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[lem0n]

I'm not saying there isn't occasionally shitposting. I'm saying I'd prefer that over hyper strict moderation that suppresses dissenting opinions. Whether or not you can choose to ignore idiocy isn't my problem. And judging by how defensive you are off the bat is telling.

Yuuuuuuuuuuup. Agreed 1000%

 

[mantidor]

It's hard to tell to be honest since trolling is still in high rates for obvious reasons, I thought it would take less time for the dust to settle but it seems that is not the case for now.

 

[OmegaZero]

I check in on GAF a week later and it seems anything but "more civil". Console warriors running rampant, crude exchanges of personal insults, porn gifs, and an influx of rude junior members with clear agendas. This thread has examples but I find a similar lack of civility skimming through threads in both OT and Gaming.

I was never the most involved member but I enjoyed lurking enough to check GAF once a day (shout out to VitaGAF for being awesome). Good on those posters struggling to maintain a sense of order but imo the quality of discourse in newGAF is noticeably worse and will remain so until GAF gets a fleshed out moderation team.
Hope everyone has a great week regardless.

 

[George Washington]

I check in on GAF a week later and it seems anything but "more civil". Console warriors running rampant, crude exchanges of personal insults, porn gifs, and an influx of rude junior members with clear agendas. This thread has examples but I find a similar lack of civility skimming through threads in both OT and Gaming.

I was never the most involved member but I enjoyed lurking enough to check GAF once a day (shout out to VitaGAF for being awesome). Good on those posters struggling to maintain a sense of order but imo the quality of discourse in newGAF is noticeably worse and will remain so until GAF gets a fleshed out moderation team.
Hope everyone has a great week regardless.

Thanks for your honesty. Let’s see what happens with a new mod team.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I occasionally check in to see how GAF is doing.
If you see the current state of GAF and truly think it's more 'civil', I have to question your experience with the old GAF in the first place.

There's been an unquestionable massive uptick of shit-flinging, members insulting eachother, blatant trolling and racism/alt-right shit.
OT especially is like a discussion warzone and gaming side is filled with incessant insults and console warring with language that wouldn't be tolerated on old-GAF ever.
It's like all of GAF's pedigree as a mature discussion forum just went out of the window overnight and the dregs took over. Like it sprung a leak and 4chan spilled in.

I see some good people in between trying to salvage whatever discussion is left but goddamn it's going to be a rough time.
Mod teams should be banning fools left and right to fix this, but then again this would just eat away at the already eroding userbase that's left.

 

[Grinchy]

Who was dogpiled for merely not liking Anita's videos?

Come on. I'm not about to go search all past Anita threads for the next 20 minutes just to give you examples, but if you really think it never happened, you have your head deep in the sand.

Notice who you're replying to. There probably also never were threads about female Link.

haha, I know, but I want to give everyone a chance now that some of the worst have been thinned out.

 

[Xenobureido]

Come on. I'm not about to go search all past Anita threads for the next 20 minutes just to give you examples, but if you really think it never happened, you have your head deep in the sand.

Notice who you're replying to. There probably also never were threads about female Link.

 

[George Washington]

I occasionally check in to see how GAF is doing.
If you see the current state of GAF and truly think it's more 'civil', I have to question your experience with the old GAF in the first place.

There's been an unquestionable massive uptick of shit-flinging, members insulting eachother, blatant trolling and racism/alt-right shit.
OT especially is like a discussion warzone and gaming side is filled with incessant insults and console warring with language that wouldn't be tolerated on old-GAF ever.
It's like all of GAF's pedigree as a mature discussion forum just went out of the window overnight and the dregs took over. Like it sprung a leak and 4chan spilled in.

I see some good people in between trying to salvage whatever discussion is left but goddamn it's going to be a rough time.
Mod teams should be banning fools left and right to fix this, but then again this would just eat away at the already eroding userbase that's left.

Good point. Ignoring the trolls, maybe it just seemed to be more civil because less people are posting. Hopefully things improve.

 

[-tetsuo-]

Probably because it is getting like 1/50th the traffic

 

[pramod]

blatant trolling and racism/alt-right shit.

I haven't seen any racism here, unless you feel that anything pro-Trump is inherently racist.

 

[Nick Hopewell]

I haven't seen any racism here, unless you feel that anything pro-Trump is inherently racist.

It is.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

I haven't seen any racism here, unless you feel that anything pro-Trump is inherently racist.

