Hyrule Warriors got a 76 metacritic and DQ Heroes got 77, this will likely end up around that area
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Fire Emblem Warriors Review Thread
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Hyrule Warriors got a 76 metacritic and DQ Heroes got 77, this will likely end up around that area
DecoReturns
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Next crossover should be Hyrule Warriors vs Fire Emblem Warriors for the laughs.
Toadthemushroom
Member
You can enjoy a bad game, or you can criticise a game that might cause enjoyment.
You should also question *why* people enjoy the games. For instance, people enjoy grinding in RPGs, or beating the same enemy over and over for a rare loot drop. Does that mean these systems shouldn't be criticised as lazy ways of padding out a game just because they psychologically make people feel good?
Edit: Funnily enough, as I wrote that, this cropped up: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1449711
Sounds good, the mechanical/tactical changes beyond what was in Hyrule Warriors seem pretty significant, so I'm looking forward to playing this eventually. Probably not until after I've gotten through Mario, Rabbids, and Xenoblade though since there are so few characters I care for. Hopefully Donnel is one of the DLC characters, fighting with various cooking implements rather than a lance
There's different mechanics that are more thematically connected to Fire Emblem. Weapon Triangle, team up attacks, support convos, permadeath, etc.
Hey, if this just leads to Super Smash Warriors, I wouldn't complain.
The Pet of the Month
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Pernadeath can be turned off, yes?
There is value in reviews by people who used to like a genre and are waiting for a reason to get back in. Letting people know this is not that game has value. Musou games used to have bigger audiences after all.
Sylverstone14
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I didn't even think permadeath was included, silly me...
I'm definitely getting the game this Friday.
I'm definitely getting the game this Friday.
mindatlarge
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kuroneko0509
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if you pick casual or change to it midway. you can't change back to classic btw
well you can revive them anyway w/o changing mode at a cost after certain shop upgrade
DeuceGamer
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Looks like it's getting pretty good reviews outside of the Metro review. Seems like that reviewer went into the game with his mind already made up. I understand somes games aren't for certain people, but as a professional reviewer I think you should go into a game with an open mind. That said, it's just a review and there are plenty of other reviews that give a better indication of what to expect.
Gai Murakumo
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That Metro review made me laugh. Sure of course this game has not radically changed the Warriors formula but it has survived what almost 20 years and they keep on selling so. Still excited to play this on Friday.
The Pet of the Month
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I did not know that last tidbit, thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
After playing Echoes and becoming frustrated I think I won't be going back to classic anytime soon.
Astral Dog
Member
I loved Awakening finished Hyrule Warriors and liked Fates yet i have almost hype for this game :/ good reviews but Pass.
WrenchNinja
Member
I don't know, it doesn't really sound that praise-y to me when melodrama, middle of the road, lazy, awkward, etc are used, and how little is gone into talking about the story overall. "Heralded as captivating stories" sounds kind of funny in light of that. Though I guess captivating isnt inherently a positive thing.
Why are you always acting like you're being attacked? I didn't say anything about whether those games were worth playing or not. I saw something I thought was funny in the FEW GameSpot review and as usual, someone has to start making this a thing because the honour of the 3DS games is at stake or something.
Astral Dog
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The stories are trash but i enjoy the characters, cutscenes (on the 3ds games) and dialogue 
I pretty much threw out their review when I scrolled down and saw this:
Are they a parody site? Because that's unprofessional
Astral Dog
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basically yes but it does have new content. Adventure Map covers the story of Awakening and Fates with voiced cutscenes, there are pair mechanics, permadeath, support stuff.
The Pet of the Month
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It's a tabloid so a bit of both.
dragonyeuw
Member
"Dynasty Warriors has always been rubbish."
I'd say the reviewer has never liked the series from the get-go based on the above quote.
hellishimp
Member
Some of the low scores are really unjustified imo. Its one of the best Musou games out there. The more I play it the more I feel its up there with Hyrule Warriors as the best example of the genre.
73 is a low MC score for it too.
73 is a low MC score for it too.
hellishimp
Member
I was thinking the same thing. FE games stopped delivering on the story imo since Awakening
Toadthemushroom
Member
Yes, GameCentral has historically given the series a drubbing with every new entry - unless the series changes its approach to entertaining its players I can't see their perspective changing. And that's fine.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Seriously I think this will go absolutely nowhere and in this thread we should take the opportunity to put this to rest, unless we want the thread to have more of "lol modern FE haters" v "lol modern FE martyrs" rubbish.
I'll reiterate again, your hatred for these games is your prerogative, you're well entitled to that, just maybe take it down a notch or two.
I certainly don't care at all for your opinions of me so less of those s'il vous plait.
James Scott
Banned
Thinking every mario game is the same doesnt really work in the same context. Musou games are also lower quality releases even in the action genre (vs Character action or action RPGs)
Also, Jim did give a Mario (Kart) game a low score for being similar which doesnt help his case much
mindatlarge
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You'd think the review aggregate sites would filter those kind of sites out, that doesn't seem to be doing a favor to game journalism or the publishers/developers if it's not a fair review. I'm all for varied opinions but not straight up trash.
