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GameXplain: Is Zelda: BotW on Switch Smoother in Handheld Mode? Direct Comparison,
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Moff
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since I won't get a day 1 switch anyway because I did not preorder early enough, this option is definitely still open for me. I hope we get some decent comparisons between the 3 versions on day 1.
Boy Wander
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The map is 12 times bigger than Xenoblade X and we've seen slowdown in one or two areas. It's not like this is unprecedented. Some PS4 games run like shit at 1080p.
serenewarfare
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I would think out of the 20+ impressions we've gotten, we'd have at least one really harping on it if it were a serious issue.
Almost every time we need the user experience for these things, Souls games /FF XV frame pacing issues comments for example are no frequent on their reviews.
The Wraith
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This in my eyes has always been a handheld that can output to a TV. It makes sense to me that it has an issue playing games at higher resolutions with smooth frame rates. I'll probably play it mostly as a handheld.
JohnTinker
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GameXplain bringing it this week with the bad news
The Futurist
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Is this a joke? The PS4 runs games that look like uncharted 4 at 1080p.
Games that run poorly on the PS4 are not due to power issues.
Edit: That part about the map being 12x Xenoblade is nonsense.
It.. does? Extra power =/= better frame times. It depends how much they bump everything else.
I was joking. Im spending enough on my master edition lol
But I do want to know how the final Wii U version compares.
SinCityAssassin
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Pfffffffffffftttttt.
serenewarfare
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Frame pacing is a different thing from just general framerate issues, which is what this thread is about.
And the facts, as we know them now, don't suggest this is a big issue. Arguing hypothetical issues is pointless.
ShadowFox08
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Honestly I'm thinking its possible that the GPU clockspeeds weren't changed for this game. The switch is supposedly at least 1.5x to 2.0x as powerful(for gpu) in handheld mode. The resolution could have been downsampled on handheldmode to 720p to match the wii u version. It likely cpuld have handled 900p without dock(the screen can only go up to 720p), but would have suffered from the framerate issues, but didn't to have a smooth frameratr. That's the only explanation I can come up with, or else it has to be really bad bug(which people noticed before in switch demos in Jan), which I doubt.
Nintendo did say the switch version I identical to Wii u version, minus the 900p in docked and better sound quality.
The point is frame pacing is more noticeable and almost every review doesn't talk about it, why trust them to judge frame drops?
Key thing also to take from the video is the very end where they say this is the exception to the norm. We all want the game to be perfect but this isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. This is a dual release and I think that actually buys BoTW some leeway, especially if the rest of the game is so overwhelmingly good. Now if pure Switch releases from Nintendo have this issue in the future then complain away.
serenewarfare
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Frame drops are much easier to notice for a general person than frame pacing, which most people aren't even aware of.
Also hilarious that the xb1 supports 1080P, yet Microsofts flagship graphical powerhouse title (Ryse) doesn't even run at the highest resolution (runs at 900P)
It's a launch title and often driver / software optimisations for consoles get better over time... this has been happening since the earliest console as programmers open up the power of new systems
Sure I'd love 1080P Zelda docked, but obviously wasn't possible due to the short turn around on the port
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Deleted member 752119
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For sure. This is just odd as the simple solution would seem to be to just not bump graphics, resolution etc. when docked so much that it hurts performance.
Having watched a few Digial Foundry videos I do vaguely recall transparent alpha effects (such as smoke) causing issues with PS4 Pro games. I believe the increase in resolution for those (I'm not sure if Zelda's grass would be included in that category) further tax the CPU, as opposed to just taxing the GPU. So perhaps that's the issue - the Switch is running at increased speeds but the CPU is choking on the higher-fidelity alpha effects.
Jaded Alyx
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Did you not hear what they said about not able to get direct feed footage in handheld mode?
Source for this?
I kinda agree. Optimizing first for portable is actually more important. If the docked mode has an issue here and there it's the potential trade off for it looking better. Ideally there should be no trade off but one situation is easily better then the other I think.
They're mistaking Nintendo saying it was 12x the size of Twilight Princess. It's in no way larger than XBX.
Best estimates from fans put it at around 1.7-2x the size of Skyrim or somewhere around 1.3-1.6x the size of The Witcher 3.
Jaded Alyx
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What difference would that make?
lol I was seriously alarmed for a second there.
RichiRamjag
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Kilau
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I misunderstood, I thought they meant camera for both to make it a direct comparison. That would explain the massive drop in detail for handheld mode, sorry.
SinCityAssassin
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That has no effect on frame rate.
PaulBizkit
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well i'll be damned, it looks smoother in handheld mode.
Is the software used to obtain the video capture built into the switch?
That could play a role in reducing performance.
It's not exactly a fair comparison since they use a camera to record the footage in handheld and the built in software for the tv mode.
They should have used a camera for both modes.
That could play a role in reducing performance.
It's not exactly a fair comparison since they use a camera to record the footage in handheld and the built in software for the tv mode.
They should have used a camera for both modes.
Fingers crossed. I plan to play it mainly in handheld mode, but sometimes I may want to play it on my monitor.
Wishmaster92
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I don't think Nintendo does this.
serenewarfare
Banned
No. The Switch has no way to capture video internally currently.
Murdamonk
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Why? 720p shouldn't be acceptable on a new generation home console, no? I am fine with it in portable mode.. But in docked mode.. Hell no!
Jaded Alyx
Member
No there is no built in video capture functionality (yet).
They said working on game for switch since 2015
If there's a fully-tested performance profile that is ready and usable on the same exact hardware, there's no good reason to not make it an option to advanced users who may prefer the decisions made in that profile to that of the standard docked one.
As I remember, the preview version of 1.0.0 run just the same as the 12S Demo in Jan (same frame rate problem in same place).. Maybe Nintendo don't have time to optimise it to the retail version.
Yea i was just thinking maybe it could be the joycon "issue" with janky movement giving the impression of frame drops /tinfoilhat
I see, thanks.
Jaded Alyx
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TV mode is 900p
goldenpp72
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Is there a way to run the game in 720p on a tv then?
ShadowFox08
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That's their decision. Whoever makes the games. You can't have 1080p and/or 60fps without sacrificing some graphical fidelity(textures, shading, lighting, polygon counts). You need a balance between the three or prioritize more on one over the others
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Deleted member 752119
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900p along with some extra graphical bells and whistles (grass detail etc.).
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