InaudibleWhispa
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LMAO first shot of the Oktobercast from Tested.com
http://www.tested.com/original/449638-octoberkast-live-now/
lol
LMAO first shot of the Oktobercast from Tested.com
http://www.tested.com/original/449638-octoberkast-live-now/
For the record, do we know that the original Keighly Mountain Dew/doritos pic was legit and not a photoshop?
jschreier here has an opportunity to engage in actual, honest to goodness, journalism, and instead he's content with Mario themed wedding cakes and Street Fighter cosplay. Listen man, I think you're a decent guy, but you're being disingenuous if you're saying that this isn't real news. Show us your true investigative writing chops, and prove us wrong.
because people are now getting upset that other gaming sites to chime in on something that they really don't have a way to, there's no story here, just a lot of drama, the sweetheart relationship between pr and journos is a HUGE issue, just not one that can be talked about clearly with this specific situation.
who's posts? i don't even know what you're reffering to.
my word.. get over yourself person -__-
jschreier here has an opportunity to engage in actual, honest to goodness, journalism, and instead he's content with Mario themed wedding cakes and Street Fighter cosplay. Listen man, I think you're a decent guy, but you're being disingenuous if you're saying that this isn't real news. Show us your true investigative writing chops, and prove us wrong.
I'm sorry for having standards.
I hope you extend the same courtesy to Geoff Keighley then. It must have been many years since his last review in any official capacity.
So you're saying that he should feel sorry for thinking his standards matter? Amazing. You're truly something.be sorrier for thinking those standards matter enough to rub it in the site owners face.
you're still not understanding that there's nothing to investigate here..
Compared to the vast majority of comments in this thread I'm a bastion of positivity.Please don't say "us" when you "me". Pretty much everything I ever see you post is negative in some way towards the industry if my memory serves me.
For the record, do we know that the original Keighly Mountain Dew/doritos pic was legit and not a photoshop?
For the record, do we know that the original Keighly Mountain Dew/doritos pic was legit and not a photoshop?
Part of what I'm talking about today is the double xp program that Mountain Dew and Doritos are bringing back which actually allow gamers to rank up inside of Wargames in Halo 4 by purchasing Mountain Dew or Doritos. So this is a great example of a brand saying 'Hey we wanna actually give benefit and value to gamers' so if you buy Mountain Dew, you buy Doritos you get a code... and your gonna get some experience in the game. It's a good partnership. - Geoff Keighley
here's an idea.. let them run their site the way they chose, you're still not understanding that there's nothing to investigate here.
jschreier here has an opportunity to engage in actual, honest to goodness, journalism, and instead he's content with Mario themed wedding cakes and Street Fighter cosplay. Listen man, I think you're a decent guy, but you're being disingenuous if you're saying that this isn't real news. Show us your true investigative writing chops, and prove us wrong.
He's not telling him how to do his job. Did you even read his post?Fucking shit, really? This is what came too? Dude posts on GAF, he's one of us.. and you want to tell him how to do his freaking job?
He's already said what his site is for, why he hasn't spoken too it... and this is your reply?
Wow... just wow... the audacity of some of you.
jschreier here has an opportunity to engage in actual, honest to goodness, journalism, and instead he's content with Mario themed wedding cakes and Street Fighter cosplay. Listen man, I think you're a decent guy, but you're being disingenuous if you're saying that this isn't real news. Show us your true investigative writing chops, and prove us wrong.
I didn't say it wasn't real news. I said that I'm not particularly interested in writing about it (and admittedly I've thought a lot more about this in the past hour or two than I have all week - this sort of topic just doesn't interest me all that much), and that it might not fit the website that employs me. We don't often cover media issues like this. Remember, not every gaming website has to cover every issue (and the web would sure be a boring place if they did). You don't have to agree; I just want to make my reasoning clear.
be sorrier for thinking those standards matter enough to rub it in the site owners face.
here's an idea.. let them run their site the way they chose, you're still not understanding that there's nothing to investigate here.
be sorrier for thinking those standards matter enough to rub it in the site owners face.
