded, but she won't oneshot people without a double. Second, she gets doubled to death so easily by everyone that it may be hard to bring her into Defiant/Vantage range without something like Reciprocal Aid or Ardent Sacrifice.
IMO Tiki is good against dagger and bow users because of her high defense, but is generally terrible against mages because of her low speed and low res. Mages typically have decent res, so any fights usually end up in the mages' favor. I've had a lot of fights that are frustratingly bad on Tiki's end just because she either gets doubled to death (or procs enemy specials super fast because everyone doubles or quads her), while she doesn't quite do enough to kill in return. Basically, I've found that she needs to either double or have Bonfire ready in order to kill people reliably.
I put Axebreaker on Tiki to try helping with the GHB, and she leaves Legion with one freaking HP left. She requires the +atk seal and an attack buff to ORKO him.
If we're talking about ATiki builds, I can show you what I've been trying to do with my +def -spd ATiki:
A QR/counterkill-based build:
Defense 3
Quick Riposte 2
I ran this in arena and she's okay with it. High defense means that she stays in QR range for more than one fight, as long as you don't fight a magic user. Does great against every bow user except Klein (who quads and kills her with Glacies). Mostly acts as a Reposition bot until there's someone I can throw her up against. Azura can't ORKO her, despite type advantage and Sapphire Lance.
Trying to make Brash Assault work:
Ardent Sacrifice
Defiant Def 3
Brash Assault 3
(probably will throw Threaten Atk or Res in the C slot)
I haven't fielded this much because of how this build needs to waste a few turns getting her into Brash Assault range before she becomes useful, but it should work in theory. She gets 45 defense once Defiant Def kicks in, and then with a Fortify buff, she should be able to stop most physical attacks with minimal damage while doubling people in turn. This makes her distant counter less useful compared to the QR build though, so it might not be that useful.
I've also heard of people putting Triangle Adept on her to make her better at dealing with green mages.
Technoweirdo
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I mean, if people can get Xander's horrendous 24 Spd, 17 Res to work, I see no reason why Adult Tiki can't work. Well, aside from the lack of Hone/Goad Dragons at the moment, but that'll change one day maybe.
Edit: In the meantime, TA+QR all the things. Or maybe TA+Green Tomebreaker because getting doubled by, say, -blade Cecilia suuuucks.
SliceSabre
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I wanted to get some use out of my red units. My current Star red unit is Eirika but she's honestly Nino's battery/baby sitter and not a huge threat on her own. I also has a Marth and Sanaki but they have been disappointments to be honest.
Plus I also just really like using the dragons. I would have promoted my (f) Corrin if she wouldn't also fill the role my Nowi already has.
I like ATiki too, but I feel like she's a weird sort of specialist that doesn't work as a replacement to a typical red sword. She's great against green melees, but has a near-fatal weakness to magic in exchange for being good against dagger and bow users.
If you want to stick with Eirika, try putting Triangle Adept (2 is fine) and Swordbreaker on her. It lets her kill Hector and any red lord who doesn't also have Swordbreaker, while making her a pretty decent green mage tank.
Actually, TA and Swordbreaker on any red sword makes them pretty good. I have that on Olivia and she's become pretty good in a fight.
If you want to stick with Eirika, try putting Triangle Adept (2 is fine) and Swordbreaker on her. It lets her kill Hector and any red lord who doesn't also have Swordbreaker, while making her a pretty decent green mage tank.
Actually, TA and Swordbreaker on any red sword makes them pretty good. I have that on Olivia and she's become pretty good in a fight.
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