You haven't been looking, but the persecution complex with a website that is now dead is cute.

 

[Zog]

I haven't seen any racism here, unless you feel that anything pro-Trump is inherently racist.

Also, objecting to anti-white bullshit is considered racist and it is considered racist to not recognize people by the color of their skin.

 

[Night Angel]

Also, objecting to anti-white bullshit is considered racist and it is considered racist to not recognize people by the color of their skin.

Real racists acknowledge their privilege and the disadvantages minorities face. Better to pretend we're all treated the same.

 

[EROLIVE]

Of course things are going to be more civil with all the darkies gone

 

[powdered milk]

I haven't seen any racism here, unless you feel that anything pro-Trump is inherently racist.

Here ya go

Of course things are going to be more civil with all the darkies gone

 

[Zog]

Real racists acknowledge their privilege and the disadvantages minorities face. Better to pretend we're all treated the same.

Better to actually treat everyone equally than to continue racism by treating people differently based on the color of their skin.

 

[Night Angel]

Better to actually treat everyone equally than to continue racism by treating people differently based on the color of their skin.

But how does acknowledging disadvantage and privilege contribute to racism? Does observing racism summon it into existence?

We're quantum racists now.

 

[Zog]

But how does acknowledging disadvantage and privilege contribute to racism? Does observing racism summon it into existence?

We're quantum racists now.

How does acknowledging it contribute to stopping racism?

 

[mr2xxx]

How does acknowledging it contribute to stopping racism?

How do you solve a problem if you don’t recognize there is a problem?

 

[Zog]

How do you solve a problem if you don’t recognize there is a problem?

To what end? How many times a day and for how long will you acknowledge the problem and what good is it doing you?

 

[krazen]

To what end? How many times a day and for how long will you acknowledge the problem and what good is it doing you?

Problem is that most people don't think they are racist, yet shit like this still happens.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/13/doll.study/index.html

Racism in 2017 is about the 'Nah, im not racist, that guy just gives me a funny feeling' era. Racism 5.0 if you will (1.0 was slavery, 2.0 hanging em from trees, 3.0 not allowing em to drink the same water, 4.0 passing laws that basically segregated em to different schools/neighborhoods, im downloading the 6.0 update now as we speak, hopefully it doesn't brick my macbook).

Racism exists because even the KKK doesn't consider themselves racist, lol

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012...n-we-do-not-hate-anyone-imperial-wizard-says/

 

[Night Angel]

How does acknowledging it contribute to stopping racism?

How does ignoring it do the same? You made a comment to that effect. Tell me how pretending it doesn't exist helps anyone.

Unless you somehow didn't mean to convey that by commenting on anti-white racism and equal treatment together. Generally those two are used together to imply that modern racism doesn't exist and that fair and equal treatment is the norm. It isn't.

To treat everyone the same, we need to acknowledge and then address the issues that impact different sectors of our society unequally.

 

[VCALMLIKEABOMBV]

I think GAF is at a cross roads. It is obviously slower, but I see a lot of junior posters who are creating some good conversations without the eliteist mindset that was a real negative. I lurked for years and signed up finally, and I am enjoying the forum.

 

[Dunki]

Problem is that most people don't think they are racist, yet shit like this still happens.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/13/doll.study/index.html

I blame their parents for this. Children are not racist but they learn all the prejudices bullshit from their environment.

 

[Sadsic]

 

[Gray Rentable]

GAF is slower but I agree appears less biased in general It can be seen and felt in both the user base but also the way moderation is occurring. I've seen more balance to political discussions than I've seen in years.

I saw a similar thing happen on ERA when it first started, but that is all but gone now over there. It really seems like the incredibly close-minded hard left user base of old GAF-OT has completely relocated over to ERA. They seem very content and aware of this as well, like they're "right at home". I noticed there in the early weeks you could have sane discussions but if you go look at their OT its basically an entire page riddled with anti-Trump and politically left threads everywhere. Its basically a political forum at this point. The big difference it seems for now is mods are not insta-perma banning people there and instead giving public warnings. ERA only has a userbase of 30,000 when GAF is/was nearly 200,000 so they cannot afford to just perma ban people like they used to here.

Regardless though, I don't care really how politically leaning either GAF or ERA is, so long as the moderators don't allow dog piling or moderate by taking part in it. For the time being GAF seems like its flipped on its head in the best way possible, we'll see how long it lasts.

