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-= Front Mission: The Official Thread THE POWER OUTPUT IS TOO HIGH! =-
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Jamesfrom818
Banned
I just picked this up yesterday. The store clerks at EB didn't even know this game existed :lol . I've just finished the second mission and its pretty awesome so far. My one gripe is that I think the short weapon range should be 2 instead of 1 like melee. It feels a bit odd in mission battles, but works perfectly in arena fighting.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
I might get it as well, too, if I can find it.Prospero said:
I used to play a bit of Panzer General on my PC back in the 90s... Kind of nostalgic to see it again on the DS.
Between Panzer, Front Mission, ASH, and -- I think there were one or two others I was contemplating, Etrian Odyssey 2 perhaps -- there's such a nice tactical array of titles out or coming out now on the DS. Romance of the Three Kingdoms, too, if they'd just localize an English version.
Femmeworth
Banned
I got my copy today. 
Jamesfrom818
Banned
I was just wondering if there's any reason for me to not spam missiles with every character. They're just too damn good early in the game.
Beavertown
Garbage
Jamesfrom818 said:
Yeah, I have at least one on all my characters. I don't see any reason not to, at this point.
So I picked it up:
- Interface is really awesome. Giving the option of both touch and button control schemes is great.
- Using both screens to display mostly DATA is really useful for a strategy game.
- Great port, everything looks good, and the game is fast. It's even faster if you use the new options available on the DS version.
- It's... Front Mission.
- Interface is really awesome. Giving the option of both touch and button control schemes is great.
- Using both screens to display mostly DATA is really useful for a strategy game.
- Great port, everything looks good, and the game is fast. It's even faster if you use the new options available on the DS version.
- It's... Front Mission.
nakedsushi
Member
So far so good, but one annoying thing:
Sometimes it seems to lag between attacking an enemy and then the top screen actually showing the attack animations.
It's minor, but the lag time adds up.
Sometimes it seems to lag between attacking an enemy and then the top screen actually showing the attack animations.
It's minor, but the lag time adds up.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
I now have 20 hours of play time logged into this damn game. I find that the arena is great for a little grinding in the middle of the day while I'm at work. My only gripe with this game is the shop. I don't mind new weapons being available in the next town but having to customize new wanzers after almost every story battle is a bit annoying.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Just got it today, really like it so far. Touch interface bugs me, square enix continues its annoying theme of making you touch everything twice. If they'd just make the menu items bigger, you could just touch the item you want once. But no, you have to touch the item to highlight it, then touch it again to activate it. Also, rather than making the L button cycle through allies, you should just be able to hold it down and then select the ally. Other than that, the game's golden.
So I was wondering if I'm going to be able to finish this before the November onslaught of new games, and it looks like I don't have a chance. Apparently there's a total of
missions. And there are unlockables.
This is going to keep me busy for a while--November games will have to wait, until I finish at least one of the two storylines.
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This is going to keep me busy for a while--November games will have to wait, until I finish at least one of the two storylines.
Jamesfrom818
Banned
Why the hell are shotguns weaker, more accurate versions of rifles. Shotguns were my favorite weapons in FM3 but here its just so useless since you can just use Duel with a machine gun if you want to concentrate firepower on one part.
Couple questions i have about this game...
1. I can understand the rifles that do a good amount of damage on one part, but if i can't choose what part of the enemy mech i want to shoot then what's the point? Too many times it'll randomly shoot the part of the mech with a crapload of hp while the 'body' of the mech had like 2 hp and could have resulted in an instant kill.
2. Why is it that most of the time it seems that when i wager money in the arena, if i lose the battle, i lose the amount of money i wagered, but if i win the battle i'll only win a very small amount of money?
1. I can understand the rifles that do a good amount of damage on one part, but if i can't choose what part of the enemy mech i want to shoot then what's the point? Too many times it'll randomly shoot the part of the mech with a crapload of hp while the 'body' of the mech had like 2 hp and could have resulted in an instant kill.
2. Why is it that most of the time it seems that when i wager money in the arena, if i lose the battle, i lose the amount of money i wagered, but if i win the battle i'll only win a very small amount of money?
The money you earn depends on the odds of the fight, for example, the minimum 1.01, if you bet 100 you'll only get 1 more if you win the match. So if you win a match with odds of 3, you'll get 200 more on top of your 100 back.
Played like 5 hours of the game, but so far the battles still feel too random for me since you never know what part your attacks will hit. All you can do is setup your wanzers with the best equipment and just attack. The minimal differences between the wanzers you can have isn't helping either. What's the point of putting all those different weapons when there's one best type of each and money is readily available from the arena?
Also, are there any differences between a low W/P ratio to a high one as long it doesn't exceed 100?