Leafhopper
Banned
Why are people suddenly surprised that critics, generally, don't like musou games?
That's kinda been a thing.
You can't expect that anymore to be honest.
That's kinda been a thing.
You can't expect that anymore to be honest.
Toadthemushroom
Member
I really don't get the issues some are having with GameCentral's review on Metro.
Their negative perspective on the game is a perfectly valid one, and even with that score attached to the review you can still tell whether you'll enjoy it yourself.
If you like brainless combat where the games' systems aren't balanced to the point where you'll need to master them all the time then that's fine. But to the reviewer that's obviously a negative, and there's nothing wrong with that.
GameCentral has been going since 2003, and before that, since the mid 90's.
It replaced Digitiser on Teletext as GameCentral, and was originally edited by Tony Mott (the same Tony Mott that launched Edge magazine). When Teletext folded, Metro took them in. Very little has changed since.
Their negative perspective on the game is a perfectly valid one, and even with that score attached to the review you can still tell whether you'll enjoy it yourself.
If you like brainless combat where the games' systems aren't balanced to the point where you'll need to master them all the time then that's fine. But to the reviewer that's obviously a negative, and there's nothing wrong with that.
GameCentral has been going since 2003, and before that, since the mid 90's.
It replaced Digitiser on Teletext as GameCentral, and was originally edited by Tony Mott (the same Tony Mott that launched Edge magazine). When Teletext folded, Metro took them in. Very little has changed since.
nintendoman58
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Ugh I want this game but I want Mario Oddessy too.
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pretty done
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If you can only get one it's pretty damn obvious that it shouldn't be the Warriors game.
BanjoLayleeYookaKazooie
Banned
Metro Gamecentral is a good place with good people. They know what they're talking about most of the time. Just here they don't like the game. I don't think they deserve to be pilloried, the review was exactly what I expected at least.
Toadthemushroom
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Yeah, they've always used the full range of the scale and are critical for the right reasons.
Also worth noting that they were one of the few sources that criticised Paper Mario: Sticker Star heavily - ultimately reflecting the fan viewpoint on that game when people played it for themselves. It was well received elsewhere.
The Pet of the Month
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While I personally think every journalism site should be allowed to review a game, I do think review copies would have been better off being sent to the little guys as opposed to Metro.
I did not know their history, thanks for that.
I don't really have an issue with their score perse, it's the author's writing style and lack of professionalism. I'm not a fan of Dynasty Warriors and their style of games, but I think I'd have done a better job portraying that idea.
Still I appreciate their review as it gives a different perspective.
JimJamJones
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Question for anyone whose played it: does this have any major Echoes spoilers? I'm trying to beat it before Friday, and I don't really want to ruin it for myself.
absolutely not.
dragonyeuw
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I wasn't suggesting it wasn't fine, I was saying that it appears they never liked the game in response to the other poster saying they're looking for a reason to 'get back in'. Doesn't really look like they were 'in' to begin with. I'm not familiar with their reviews, so all I got from that is they really don't like that style of game. I've never played a Dynasty Warriors game either, so I can't really speak to how 'repetitive and shallow' the gameplay supposedly is until I try the game for myself.
JimJamJones
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Awesome, thanks!
Niceguydan8
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What in the world...
Well, people really will defend anything on GAF
If you hate racing games, chances are, you won't be reading Gran Turismo reviews. I certainly won't be reading multiple GT reviews, hoping to come across a review by someone who hates racing games like me. The whole idea is just silly.
I don't think there's much wrong with reviewing a game from the perspective of a person that previously didn't care for those specific types of games, as long as they contextualize it. "I have never cared for these sorts of games and this game doesn't change that" or something.
I do think the way the Metro reviewer dumped on all Warriors games is not the way to go about giving that review from a different point of view, but I do think it's valuable for people that either aren't fans because they don't like that genre of games or for players that don't know if they like that genre of game for whatever reason.
It has one!
Celica is playable, but the History Mode map you have to complete to unlock her is based off the final map in Gaiden. Which is also the same map as in Echoes, only it's the 8-bit version in Warriors.
But other than that she's basically a guest star.
Sir_Crocodile
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I enjoy musou when there's a good license attached.
I also always enjoy gamecentral (metro) musou reviews. Jenkins really doesn't like them and doesn't mince words about how he feels.
I also always enjoy gamecentral (metro) musou reviews. Jenkins really doesn't like them and doesn't mince words about how he feels.
bemusedchunk
Banned
the author of the metro review is my hero.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Yup, will buy
Their opinion is fine, it's just presented in a juvenile and unprofessional manner.
mindatlarge
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Yeah, anyone can review a game, I'm not saying that. My thought was maybe there should be a stricter policy enforced by Metacritic and the like in terms of which sites they include in their aggregate scores. Evaluated by a certain degree of professionalism in their writing overall.