I come back to GAF OT for what originally brought me to the OT. Interesting threads, fun threads, entertainment. If its less volume than before but better distilled content.. I'll take that any day over what it used to be like.

Same here. GAF OT won't likely return to the Hardline left feel it had before. I know I'd enjoy seeing more non-political posts in the front OT page and in the threads.

 

[RefigeKru]

I blame their parents for this. Children are not racist but they learn all the prejudices bullshit from their environment.

Hence the necessity to continue speaking on racism. Even more important to challenge those holding these beliefs with children eh?

I'd say the issue is more nuanced than that personally, since it's entirely possible to learn anything... everything, including racism from other venues, but it's a start!

 

[RainblowDash]

Who was dogpiled for merely not liking Anita's videos?

Everyone got shat on for disliking that horrible person.

 

[Blood Borne]

I'm a long time lurker and I agree that GAF is more civil. No more biased mods, dissenting opinions are allowed, dog piling has greatly reduced and no more random thread locks.

 

[HStallion]

I feel like everyone saying this place is more civil is not actually reading GAF. I clicked on like 5 random threads and it was people must hurling insults at one another for pages on end not even discussing the topic or coming anywhere close to following the TOS.

 

[krazen]

Everyone got shat on for disliking that horrible person.

Yeah, because people with anime-avatars *cough* wouldn't debate the topic at hand, it was all personal attacks (She's a lying cunt...look at her history), whataboutism (movies are sexist too!), moving the goalposts (what about the art, what about male chars getting sexualized), etc.

It was a masterstroke of people trying to change the conversation. Shit was a Female Studies 101 debate at ya local community college at best but it became the beginning of the end of civil discourse

 

[tkscz]

Notice who you're replying to. There probably also never were threads about female Link.

There was one thread about female link and it wasn't even a shit show. It was basically "I wouldn't mind" or "I would rather just play as Zelda" or "No I don't want that". There was one "fight" but nothing really came from it.

 

[Anung]

I feel like everyone saying this place is more civil is not actually reading GAF. I clicked on like 5 random threads and it was people must hurling insults at one another for pages on end not even discussing the topic or coming anywhere close to following the TOS.

Yep. I'm not seeing these amazing discussions everyone keeps mentioning either. It's either ghost towns or drive by's.

 

[Claude Augario]

I feel like everyone saying this place is more civil is not actually reading GAF. I clicked on like 5 random threads and it was people must hurling insults at one another for pages on end not even discussing the topic or coming anywhere close to following the TOS.

Quality Over Quantity™

This is NuGAF, where you don't have to worry about psycho mods, the crime against humanity known as dogpiling, echo chambers, virtue signalling!!! or other oppressive tactics against intelligent and dissident discussions like are minorities really people, aren't pedophiles the true victims here, and acknowledging racism causes racism!

 

[Xenobureido]

There was one thread about female link and it wasn't even a shit show. It was basically "I wouldn't mind" or "I would rather just play as Zelda" or "No I don't want that". There was one "fight" but nothing really came from it.

This is not true. *Every* BotW-thread prior to releaese would eventually devolve into the same, forced 'female Link' debate. It'd be highly delusional to claim that topic was limited to one thread - which would have been ok.

 

[tkscz]

This is not true. *Every* BotW-thread prior to releaese would eventually devolve into the same, forced 'female Link' debate. It'd be highly delusional to claim that topic was limited to one thread - which would have been ok.

I said one THREAD made specifically for the question. I wasn't talking about when they'd pop-off with the subject in other Zelda threads.

 

[Fatboy is White]

Who was dogpiled for merely not liking Anita's videos?

 

[Lionel Richie]

Yeah, because people with anime-avatars *cough* wouldn't debate the topic at hand, it was all personal attacks (She's a lying cunt...look at her history), whataboutism (movies are sexist too!), moving the goalposts (what about the art, what about male chars getting sexualized), etc.

It was a masterstroke of people trying to change the conversation. Shit was a Female Studies 101 debate at ya local community college at best but it became the beginning of the end of civil discourse

Aside from some obvious trolls looking for an account suicide, there was no personal attacks. And it's tough to debate the topic at hand when saying that "male characters are also sexualized because we tend to dislike watching or playing anything with ugly as fuck people in it" is considered moving the goalposts. This is actually a good example on how discussions used to go in these topics, whenever people would wrongthink and post a well thought out argument it would just be disregarded as a [insert woke conceptual framework] and lead to some aggressive reactions until a self-righteous and overzealous moderator ended the party. People made gifs of these mods as if they were gods, and let me tell you they fucking weren't.