Played like 5 hours of the game, but so far the battles still feel too random for me since you never know what part your attacks will hit. All you can do is setup your wanzers with the best equipment and just attack. The minimal differences between the wanzers you can have isn't helping either. What's the point of putting all those different weapons when there's one best type of each and money is readily available from the arena?
Also, are there any differences between a low W/P ratio to a high one as long it doesn't exceed 100?
Femmeworth
Banned
I'm five hours in and definitely enjoying it. I have a question though, why do short range weapons suck so much?
I have a question though, why do short range weapons suck so much?DeaconKnowledge
Member
The whole point is to tailor your Wanzers for every encounter you have. For instance if you're facing a lot of long range commanders you either build a long range mech or a meat shield short range with high mobility.Totakeke said:
Jamesfrom818
Banned
ninj4junpei said:I'm five hours in and definitely enjoying it.
Short weapons, mainly machine guns, become awesome once you get some skills. Duel allows you to aim at whatever part you want and is great for shooting off weapons and experience farming. Switch lets you fire off the short weapon in the other arm and Speed lets you fire off more shots with a machine gun.
EDIT: If you want to exp farm, shoot off the arms of a couple units on a mission that has a supply truck. Those units will run to the truck and fix their arms and have 1 health. Just shoot em off over and over again for a bunch of experience.
bluemax said:
Did you have it in your queue before the game released? I put it on mine a few days before the game came out and it shipped as soon as the game came out. With most new releases though if you don't have it on your queue before the game comes out, it's usually a week or two wait.
Femmeworth
Banned
Argh, mission 7 is a pain.
Edit: There seriously needs to be an option for weather. There's enough lag as it is.
Edit: There seriously needs to be an option for weather. There's enough lag as it is.
DeaconKnowledge said:
In all my battles I just focus on the long range mechs first with all my wanzers since they're the ones that could kill your retreating wanzers. What I do is I just have a mix of 3 short/3 melee/3 long wanzers every encounter and I haven't encountered a battle that I really needed an unbalanced mix. So there's basically three types of wanzers with short/melee being quite similar, other than the different abilities the pilots can learn from specializing. (Why do long range specs only have one ability ;( )
What's also backwards about tailoring your wanzers for a battle is that you need to go into the battle, look around, then reset then setup your wanzers again, the only thing mission intel is good for is to tell you whether there's a boss or not and what type it is. You would never know what terrain the battlefield is and the walker types are usually the safest (except for one sand level).
Not saying the game sucks, it is pretty good, especially for a remake of a game that was released a long time ago, just seems like the wanzer customization is sorta limited.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Hmmm? Odd slowdown, you say? I hadn't read about that before. I assume, not too much?ninj4junpei said:
Femmeworth
Banned
Actually, on mission 7, there is slowdown with the attack animations because of the rain.jj984jj said:
Femmeworth
Banned
In all honesty, I stopped noticing after a couple of minutes.Symytry said:I was probably enjoying the game too much to have noticed
KyanMehwulfe
Member
Well, pre-Xeno, he basically just did graphical elements--period. Then, with the Xeno series, he's had his chance to show his creative writing.
So two very different facets distinctly seperated as pre-Xeno and post-Xeno.
So two very different facets distinctly seperated as pre-Xeno and post-Xeno.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
OK, two part question.
1: Am I the only one who got a Nintendo WFC connection instruction book in their copy of Front Mission?
2: If not, does that make anybody else as bitter and annoyed as me?
1: Am I the only one who got a Nintendo WFC connection instruction book in their copy of Front Mission?
2: If not, does that make anybody else as bitter and annoyed as me?
Incredibly addictive game.
Hope they clean up the interface a little in the future installments (faster dialogue and dialogue skip), more variety in the top info screen in combat (can be confusing at times), and don't bother with touch screen controls unless they really think it through. Also, my 1st Front Mission game was on PS2 so I hope they can implement more variety in attacks, skills, and parts.
Great game, can't wait for more.
Hope they clean up the interface a little in the future installments (faster dialogue and dialogue skip), more variety in the top info screen in combat (can be confusing at times), and don't bother with touch screen controls unless they really think it through. Also, my 1st Front Mission game was on PS2 so I hope they can implement more variety in attacks, skills, and parts.
Great game, can't wait for more.
When you get the Guided skill ability later on, it's gonna make the battles much more strategic and fast (you can then aim for parts). I still don't know what the shotgun or flamethrower advantage is over a rifle, thou.Totakeke said:
Every 10% of un-used power, you get 1 extra movement. A high powered melee mech with no weapons and just shield can move around the map incredibly fast.
electricpirate
Member
Is this LTTP yet? 11 hours in, totally addicted. I love how the game slowly ramps up the strategy required. Early on you can spam missles, but as you get farther the weight reqs prevent it. As you get more skills the handed weapons become more important. As you get building wanzers with roles becomes more and more important. This game does an amazing job of ramping into the strategy, without doing so obtrusively, holding your hand too much, or long tutorials.
