There is a reason that Robert went out of his way to murder every Targaryen he could find. Might makes right when it comes to conquest, but he always knew a Targaryen's claim would be seen as more legitimate and a threat.
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There is a reason that Robert went out of his way to murder every Targaryen he could find. Might makes right when it comes to conquest, but he always knew a Targaryen's claim would be seen as more legitimate and a threat.
SurrenderDorothy
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I honestly don't think Jon will get the chance for that to occur.
Jon won't be King of Westeros.
Yeah, when the rebellion was won Robert was chosen to be king out of him, Eddard and Jon Arryn because of his close relation to the Targaryens(through his great grandmother I believe).
TimeEffect
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What is Cleganebowl
Why was he so keen in killing dany and viserys then?
birth trumps conquest. You will never be seena s the rightful king as long as someone with the birthright is available.
RObert was lucky the targaryens left westeros after his conquest. He only really took notice after dany started gaining traction in Essos.
The Hound vs The Mountain
I don't think they would have brought up Jon's true lineage if it wasn't going to become a major plot point
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Him being legit doesn't necessarily mean he'll be Lord of the Seven Kingdoms.
Birth trumps conquest, stronger claims and all that. But Dany HAS to win back the throne. That is by right of conquest, not succession. She's a conqueror, no?
Is this confirmed? The Lord of Light-powered Hound vs undead Mountain?
broncobuster
Banned
It's happening. Mountain will be beating the Hound when Arya shows up and saves him. She'll stand on Hound's shoulders like Master Blaster from Mad Max and they'll fight with four swords like that asthma robot from Star Wars.
To me it's the only outcome that makes sense currently
Sold
Not confirmed as far as I know.
SporeCrawler
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she survived because Robb Stark was alive and then because she was regarded as the Key to the North by the Tyrells and the Lannisters. Joffrey had no say in that and Cerseis power was also limited. It was Tywin and Olenna that kept her alive.
Hound v Mountain.
Now that the Hound has a reason to go back to Kings Landing, it's totally plausible.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Seems like they're setting up Dany for a heel turn. She roasted my boy Billy Bones/Dickon. And now it seems like everyone is having growing concerns about her cruelty.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
So yeah after seeing jelly Jon:
and Dany shook:
They are totally boning, it's inevitable.
and Dany shook:
They are totally boning, it's inevitable.
Well yeah. She told them she's not here to rule like Cersei and them immediately followed up with a Cersei-like ultimatum of "serve me or die"
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What was she supposed to do?
It's just something fans have been clamouring for since the beginning. I guess it would bring his story full circle
The note was the one Sansa was forced to write, claiming loyalty to Joffrey and denouncing Ned as a traitor.
SHe went above and beyond to amake them live. I am 100% behind her decision to roast them. I dont get why this troubled tyrion and varys so much, what did they expect her to do?
I know they are afraid of her going all mad queen, but she didnt just burn them out of revenge. She gave them a choice.
cartographer
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I feel like there's some wiggle room where you don't need to settle on the burning people alive thing.
Like the Mad King did.
She should have cut their heads off herself like a true leader
cartographer
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The Tormund and Gendry squad are going to ride them into battle once they finish the achievements.
Let them walk? Honestly, letting them walk and choose what to do with their lives now wouldn't affect either army.
SurrenderDorothy
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Eh, I think he won't want it if he knows why he's legit.
After hearing of Rhaegar's annulment, I can't understand how anyone could see him as an honourable Prince.
Him casting aside Elia Martell and de-legitimizing her children by running off with Lyanna, causing the kingdoms to go haywire and thousands of deaths just so he could fulfil some prophecy destroys any credibility people like Barristan had given him.
Jon becoming king would be him recognizing that he's Rhaegar's son, when all he did was provide the seed and got many killed because of it.
I'd prefer another conclusion than Jon lording over Westeros, one where the Iron Throne ceases to exist.
Sure, but you quoted the bolded above. They are not as legit as the other. Birth trumps conquest.
If there are 2 conquerors, the one with the birthright gets more support only for that reason.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Surprised it gets brought up so often in this thread given the disdain for anything book reader and everyone so totally avoids book theories. /s.
It's a long held book reader wish to see the mountain and the hound fight. They are cleganes, thus cleganebowl.
King of the north, Danny Queen of the South?
hendersonhank
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Cersei does not have any claim at all. The wife of the former king is not part of the line of succession.
I mean, technically she does. Joffrey and Tommen got the crown because they were the "heirs"* to Robert Borathean's rule. Since they are gone the line of succession would then go to Robert's Queen, Cersei
Jorah is still stuck in the friendzone I think, he went in for a kiss but got a hug instead.
The only way to get Cersei to believe the White Walkers exist is to actually show her a White Walker. I'm totally predicting that if they catch a White Walker it's going to escape and start a zombie outbreak in Kings Landing
people seem to exagerate HBO's love for this show, if the producers were as free as people think we would have seen ghost every episode.
they want a wight, not a WW
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I dont think you know how war works.
She could have probably kept them as PoWs but she cant just free her enemies without any consequences. everyone would rebel against her because there would be no fear of reprisal.
Tarlys acted like idiots. plain and simple. it was assisted suicide as far as i am concerned. Then again, they sent Sam to die at the wall so they arent particularly a nice bunch of people.
It's needed for the armistice. If Nazis all of a sudden offered the Allies an armistice to combat a zombie outbreak, the Allies wouldnt have believed them. In fact, they would have thought it was a ploy to catch them off guard. You have two mortal enemies asking one another to fight a common enemy who just happens to be something that no one has seen for 10 thousand years. Proof is needed just to bring them both to the table.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Support is questionable, but I agree the one with birthright will likely get more support.
She still has to win...by conquest. If Viserys Targaryen came and wanted to claim succession over a living Robert, do you think he'll get the support because of his birthright?
Sure, a couple kingdoms may. But he'd have to win a lot of support because of how fresh the Mad King's reign was in the eyes of many.
Dany is in a different situation to her ancestors, she isn't only a Targaryen, she's the Mad King's daughter.
Nobody down south believes the white walkers and wights are actually real, and therefore aren't taking the threat seriously. So they are going to capture a living wight to prove they exist.
Jest Chillin
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Burn the old one. Take the young one prisoner to preserve the Tarly House. Make him ward or whatever, as is custom when houses squabble. Like what Theon was to the Starks.
They just watched Dany and her dragon absolutely slaughter a thousand men in a matter of moments and you're saying there would be no fear of reprisal?
Oke. And then?
jediyoshi
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There's nothing contingent on the books to expect that.
HBO has promoted it so I assume yes. Which makes me so angry haha
"a dead man" I don't think they really specified.
They should just send a raven to Night King saying cersei wants to talk to him, let him knock on her door.
Nameless
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Cersei and Dany will hopefully out their pointless war aside and help fight the one that matters.
When The Hound dies next episode in a heroic sacrifice with no possibility of him coming back even as a Wight you'll eat the words you wrote today. The Mountain's going to be killed by some low-life peasant or something just to hammer in the fact that it is not happening.
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