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But, you know, there's also our google overlords to appease.
No more Autumn videos?
Acerac
Banned
I had posted earlier how the same hotel the Mets were at was hosting AnthroCon in 2009... well the same thing happened to the Milwaukee Brewers in 2007!
Article here
Several players reported hearing loud animal noises late at night, and "groaning"... Needles to say, the Brewers went on to lose 2 of 3 that week to Pittsburgh. Baseball comic The Dugout gave their own hilarious perspective of the whole incident.
Sound and Furry
The picture just makes the story, really.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
If all art was the one posted by Uchip I'd quit furry in a heartbeat.
The author is hiimdaisy (aka peachifruit), the girl behind the PW/MGS/PS spoof comics.
unfortunately even the cute pics are often suggestive
not impossible though
I dont like anything thats been posted but im still here
nicoga3000
Saint Nic
Might I ask where you're finding these? Some of them are really adorable! I know some people don't like them, but whatever - it's all about personal taste.
Might I ask where you're finding these? Some of them are really adorable! I know some people don't like them, but whatever - it's all about personal taste.
just uploading lol
you can probably find a lot of them in artists favourites on DA/Pixiv or even tumblr
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Man, short noses, kinda makes you wonder why they draw them as anthro when they could easily be just human. Still yet to see someone draw females normally with long muzzles.
they have the fur, they have the ears and tails and noses, personality quirks, even the mouth sometimes doesn't look human at all
they probably draw the face that way to maintain expressiveness and human emotion without looking like a starfox type niche
alternative answer: Man, animal faces, makes you wonder why they draw them as anthro at all when they could just be animals
Prax
Member
Yeah, according to her tumblr, it's influenced by a lot of styles, but includes the Kirby series and Wind Waker.
With the chalkboard/pastel-esque style, it reminds me a lot of the storybook sequences in Super Mario Galaxy actually!
Yeah, that's how I feel. They just look like humans with patterned skin (and ears and tail, I guess). It's just easier to give them human expressions if their facial structure is more human. Plus, longer muzzles are harder to put into perspective properly.
It's alright though.. Keep it up Uchip. As you can see, plenty of people appreciate what you like!
And as I said I would, I made my snowy anthro pic! Too bad it took me like 4 hours to do. Blehh.. Now I am hungry.
Solar Cat (lion) and Dysta (squirrel):
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I think we have very different definitions then
She is damn good.
Personally, my character's been done in a much more human style and it just seemed... wrong. But the ones Uchip posted, seem totally fine. (Though the first and fourth feel more "anime" than "furry" for whatever reason...) So I dunno, maybe it's per-character to me or more dependent on the overall art style.
ColtraineGF
Member
Well, I didn't mention it before when you posted that lineart a while ago, but your art is very goodAnd as I said I would, I made my snowy anthro pic! Too bad it took me like 4 hours to do. Blehh.. Now I am hungry.
Solar Cat (lion) and Dysta (squirrel):
I don't really mind facial types too much, as long as the art is interesting. Button noses just make me think of the types of noses you'd see on certain Disney characters.
DonMigs85
Member
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
you're allowed to have bad taste. :3
That said it is funny to see uchip calling for tolerance of an unpopular taste here.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That is very impressive Prax.
Well, I've got my HDD back, and it sounds worse than a 360 DVD drive. Loud and grindy.
Didn't realize HDD's had jumped so much in cost either. So it may be a bit before I get my TigerSpeedoMan out in the open.
Well, I've got my HDD back, and it sounds worse than a 360 DVD drive. Loud and grindy.
Didn't realize HDD's had jumped so much in cost either. So it may be a bit before I get my TigerSpeedoMan out in the open.
im an entrepreneur
That said it is funny to see uchip calling for tolerance of an unpopular taste here.
people didnt like my criticism of perverted ponies so i left the thread indefinitely
not sure how i was the one in the wrong though
Prax
Member
Thanks for the compliments, guys! I will try not to get a big head from it! I will attempt to draw soemthing Uchip-approved since I enjoy the challenge.. and human + ears should be easy, right??