The grinding is just right also, a few arena battles for EXP and money here and there, but mostly it's all interesting story battles.
Miuha is such a beast, First-> Double-> stun! all in one round decmiates pretty much anything. When do skills level up, is it based on overall exp, or amount of times the skill is triggered (double/switch) or used (Guide/Duel)?
The grinding is just right also, a few arena battles for EXP and money here and there, but mostly it's all interesting story battles.
Miuha is such a beast, First-> Double-> stun! all in one round decmiates pretty much anything. When do skills level up, is it based on overall exp, or amount of times the skill is triggered (double/switch) or used (Guide/Duel)?
I had been greatly anticipating Front Mission's release on DS and I purchased it day 1, but I have only gotten to playing it now (I'm about 5 hours in). I admittedly had high hopes, but so far my experience has been at best mixed. The visual and audio presentation are great. This is Front Mission through and through. Unfortunately, I am less impressed with the battle system. Being the first game in the series, I wasn't expecting it to be as polished as FM3, but this just feels primitive by comparison.
-The attack range balance is awful. Machine guns, melee weapons, rifles, shotguns, and flamethrowers all have a range of 1 space? Whats the point? In FM3, melee had a range of 1, flamer 2, shotgun 3, machine gun 4, and rifle 6. Machine guns are the only multi-hit short-range weapon- meaning that all of the other weapons are essentially identical to melee weapons. From a strategic standpoint there are only 3 short-range weapons: machine guns, bazookas (taking the place of rifles from the later games), and melee/rifle/shotgun/flame.
-The Wanzer weight restrictions are completely unbalanced. I am only 5 hours in, so this may improve as the game goes on, but this is just ridiculous. I have my main character equipped with a weapon in each hand, a launcher on each shoulder, and legs with the best possible mobility. That is not balanced. What is the point of weight restrictions if you can simply equip all of the best possible weapons and parts at the same time? Money limitations serve to balance this somewhat, but why even bother with weight restrictions if your only concern is money?
-The lack of attack-range and attack-accuracy information in battle is greatly missed. These are much more minor concerns (and may actually be my own fault). Is there a way to indicate the opponent's mobility/attack range? Having been raised on the Advanced Wars series and the later Front Mission games, I have come to expect indicators of the enemy's effective attack distance. In playing both series, a check of the enemy's attack range is how I always start my turn. Even without conveniently colored-in tiles, one can still count tiles to judge missile distances but there is no way to indicate their mobility, which varies from wanzer to wanzer. It is also frustrating that accuracy is not displayed attack by attack. Accuracy is a huge part of the Front Mission series. Both in weapon selection and positioning around the battlefield. Not having this information available greatly reduces the precision of strategic gameplay.
-The attack range balance is awful. Machine guns, melee weapons, rifles, shotguns, and flamethrowers all have a range of 1 space? Whats the point? In FM3, melee had a range of 1, flamer 2, shotgun 3, machine gun 4, and rifle 6. Machine guns are the only multi-hit short-range weapon- meaning that all of the other weapons are essentially identical to melee weapons. From a strategic standpoint there are only 3 short-range weapons: machine guns, bazookas (taking the place of rifles from the later games), and melee/rifle/shotgun/flame.
-The Wanzer weight restrictions are completely unbalanced. I am only 5 hours in, so this may improve as the game goes on, but this is just ridiculous. I have my main character equipped with a weapon in each hand, a launcher on each shoulder, and legs with the best possible mobility. That is not balanced. What is the point of weight restrictions if you can simply equip all of the best possible weapons and parts at the same time? Money limitations serve to balance this somewhat, but why even bother with weight restrictions if your only concern is money?
-The lack of attack-range and attack-accuracy information in battle is greatly missed. These are much more minor concerns (and may actually be my own fault). Is there a way to indicate the opponent's mobility/attack range? Having been raised on the Advanced Wars series and the later Front Mission games, I have come to expect indicators of the enemy's effective attack distance. In playing both series, a check of the enemy's attack range is how I always start my turn. Even without conveniently colored-in tiles, one can still count tiles to judge missile distances but there is no way to indicate their mobility, which varies from wanzer to wanzer. It is also frustrating that accuracy is not displayed attack by attack. Accuracy is a huge part of the Front Mission series. Both in weapon selection and positioning around the battlefield. Not having this information available greatly reduces the precision of strategic gameplay.
Schopenhauer
Member
I beat Royd's scenario a few days ago. I really enjoyed it and will jump back in to play Kevin's scenario after I take a little break.