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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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matrix-cat
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I accidentally read this as "is Arya secretly the Wall" and I wasn't even surprised.
Arya is not the waif, it's very obvious they played it straight, but I think everyone wants there to be "more" to it because the way they handled the end of Arya's arc in season 6 was so disappointingly stupid. After like two seasons of training, it would be far more satisfying to show how much she has learned and how she has changed in her approach to assassination. Instead she does the exact same straightforward obviously bad things, gets punished for it, and survives due to having lvl52 plot armor, and wins in the end because... the script said so. It's very weird!
Now who's going to make that low-hanging waifu joku?
ComputerBlue
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Everyone here is wasting there time with this Waif business since The Waif isn't even real, she's a figment of Arya's imagination, a depiction of her own personal demons and internal struggles. Obviously.
matrix-cat
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Now you guys have me thinking about how stupid it was that Arya beat the Waif by luring her into the dark and killing her with her magic Daredevil powers.
SuperStiltzkin
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Are we to assume that the Waif never underwent blind training?
She seems like the type to never not kill someone, so probably not. It didn't seem to be training, but more of a punishment that turned out for the best for Arya.
Arya was more recently blinded and she had a sword so it wasn't really a fair fight.
Edit: well aside from the multiple stab wounds she endured.
matrix-cat
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I mean, I'm pretty sure that's what they established in Arya's never-ending training subplot. If both of them have their eyes open, the Waif wins. When Arya is blindfolded, she wins.
FTFY
SuperStiltzkin
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It seemed like a fundamental stage of training since they continued training even when she was blinded. So I have to assume the Waif also underwent blind training. I don't imagine there's an accelerated course in the House of Black and White where the Waif is so good that she skips Daredevil 101.
The writers of the show really don't how to make tension and setbacks without it completely obliterating the character's arc. It would be great for Tyrion to be putting into place everything he's learned and show just how much of an asset he is now.. but he fucked literally everything up, yay!
There would be no significance to the scene where Arya snuffed the candle if the waif was a blind-fighter as well.
The waif was a good girl. Arya was a rebel. That was the point.
matrix-cat
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There's literally a scene where they're sparring with wooden sticks where the Waif has her eyes open and Arya is blindfolded and she wins
Well that's your assumption, not anything ever shown in the series.
And who pray tell runs a dragon armoury to outfit her dragons lol? Plus, you think armour is a concern for a guy that can throw a spear over 80 yards and hit a target dead on?
I know its been pointed out a million times, but Tyrion killed a lot of people and never showed remorse for it. He killed Davos' son and didn't even apologize or comment on it when Davos brought it up. Why is he so worried about Dany going into war? Just kill him off - I'm tired of his shitty leadership.
Gendry invents mithril, didn't you know?
All of those were in the heat of battle or far away. We've seen him look away at an impending death many times.
Bounceounce
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Imagine wanting the best character to die.
There's no reason for him to exist if he does nothing.
SuperStiltzkin
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I only assume that cause the Waif is mocking of Arya for not being able to spar with her while blind. She had an air of arrogance as though she herself underwent that phase of training and aced it.
Nah, I think she was just a huge asshole.
Lamel
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From Reddit.
Imagine if every time we saw Jon, Ghost was beside him?
this is fantastic
It's crazy how much jon has developed throughout the show. Say what you will about him, but he is through and through a badass warrior.
He's fucking pissing me off. We're in a medieval world, and he suddenly wants to fight wars like he's advising the Federation or something. Dude, if she keeps civilian casualties to a minimum by just attacking the Red Keep, she's already an ocean width apart from her predecessors. Even today, there isn't a military commander worth their salt that wouldn't take that shot on Cersei.
Are you fucking kidding me with this pacifist shit? Hey let's not go for the jugular and get a quick victory, and instead get more civilians killed, lose our allies, and cry because we don't have the balls to do what needs to be done. Throw this loser out Dany, and get a military person in charge.
Haha that's what he's been up to since season 3.
I wonder how much Jon payed the artist not to have Ghost come up to his chest. He's shorter than his father you know.
Well no one asked him to be there when the invasion happens. He didn't have to go with Dany to the Loot Train attack either.
But then, what exactly does Tyrion want Dany to do? If it was up to Tyrion; Jon Snow, Jorah, Beric, the Hound, and Tormund would all be dead. He basically gives up on his own plan to bring the wight back after risking several peoples' lives. And he was against attacking the loot train, which was Dany's only major victory so far.
The waif was also very jealous in regard to Arya. She was threatened by the possibility that Arya was better than her.
She wasn't a blind-fighter. She was a rival who didn't have the skills needed to ace Arya.
He was never against attacking the loot train. We never saw her even present that plan to him. He wanted her to proceed with the siege of KL and she accuses him of siding with his family and then nothing. Theon comes looking for the queen, Jon says she's gone, and it's only then that we find out what she plans to do.
DarkJediKnight
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Here's the one big one: Waif would have ZERO reasons to go through all that trouble to kill the entire Frey House. The killing of Walter Frey was very personal, like how Arya killed Meryn Trant. Waif wouldn do that.