He's not telling him how to do his job. Did you even read his post?
You didnt answer my question. Are you a gaming "journalist"?
What he needs to write if he wants to prove us wrong.Yes, and he's trying to tell him what he needs to write.
That's a pretty bullshit move to make.
Yes, and he's trying to tell him what he needs to write.
That's a pretty bullshit move to make.
I didn't say it wasn't real news. I said that I'm not particularly interested in writing about it (and admittedly I've thought a lot more about this in the past hour or two than I have all week - this sort of topic just doesn't interest me all that much), and that it might not fit the website that employs me. We don't often cover media issues like this. Remember, not every gaming website has to cover every issue (and the web would sure be a boring place if they did). You don't have to agree; I just want to make my reasoning clear.
He said earlier in the thread that he would also walk if one of his pieces was amended, so given that and the vitriol he's shown towards Rab in his posts and the whole "move on..." schtick I'd guess yes.
Probably for one of the worst offenders in the whole PR-as-journalism-lol in my opinion.
And yet he had the temerity to suggest his posts on this matter were 'unbiased', ethics at work, in realtime!
This isn't the only thread he does that sort of shit in, either. Just flip through his post history.Can we ban this clown for trolling already? He's Manosing. He's going round deflecting arguments, moving goalposts, erecting strawmen and essentially saying "fuck you if you don't agree with me".
What he needs to write if he wants to prove us wrong.
He doesn't have to prove us wrong. We're not going to fire him.
Inside baseball: we usually have a healthy mixture of short and long stories. Short stories - like, say, a Square Enix sale - take roughly ten minutes to write. Long stories - like, say, a piece about the current state of SC2 or an exposé on Silicon Knights - take significantly longer. I imagine a story like this one (a story that would require a lot of thought, consideration, and reaching out to involved parties) would fall squarely into the latter category.
....It's just not necessarily the type of story I think fits with what our site is trying to do.
Can we ban this clown for trolling already? He's Manosing. He's going round deflecting arguments, moving goalposts, erecting strawmen and essentially saying "fuck you if you don't agree with me".
Naive. Have you missed Shawn Elliot's excellent posts in this thread?Most of you are seeming to forget that game journalists are people, They talk, eat and shit just like all of us. Just because the person in the Monster car gave me a T-shirt and a couple of drinks doesnt mean that I'll like Monster more; because when it gets down to it, I think Monster tastes terrible. While I realise thats hugely different to recieving promo gear that's worth hundreds of dollars, it's still the same basic principle. Just think, what would you do? All of you are hugely against this type of thing so wouldn't that mean that they are to?
Would you even be allowed to write an article like that, I wonder? (I don't expect an answer.)
He called him out because he didn't want to write a story on this, basically questioning his integrity.
He already gave his reasons for not wanting too. Honestly, what more do you want written?
A lot of you are seeming to forget that game journalists are people, They talk, eat and shit just like all of us. Just because the person in the Monster car gave me a T-shirt and a couple of drinks doesnt mean that I'll like Monster more; because when it gets down to it, I think Monster tastes terrible. While I realise thats hugely different to recieving promo gear that's worth hundreds of dollars, it's still the same basic principle. Just think, what would you do? All of you are hugely against this type of thing so wouldn't that mean that they are to?
A lot of you are seeming to forget that game journalists are people, They talk, eat and shit just like all of us. Just because the person in the Monster car gave me a T-shirt and a couple of drinks doesnt mean that I'll like Monster more; because when it gets down to it, I think Monster tastes terrible. While I realise thats hugely different to recieving promo gear that's worth hundreds of dollars, it's still the same basic principle. Just think, what would you do? All of you are hugely against this type of thing so wouldn't that mean that they are to?
No, s/he's pointing out the disparity between writing about "Chicken Leg Looks Like Masterchief's Helmet" and not this particular event. How can the former be considered worthy of news treatment, and not the latter?
This isn't the only thread he does that sort of shit in, either. Just flip through his post history.
