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Fumito Ueda talks ICO, SotC, and The Last Guardian
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Vigilant Walrus
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MYE said:
Damn, man. Thanks for giving me confidence for not being some insane person! +1 To you chap.
It amazes me how some people like to police control of other people opinion.
After watching there team score a goal, some people;
Jump up in the air with both hands and shouting GOOOOOOOOOOOAL
Some like to be quite but pump there fist.
some like to clap out loud
some just smile
Is there an appropriate reaction of the above?
If there is one kind of gamers that bothers me more than troll, that is the self elite police of hyperbole control.
After watching there team score a goal, some people;
Jump up in the air with both hands and shouting GOOOOOOOOOOOAL
Some like to be quite but pump there fist.
some like to clap out loud
some just smile
Is there an appropriate reaction of the above?
If there is one kind of gamers that bothers me more than troll, that is the self elite police of hyperbole control.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Vigilant Walrus said:
I have no idea what you're talking about with the hipster/jock who played Ico.
I agree with you that the fanbase has built up these games a great deal, and if you played them for the first time without knowing their acclaim, you might not have such a transcendent experience. (Indeed, you could not see what the fuss is about even if you were well aware of the acclaim.) That's fair enough.
I disagree that people would have been swooning over the animation in Trico no matter what it actually was. If it sucked, plenty of people would have been surprised and disappointed about it precisely because of their heightened expectations. And I think they would have been very vocal about it. But, fortunately, it actually is the best (i.e. most lifelike) animation ever put in a game. If you can find an example that matches or exceeds it, by all means post it.
Pinko Marx
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beast786 said:
Except the post in question would be more like watching a guy kick a soccer ball and equate it to seeing Jesus' resurrection.
Pinko Marx
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John said:
Pause.
Pinko Marx
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beast786 said:
The analogy.
Your head.
Vigilant Walrus
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hey_it's_that_dog said:
Well, I agree with you. SOTC, had great animations. The control and feel of the horse really felt amazing to me. It's up there with the Warthog and the wonky Halo 1 physics for me for sure, so of course Trico has great animations.
But I can't help help shake the feeling of stuff being played to much into this. Kinda like SOTC. "ohh you should see it.. there are no enemies but its incredible because every part of the game is the best ever". It's a great game. In fact it's fantastic, but people start reading too much into it, and over analyze it.
I'm reading these comments on playstation blogs comparing the facial expressions of the griffon like it is the epotime of human emotion ever put in something "art related".
Resident Evil 4 is a great game, but because it came out for a system at a time that really needed a mature action title, the hyperbole apeshit fanboy insanity got a few extra notches up into unreal realm of reasoning. That's my feeling.
Again, I see them as amazing games, and Ueda is someone I am interested in because he has a different take on storytelling, than some of my other favorites like Kojima, but I don't know if I think he is a great game designer.
I don't think this is being elitistic like beast786 is implying. I'm not implying to be some sort of real Ico/SOTC fan. But yeah, extremists annoy me, in anything. It annoys me because it's not fun to read, it's not rational. Being pro or anti extremists, is not the issue. the hypers are just as harmful as the haters. Particularly when the hypers turn their ultra hype into hate on the lesser games.
As for better animation? I don't know what would be better? what qualifies as better animation? I don't know much about animation. I know that the bird and the dog in the Pixar film Up, really made me laugh. I felt the timing of their humorous animations were good depictions... And I guess I laughed and was entertained because its understandable. Those animators did a great job, recapturing an actual bird and dog. But others hate Up, so maybe I am unusually retarded.
I also think the Dog from HL2 was great. That was really well animated. I think Altair from Assassins Creed was really well done. I too think the Griffon is great. But I am not crying, like Trico and Ueda just assassinated the Neverending story and all my childhood dreams.:/
yeah so this is a response to the hype surrounding trico from many outlets since it's first showing.. and even before.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Vigilant Walrus said:
Sometimes I'm tempted to roll my eyes when Team Ico games are trotted out as great art (particularly when people don't feel the need to justify that position) but I try not to let overexcited people bother me much. I definitely have gotten over the impulse to like or dislike something because its followers/fans behave a certain way. I'm not tempted to point out the fawning because it doesn't accomplish anything.
I'm sympathetic to the idea of suggesting other factors that lead to people's extreme appreciation of games, as you have with Resident Evil 4, but unfortunately you're wrong in this case, because it is in fact the best game.
(And I never owned a Gamecube, and I even thought it looked boring when I watched videos.)
Vigilant Walrus
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apana said:
Elite police are those you call when backtrack police gets out of hand. We need dem elites to control dese streetz!
I can't be elite. I like Metal Gear Solid. It wouldn't work. If I was truly a elitistic person, my personality would be like two paradoxes having sex. And those two paradoxes would have a child... which is rightness. I'll name him Richard the Right.