I am sure for example, if Fran from FF12 was drawn more rabbit-like, it would look off since she's very human in her original design.
AS SEEN HERE! Yay! Cute animals!
Pay no mind to the 3 humans. They were dolls and were obviously badguys. xD Oh, and the two clowns. But clowns aren't human. Obviously!
Yeah, I think it's just really how you think the character should look.She is damn good.
Personally, my character's been done in a much more human style and it just seemed... wrong. But the ones Uchip posted, seem totally fine. (Though the first and fourth feel more "anime" than "furry" for whatever reason...) So I dunno, maybe it's per-character to me or more dependent on the overall art style.
I am sure for example, if Fran from FF12 was drawn more rabbit-like, it would look off since she's very human in her original design.
Button noses remind me of stuffed animals. That was also the inspiration for most of my anthros originally.. back when I was 5. >__>Well, I didn't mention it before when you posted that lineart a while ago, but your art is very good
I don't really mind facial types too much, as long as the art is interesting. Button noses just make me think of the types of noses you'd see on certain Disney characters.
AS SEEN HERE! Yay! Cute animals!
Pay no mind to the 3 humans. They were dolls and were obviously badguys. xD Oh, and the two clowns. But clowns aren't human. Obviously!
I already posted that
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I forgot to mention.
I blame my furrydom on Ninjara from the Archie TMNT series.
I blame my furrydom on Ninjara from the Archie TMNT series.
DonMigs85
Member
She is not a mutation... She's the real thing
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And those artists completely warped my little monkey brain with some of those curves.
DonMigs85
Member
there were threads?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And who can forget Monsterex
I was a bigger fan of Dreadmon mon.
Or Cudley the Cowlick.
Acerac
Banned
None that have lasted this long.
Alright furryGAF I guess I’ll throw down.
As much as the internet likes to rag on furries/anthropomorphic things in general I do think some of the stuff out there is well done, and actually looks really good when in a cartoon or fantasy setting. Miktar shared some of his work a ways back and I’m actually kind of disappointed nobody commented on it as it’s exactly one the styles I’m talking about. (I’m just going to quote the two I thought were pretty cool if that’s alright)
Where it starts to get weird for me is when people go for realism with anthro characters or emphasize sexual characteristics, which for some reason seem to go hand in hand. There was some brief discussion awhile back where you guys talked about how people don’t really seem to care all that much about sexualizing aliens yet are instantly repulsed by the notion of furry porn, and the idea was thrown around that people’s familiarity with the animals furries base their characters off of hit too close to home or caused assumptions of bestiality and I truly think that’s it. Back when ME2 came out and I use to browse the Bioware forums (may god have mercy on my soul) seeing people chat it up about which of the alien characters they had their Shepard sleep with was basically a daily discussion and I barely bat an eyelash, yet I’d be lying if I said some of the pictures in this thread didn’t make me more than a little uncomfortable.
All that said I do have a question I was hoping to get answered. Just what is the extent of the furry persona? Is it just an online identity/avatar people use to portray themselves?
As much as the internet likes to rag on furries/anthropomorphic things in general I do think some of the stuff out there is well done, and actually looks really good when in a cartoon or fantasy setting. Miktar shared some of his work a ways back and I’m actually kind of disappointed nobody commented on it as it’s exactly one the styles I’m talking about. (I’m just going to quote the two I thought were pretty cool if that’s alright)
Anthro characters are great like this. You can use the added animal traits to further define or emphasize emotions, or if you’re creating a story and need to quickly portray a characters disposition you can typecast them to an animal of a similar nature. The slow but wise old man takes on the traits of a tortoise, the crafty or sly characters are easily associated with foxes, the lazy with sloths, etc. I actually was assigned to a project some time ago where during a brainstorm someone came up with the idea of portraying a group of lawyers as a pack of ravenous wolves which I thought was pretty great.