It's interesting to me that the topic of journalistic ethics in games "isn't interesting" and "doesn't fit the audience." Aren't we the audience? And there is a post 71 pages long about this here. I think there's plenty of interest from the audience.
But none from the journalists. Because who wants to call out their friends or stop the money train? Who wants to be the "STOP HAVING FUN GUYS" person?
Only a person with personal ethics. If you don't have those, you can't have professional ethics either. It's easier for people to keep their heads down rather than go against the grain.
Listen man, I think you're a decent guy, but you're being disingenuous if you're saying that this isn't real news. Show us your true investigative writing chops, and prove us wrong.
A lot of you are seeming to forget that game journalists are people, They talk, eat and shit just like all of us. Just because the person in the Monster car gave me a T-shirt and a couple of drinks doesnt mean that I'll like Monster more; because when it gets down to it, I think Monster tastes terrible. While I realise thats hugely different to recieving promo gear that's worth hundreds of dollars, it's still the same basic principle. Just think, what would you do? All of you are hugely against this type of thing so wouldn't that mean that they are to?
Pharmaceutical company companies extensively research physicians' hobbies and personal interests, send attractive spokespeople to "inform" said physicians about their products over three-star michelin meals and golf games. Without exception, these physicians insist that they are immune to unethical influence.
Corporations like Coca Cola spend $10 billion a year or more on advertising campaigns with messages that college undergrads -- here I'm speaking from experience as a former instructor -- unfailingly insist they're uniquely insusceptible to.
Either these corporations are somehow recklessly burning revenue by the billions and somehow raking in unprecedented profit despite the sheer stupidity of their business practices or people are prone to maintain flattering though entirely unrealistic images of themselves. Unfortunately for us, replicated psychology experiments point to pervasive self-deception. Fortunately for us, while it's practically impossible for us to accurately monitor our own self-interest, we're marvelous at pointing it out in others. And this is the why the appearance of impropriety matters so much.
Tomes of research on the topic are out there and anyone remotely interested in cognition will encounter the experiments again and again. For those unfamiliar with it I recommend starting here: http://www.amazon.com/Honest-Truth-D...ally+Ourselves
A teaser to generate interest in the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=XBmJay_qdNc#!
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RPS has their piece up.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10/26/the-flare-path-blows-the-whistle/
Are we not allowed to think someone doesn't have journalistic integrity? Do we have to respect everyone who claims the title of "journalist."
I don't really care who would write the article for Kotaku. It doesn't have to be a specific person. But not having anyone write one when they'll put articles up about all kinds of random meaningless crap makes them look like a joke, to be quite frank.
Dunno! But I've been working at Kotaku for almost a year now, and I don't remember Stephen ever telling me "no you can't write this." He's talked me out of stories before, or told me that something probably wasn't worth my time, but I don't recall anything ever being censored.
A lot of you are seeming to forget that game journalists are people, They talk, eat and shit just like all of us. Just because the person in the Monster car gave me a T-shirt and a couple of drinks doesnt mean that I'll like Monster more; because when it gets down to it, I think Monster tastes terrible. While I realise thats hugely different to recieving promo gear that's worth hundreds of dollars, it's still the same basic principle. Just think, what would you do? All of you are hugely against this type of thing so wouldn't that mean that they are to?
As we sat down to eat, a few guys at the table grumbled a bit about the guys who left for lunch with the PR team members. Someone said that those journalists were getting a great free meal somewhere, but that they "typically will pay it back with a glowing preview."
I didn't think much of it and chuckled at the comment, figuring it was more of a joke than anything. But sure enough, as embargoes lifted, the guys who went to lunch served up previews that were devoid of criticism that were also packed with bits of information that nobody else had access to at the event.
I feel bad for Geoff Keighley getting caught up in all of this. I genuinely believe he is one of the "good guys".
You are talking about a guy who said "I don't consider this a joke" directly after someone quoted him joking about it.
This is a very common theme. You see a lot of people circling the wagons, acting very dismissive, not engaging the topic in any way except to laugh about it, and when called out they go "argh blargh I take this VERY SERIOUSLY!!!" - as if that is at all believable.
Because that's what that site does.