Not saying every single post in disagreement to Anita or people who agree with her was reasonable, there was plenty of shitposting. But to assume that it was all shitposting is disingenuous at best. Look at the offspring forum where people get shit from the moderation banned for saying there's nothing wrong with Quiet's design, shit like that used to happen here. That's not civil discourse, that's circle jerking.

 

[David___]

Its quite telling people love going back to the Quiet shit post in that thread here when there’s people not getting warned/ banned when disagreeing with the OP

 

[Ubername]

Problem is that most people don't think they are racist, yet shit like this still happens.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/13/doll.study/index.html

That article is more racist than any ingrained cultural behavior

Its quite telling people love going back to the Quiet shit post in that thread here when there's people not getting warned/ banned when disagreeing with the OP

What is quiet?

 

[tkscz]

Aside from some obvious trolls looking for an account suicide, there was no personal attacks. And it's tough to debate the topic at hand when saying that "male characters are also sexualized because we tend to dislike watching or playing anything with ugly as fuck people in it" is considered moving the goalposts. This is actually a good example on how discussions used to go in these topics, whenever people would wrongthink and post a well thought out argument it would just be disregarded as a [insert woke conceptual framework] and lead to some aggressive reactions until a self-righteous and overzealous moderator ended the party. People made gifs of these mods as if they were gods, and let me tell you they fucking weren't.

Not saying every single post in disagreement to Anita or people who agree with her was reasonable, there was plenty of shitposting. But to assume that it was all shitposting is disingenuous at best. Look at the offspring forum where people get shit from the moderation banned for saying there's nothing wrong with Quiet's design, shit like that used to happen here. That's not civil discourse, that's circle jerking.

That also reminds me of the 2017 Ghost Busters thread. Lord help you if you honestly didn't believe the movie was funny, especially in that first trailer thread. You were immediately called sexist for your opinion.

Honestly, after the first Anita thread (where I criticized her writing, where she would never actually do any counter arguments and her research was lack luster), I stopped posting in them because they all ended up the same.

 

[Hissing Sid]

That also reminds me of the 2017 Ghost Busters thread. Lord help you if you honestly didn't believe the movie was funny, especially in that first trailer thread. You were immediately called sexist for your opinion.

Jesus Christ!!!!

^ There ya go, just like old times.

;0)

 

[| Praxis |]

I shit all over that Ghost Busters film and never once was accused of being sexist.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Its quite telling people love going back to the Quiet shit post in that thread here when there’s people not getting warned/ banned when disagreeing with the OP

I feel like you're answering to me but I'm unable to understand what you mean, it would help if you answer directly. What are you talking about?

 

[tkscz]

I shit all over that Ghost Busters film and never once was accused of being sexist.

It mostly happened in the trailer thread. The thread for the movie wasn't that bad, though some gaffers would get a little angry over disliking the movie

Spoiler

(can't remember the name but kitty pride in a snow suit was the avatar).

 

[Night Angel]

I shat on the GB movie and got 0 flack for it.

It's strange to me that people who didn't post back then are so adamant that everyone got dogpiled for everything.

 

[Heath V]

It is.

You really believe that?

 

[David___]

I feel like you're answering to me but I'm unable to understand what you mean, it would help if you answer directly. What are you talking about?

I was referring to the last part of your post and just generally saying it's telling that so many people here love posting that Quiet post that amounts to "I don't care. I like it. Deal with it. It isn't changing " as some sort of proof that this place is somehow better moderated compared to the other site

 

[Lionel Richie]

I was referring to the last part of your post and just generally saying it's telling that so many people here love posting that Quiet post that amounts to "I don't care. I like it. Deal with it. It isn't changing " as some sort of proof that this place is somehow better moderated compared to the other site

Not saying it's better moderated, but it's fucking bullshit that the guy received a warning for speaking his mind in a respectful manner. He doesn't take issue with what was presented in the OP and he thinks Quiet is fine, the rest of your interpretation on what he posted is literally headcanon. Guess what, there's fuck nothing wrong with Quiet's design. You can disagree with me, but you can't say that somehow this opinion should be moderated because it offends your sensibilities. That's not civil discourse comrade.

And that is the problem with the past GAF moderation, it was overtly sensitive over harmless shit like "Quiet is fine". Not every moderator was like that mind you, but some used his/her powers abusively.