Where it starts to get weird for me is when people go for realism with anthro characters or emphasize sexual characteristics, which for some reason seem to go hand in hand. There was some brief discussion awhile back where you guys talked about how people don’t really seem to care all that much about sexualizing aliens yet are instantly repulsed by the notion of furry porn, and the idea was thrown around that people’s familiarity with the animals furries base their characters off of hit too close to home or caused assumptions of bestiality and I truly think that’s it. Back when ME2 came out and I use to browse the Bioware forums (may god have mercy on my soul) seeing people chat it up about which of the alien characters they had their Shepard sleep with was basically a daily discussion and I barely bat an eyelash, yet I’d be lying if I said some of the pictures in this thread didn’t make me more than a little uncomfortable.
All that said I do have a question I was hoping to get answered. Just what is the extent of the furry persona? Is it just an online identity/avatar people use to portray themselves?
That's pretty sweet too. Monster hunter right?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
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All the Autumn videos!!
<3
Mine reached page 10 *shades*
ColtraineGF
Member
Probably because aliens are usually considered part of that other geek culture, centered around space and science fiction. That's been around for decades, so it's sort of had its period of develpment, mostly off the internet. Concerning aliens, people think it's perfectly fine to get with a hot alien space babe. Or space guy, for the fangirls (I'm sure more exist now than back then). It can be odd, because conceptually, most popular aliens are still unhuman species, anthromorphized for our benefit.
It would depend on the person, really. To some, it is pretty much just another avatar through which you interact with the internet, like posting under a certain username. To others, it is a personality which they find fun to roleplay as, with their appearance and behavior dependent on what creature they think emphasizes the face they want to show to people, imaginary or not. Or, they just like being kinky.
How far they throw themselves into the personality would depend on their own personal situation. Maybe they find it much easier to express themselves through it than their own selves. Maybe they find themselves uninteresting normally, and they seek attention through interacting in another form. Maybe they don't like the life they're living right now, and the persona is a form of escape.
So, just like an alternative personality, except furry-themed.
Vulcans are pretty much space elves, and highly sexualized fantasy-world women are another nerd staple.
ColtraineGF
Member
Maybe the differentiating thing is the source used to construct other non-humans.
Like say, an elf is just a person with pointy ears, magic, and haughty personality optional. Pixies and fairies are tiny people with gossamer wings. Most commonly liked aliens are human-like, with fantastic modifications. All of them have an element of unknown, even when the source of the modifications are animal-inspired, and they end up being idealized exotic subjects.
But if you have an anthropomorphic wolf, or leopardess, an observer's mind will turn to that source, and wonder why anyone would even think of these creatures like that. Since they are already familiar with it, they find it weird that what they think of as an animal is being treated as human (or sentient), drawn in a human form, or given human personality and mannerisms. They may see it as interfering with their own perspective on what an animal is, instead of treating it as a fantastical construction. Even if it's a form that is not recognizable as any sort of animal (like just a mash of different body types to make something new), because of the connotation of furry with animal, they'd have the same perspective.
Of course, this doesn't count for those people who dislike it just because.
You also have stuff like mermaids and demons though. Mermaids are based on fish and the top half may or may not be 100% normal. Demons are frequently depicted with various animal imagery, like horns, bat wings, and such. Vampires are to a lesser extent because even though they do employ primarily bat imagery it's usually just fangs.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
I'm trying (and failing) to think of a Baphomet joke :|
Those fall under the field of cryptozoology, which I think is a mostly separate topic. Tales of fantastic creatures and demi-humans have been persistent throughout recorded history.