And Bran is not going to be giving a Valyrian dagger to Arya. He would have known it isn't her because he knows of her travels.
Yes! Exactly. Just invade and get it over with.
This season is just painful.
I thought he was because she could easily be killed and he seemed to appreciate (non-verbally) that Jon Snow was against it also.
ComputerBlue
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Tyrion should have never stopped drinking, haven't seen him with a single cup of wine all season and he's been dumb as shit since.
bran gets visions
he doesn't see everything at once.
also, you're not the waif's spokesperson.
Maybe the Waif when she was holding a dying Arya in her arms, made a promise to Arya to avenge her family.
"Promise me Waif, promise me!"
Arya with the last of her dying breath, quickly recapped who was on her list that needed to be killed, all the people she met on her journey, the members of her family that were still alive, and she asked the Waif to prioritise going back to Winterfell if given the chance because that's what the real Arya would do. The Waif being so rigid and dickish, would also explain the narrow minded attitude towards Sansa. She's pulling from what Arya told her about her feelings towards her sister, but is dialing it to 11. This also explains why Nymeria didn't join up with her. She looks like Arya but doesn't have her scent. So Nymeria can't figure her out so she bounces.
It's not the wine....
How long since he was last with a woman?
The God of Tits and Wine is losing his power.
King's Landing was being invaded by Stannis, not sure what this recent push back is about where Tyrion should feel bad about defending King's Landing. Pretty sure Tyrion was experiencing shock over Davos' son, it's a bit of a stretch to assume he didn't care. He's worried about Danerys possibly dying if she fights on her dragons and if she dies, it's quite possible her armies will be scattered to the wind, especially when there is no clear successor. Also, how was he to know that Casterly Rock was bankrupt? That information was hidden from him so obviously caught off guard by the bait and switch.
I don't know, I don't think there has been much to hate him for, outside of suggesting that he try to convince his sister by capturing the wight. Even in that case, I always found that plan was more about establishing an armistice so that Danerys could potentially help with the real war. Danerys, Tyrion none of them were completely sold on how serious of a threat the White Walkers are, they had never seen it first hand. Hell, the only people that seemed that convinced about it were those that had actually seen the real threat.
One episode he admits to Jaime that the move Jaime pulled to abandon Casterly Rock caught him by surprise. Next episode he is telling Dany that he's all about taking his enemies view points so that he could better maneuver around their plans and plots. Dude is running around in circles being out played.
The guy used to be great, but right now he's like Rafael Benitez being given the Madrid job, and he's fucking tanking us. We need Zizu in here ASAP! Sack his ass so he can go run House Newcastle, and get him away from the big boy's table.
ComputerBlue
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No tits and no wine make Tyrion something something.
He's definitely scrambling to try not to look so bad.
I've turned around on the plan. I think it actually works. Tyrion was one of the few people in the South to know about the White Walkers. I think his plan to capture one and bring it to Cersei was earnest and not a ploy to get both sides to agree to an armistice. I think he takes the threat seriously, even if he didn't want to tell Daenerys that.
Just caught up on the show from season 4.
Sansa is arrogant and annoying.
Arya is a bit out of character but cool. She's probably one of the deadliest person in the realm now. Single handedly killing the Freys and fighting equally against Brienne.
Tyrion is loosing so much. Not one good advice in the last season we don't really know why. Having remorse for a family that loathed him and try to killed him countless time. The only one he should be helping to save is Jaime who is still cool.
Cersei, she's totally flat now, the epitome of being bad without any other features or characteristics.
Davos is funny at least, instead of Tyrion.
Daenerys and Jon are so cool, both characters grew up well and developed nicely.
Daenerys totally want some Jon And I am ready to ship House Starkaryen.
Sansa is arrogant and annoying.
Arya is a bit out of character but cool. She's probably one of the deadliest person in the realm now. Single handedly killing the Freys and fighting equally against Brienne.
Tyrion is loosing so much. Not one good advice in the last season we don't really know why. Having remorse for a family that loathed him and try to killed him countless time. The only one he should be helping to save is Jaime who is still cool.
Cersei, she's totally flat now, the epitome of being bad without any other features or characteristics.
Davos is funny at least, instead of Tyrion.
Daenerys and Jon are so cool, both characters grew up well and developed nicely.
Daenerys totally want some Jon
And I am ready to ship House Starkaryen.Dubbedinenglish
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lol why would the waif do anything for Arya. They hated each other (which the waif was not supposed to do
) and the waif wanted to become a faceless man for real, unlike Arya. Of course the price for a dying girl would be lower, but killing off an entire house and the queen of Westeros still wouldn't something that's possible to pay.Yeah, and the minute his dumb plan goes south he tells Dany, "eh, fuck them, they knew the risks."
You came up with this plan Tyrion, and if you believe the threat from the North is real, than Dany has to save Jon and his team.
So instead of marching back home to Dragonstone, Grey Worm and mates are busy doing this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqF9KRgyck