Vigilant Walrus
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hey_it's_that_dog said:Sometimes I'm tempted to roll my eyes when Team Ico games are trotted out as great art (particularly when people don't feel the need to justify that position) but I try not to let overexcited people bother me much. I definitely have gotten over the impulse to like or dislike something because its followers/fans behave a certain way. I'm not tempted to point out the fawning because it doesn't accomplish anything.
I'm sympathetic to the idea of suggesting other factors that lead to people's extreme appreciation of games, as you have with Resident Evil 4, but unfortunately you're wrong in this case, because it is in fact the best game.
Dude you can't strafe!!! YOU CAN'T STRAFE! Ohh my god! NOOOOOOO! Resi 4 had to use it's own deformations to add excitement and suspense to the gameplay. I promise you gears of war or ninja gaiden would be more tense or suspenseful if the main playable characters where limbing or couldnt move while attacking, but it would not make them better games.
hey_it's_that_dog
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Vigilant Walrus said:
No it wouldn't make them better games. They would be much worse. However, Resident Evil 4 was designed to be internally consistent, so it's not a problem.
Your job is to explain coherently why not being able to strafe is inherently bad. I never had a problem with the controls in RE4 and I don't think they need defending. So if you're attacking the people who say "it adds tension," well, maybe it does, but I'm not one of those people.
sublimit said:
Dude, if anything in TLG's OST is half as good as Burwell's Miller's Crossing theme we can consider ourselves very lucky.
And... Disney-esque?
MoonsaultSlayer
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Nevermind.... I don't even care to get upset about this.
sublimit
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Loudninja said:
Obviously.
Loudninja said:
We can never be sure what kind of tone the in-game music will have until we play it.I was just expressing my concern.
Loudninja said:
Well good for you but i don't.
I think the chosen themes had a very straightforward tone to portray emotional situations something that i'm not very fond of.It reminds me of Hollywood and Disney.
In my opinion they could have find some more subtle music choices to fit the trailers.
I really don't see no reason to be concern?I don't think they let you down yet have they?sublimit said:Obviously.
We can never be sure what kind of tone the in-game music will have until we play it.I was just expressing my concern.
Well good for you but i don't.
I think the chosen themes had a very straightforward tone to portray emotional situations something that i'm not very fond of.It reminds me of Hollywood and Disney.
In my opinion they could have find some more subtle music choices to fit the trailers.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
MoonsaultSlayer said:
I don't doubt your sincerity. I never said people were faking anything for the sake of a bandwagon. You're just getting dangerously close to Heroes of the Web territory.
Vigilant Walrus
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Michan said:
Fueled by the blood of Keanu Reeves
http://landondonovan.com/donovan/indexapana said:
sublimit
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Loudninja said:I really don't see no reason to be concern?I don't think they let you down yet have they?
There's no other developer that i trust more than Team Ico.
But still we live in a time that most Japanese developers are desperate to appeal to western and broader markets as much as possible...
Lets say i'm cautiously concerned and hope they prove me wrong on that aspect.
Don't get wrong though...Apart from the music choices i liked everything in the trailers and things like this get me very optimistic about the game.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
sublimit said:There's no other developer that i trust more than Team Ico.
But still we live in a time that most Japanese developers are desperate to appeal to western and broader markets as much as possible...
Lets say i'm cautiously concerned and hope they prove me wrong on that aspect.
Don't get wrong though...Apart from the music choices i liked everything in the trailers and things like this get me very optimistic about the game.
Fortunately, the appeal of animals is universal, so if they're really going deep into the "build a relationship with this animal" direction, it should be similarly popular in the East and the West (or similarly unpopular, if you are a pessimist).
TheKaeptain
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whomever does the OT for TLG needs to do a mock picture of him now, ten years ago, and with some famous Japanese person from a long time ago. Just for lulz.soldat7 said:
sublimit
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hey_it's_that_dog said:
Food is universal too and it's similarly popular in the East and the West.However each country has its own traditional cousine that not every man in the world likes.
Except of course if we're talking about fast food which is something that is designed to appeal to as many people as possible.
It's not about "building a relationship with this animal" it's about the WAY that someone decides to portray this relationship.
Two different movie directors could portray this relationship very differently.Therefore the way you portray something universal is not as universal as you might think.Music is just one of the tools someone uses to give its own unique identity to a common theme.
StealthGoblin
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Landon Donovan is average. Landon Donovan in a Ueda thread. There is something you'd never expect.
MYE said:
Well at least you didnt say Ueda and Sonic. :lol If that happened we would need to nuke this thread. Also someone mentioned that this game is trying to appeal to the west because of disney sounding music. What does that mean? Is the implication that Sony are trying to market this as a family friendly game?