They may not be exactly the same but they're variations on the human form.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
While I'm quoting your post here, my thoughts are a bit jumbled and related to a few other posts up thread. In no particular order:
* Even the notion that people have an "inherent" confused response to an anthropomorphic animal that is too realistic can be subjective and a product of cultural bias. In some of the explanations of such, I sort of detect a trace of insecurity at human-to-animal relations. The rational seems based in people's discomfort at a "lower" creature being given equal status to a human in a way that is somehow meant to be taken seriously, and not as an abstracted cartoon. But, for example, is this really just a western attitude, say?
* The Japanese and/or asian traditions of using animal-human characters, including for drama or "serious" purposes seems quite comfortable with the imagery. But, and this relates to some of your comments about certain styles of anthro art, the "kemono" tradition is all about using an animal representation to emphasize the traits of a character, or of a human being. As was explained by a Japanese fan of anime one time, the reason why you will see, in an otherwise human cast, some big gruff anthropomorphic dragon character cast as a military general without any explanation for WHY there's a dragon dude in the room, is because that thematically literalizes the character. The viewer familiar with the kemono tradition wouldn't bat an eyelash at it or feel strangely uncomfortable.
* The art that was quoted from Miktar has the spin it does because, speaking of the kemono archetype, that's the spirit in which the art was created. Yes, there is a different mentality there compared to some other orders of anthro or "furry" art. Even if the characters or situations cross over into territory that would be considered sexualized, the convergence doesn't always create the same results.
* Of course, I can't help but ponder that, there can be a hypocrisy going on at times... because people will read in a special layer of discomfort to an anthro character that is presented in the exact same terms - or milder! - as another kind of character. Cheesecake of an anime chick with huge boobs goes remarkably unnoticed, or elicits a snigger. A "furry" character in the same situation, can create a seemingly out of proportion reaction compared to what people let fly. One can say it's because of familiarity with the animal source, sure... even if a valid point, it doesn't mean it's not some form of hypocrisy
* On the whole notion of avatars and personas... it's entirely personal really and runs a gamut. It's a "cool image" avatar for a lot of people, essentially a visualization of a nick or handle. For other people it may mean something different. It could represent a visualization of what they feel are significant aspects their personality, traits. It could be a form of personal role play, could not be. Frankly, it some cases it could be a preferred self image; one that strikes an interesting and probably underexamined kind of taboo in many folks, who may find the idea incomprehensible. But then, in my own opinion, many people are messed up enough as-is to not be comfortable in their own skins, and find the notion of someone shedding theirs (even metaphorically) hits too close to home. So they externalize and project their discomfort... and the "furry persona" thing is coincidentally enough, perfect for triggering a fit in people whom feel certain things being stirred they'd rather not touch.
I'm not trying to get into armchair psychology with the last point, but it's hard to avoid. Over time, I'v seen way, way too many remarkably disproportionate reactions to people adopting another creature (whatever it is) as a self image, to not feel the people freaking out are revealing more about their own psychology than the people they're targeting. So many projected accusations of personality disorders and low self esteem and crazy theories about childhood, for chrissake; shit the offended observer has no business theorizing about. When often the person who is, supposedly, screwed up demonstrates every sign of being a lot happier than the people grooming exaggerated displays of repulsion.
Oh shit typing again, running away now.
Kaijima: Kemono is animal. Kimono is clothing.
Also, yeah, the reactions just become wildly unjustified relative to similar subjects, like I've seen a few people get really upset at Uchip's avatar. Then again, you also have CHEEZMO throwing whiny fits at anime styled art.
Also, yeah, the reactions just become wildly unjustified relative to similar subjects, like I've seen a few people get really upset at Uchip's avatar. Then again, you also have CHEEZMO throwing whiny fits at anime styled art.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Then again, you also have CHEEZMO throwing whiny fits at anime styled art.
Hey now!
Most anime is alright looking, but some styles just really unsettle me for some reason.
Edit: Is it me, or is that sentence all kinds of wonky?
Double edit:
Quality.
I like nice artwork so here are some:
All from this artist: http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=65053
Big ears are cute.
All from this artist: http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=65053
Big ears are cute.