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GameXplain: Is Zelda: BotW on Switch Smoother in Handheld Mode? Direct Comparison,
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Boy Wander
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Given that the portable aspect is a big part of the switch, I'm not convinced it could have been much more powerful than it is. And yeah, if you're expecting a console that is also portable, I'm not sure what rock you've been living under for the past months.
Uh ... good performance in both setups was a possibility too. It didn't have to be one or the other.
OrbitalBeard
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Maybe you should follow the conversation a bit more closely, KingSnake. The poster I responded to claimed the Wii U version at E3 had less performance issues than the Switch version. This is false. Yes, it is possible the retail version that no one outside of Nintendo has seen performs better on Wii U, but The Lamp is considering buying both versions of the game based on the Wii U E3 build.
serenewarfare
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Let's not ignore the fact that at the end of the video he said "these drops are the exception", which has been the thing everyone has said so far. Slowdown exists, but it's not frequent at all.
Because it was 10 years ago.
Unless it ups morethan just the resolution. Shadows/AA/etc
Nintendo needs to patch this fast. Hopefully they can give you a 720p option for TV mode. This bugs me more than any other Switch news coming out. I mean yeah I will be playing on handheld too but damn I wanna just sit and enjoy my Zelda experience using a pro controller without issues.
I didn't ignore. If they're right they're right. Nothing to say.
When I WATCHED THE E3 DEMOS i dont remember seeing drops when you come down the hill. I could be mistaken. Hence the word "seemed"
This is still embarrassing for Nintendo nonetheless. $300 system, chugs on its flagship launch title when plugged into a TV.
Jimmyfenix
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for how much nintendo is advertising this as a hybrid yeah i agree. Having one mode run worse than the other mode is shocking.
ouch. well there goes a ton of support for newer titles.
I specifically asked about worse performance on TV mode vs handheld mode and they thought any difference was just variance. So if you were in the exact same situation on the handheld, you would have the same frame rate drops.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=228361860
What does "the exception" translate to in gameplay time? Only every other minute?
Naked Snake
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Might be a case of unoptimized/rushed port.
If it were developed from the ground up for Switch with an adequate development time, might have faired better.
If it were developed from the ground up for Switch with an adequate development time, might have faired better.
DeuceGamer
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The entire point of the GPU being clocked higher in docked mode was so it can handle the games at higher resolutions. So it should offset the increased resolution...at least in theory.
sturgboski
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Yeah, now we have moved onto the 1080p vs 900p argument. Nintendo being generation+ behind is justifiable in people's comments. I mean, say what you will, but all consoles being equal, Nintendo should (in theory) get all 3rd party titles.
On the flip side, Nintendo being a hard generation+ behind really shouldnt be a shocker, no matter how disappointing it is.
Miniboss1232
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I agree it probably works like that. I'd be interested in seeing it tried out though.
Lovely Salsa
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Maybe its because how it was filmed but man the game looks awful in handheld mode.
Those that played it, any comments?
Those that played it, any comments?
serenewarfare
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I know Dan on the Beastcast this morning said he only ever had issues with it when he was in heavily populated areas or areas of lots of grass, and it never once happened while he was in combat.
And of course "the exception" doesn't mean every other minute. What a dumb thing to say. Trust me, if the issue was gamebreaking or even a big hassle, we'd be hearing a lot more about it.
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Deleted member 752119
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I think most understand that. The hybrid is just disappointing to a lot of us console-only folk who don't care about portability as it's a lot of power compromised with a still high price due to the screen etc. that we don't want.
Just is what it is, and has me waiting for their to be a bunch of games I want to play and a decent price drop/retailer sale/bundle before seriously considering buying a Switch.
I'm glad Zelda is coming to Wii U still. That's the only one of their active franchises that's still a true "must play" for me so that makes waiting easier.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Please don't be reasonable.
Hoho for breakfast
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Why does it not make sense? It's 720p in handheld mode and 900p docked. Makes sense to me.
Vital Tundra
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Handheld mode is going to look terrible when you blow it up full screen. Looks phenomenal when actually looking at the handheld screen.
DF said the same thing a while ago. Its not a huge problem.
OverturePT
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I mean, a lot of people had already played the Switch version on various events before, was this a problem back then as well? Has anything changed?
I also see a difference in lighting between handheld and dock mode, maybe I am wrong since I am watching it through mobile but that's what it looks like.
Inferior visuals + lower resolution could mean that despite having lower clock speed handheld mode runs smoother than dock mode.
Inferior visuals + lower resolution could mean that despite having lower clock speed handheld mode runs smoother than dock mode.
The Futurist
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This is why I thought the dock would add significant power.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis
"The new console runs faster when docked. Much faster."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis
"The new console runs faster when docked. Much faster."
This plus the DF video saying it runs super smooth with only a little slowdown from time to time makes me think this wont be as much of an issue as the first 2 mins of the games it seem
TheBanditKing
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Not going to lie this is extremely disappointing. I get that the game has a huge world and tons of assets/data to move but I had hoped the CPU/GPU on the switch would be strong enough to properly handle a Wii U port even if it was running in a higher resolution. Really looking to see tear down on this thing now because this is concerning. (not canceling my preorder though)
The dock doesn't add power, just unlocks it.
SinCityAssassin
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This is actually smoother than it was for the demo version. The thing is that these sort of drops are actually infrequent in of itself, but Handheld is more consistent nonetheless.
That doesn't seem exceptional in the context of Breath of the Wild.
I suppose we'll see how prevalent it is as greater and deeper opinions surface.
Smiles and Cries
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They should allow a way to set the game docked at 720P to solve this issue as a quick fix
but this is not something that will frustrate me at all
but this is not something that will frustrate me at all
hardcastlemccormick
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They're filming it with a camera.
Geez. They need to add a universal option to allow you to run games in 'handheld' mode on your TV, if this is going to be common. The game should never be allowed to run worse when docked, it makes the whole concept seem compromised.
The GPU isn't overclocked in docked mode also?
If it's possible a game could run worse, then perhaps devs should use a dynamic resolution that scales beyond handheld mode when possible, but dials back down if the framerate is suffering.
The GPU isn't overclocked in docked mode also?
If it's possible a game could run worse, then perhaps devs should use a dynamic resolution that scales beyond handheld mode when possible, but dials back down if the framerate is suffering.
Schnozberry
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Interesting. I wonder if they'll weight in on their experience with the retail build. Maybe they'll have a different take. Some of the reviewers have noticed minor drops, but have all said that it hasn't really had much of an effect on their experience.
The Futurist
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Ok. Then shouldn't the flagship title on a new piece of hardware take advantage of that extra unlocked power?
Or it is so CPU dependent that extra GPU power is meaningless?
Exactly. Worse performance in docked mode is a joke. Let it run at the handheld resolution if the frame rate can't be locked at 30 in dock mode.
serenewarfare
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Look man, I don't know what to tell you. All I can say is that every single person who has played the game has said the performance is fine a majority of the time. We know this. These are facts. If the performance was terrible or exceptionally bad, we'd hear a lot more about that than all the praise it's getting. I'm gonna choose to believe the people who are actually playing the game over people speculating on the internet.
If you want to argue semantics, do it with them.
mysteriousmage09
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That is a massive difference watching them side by side. You fucking serious that Zelda at 900p is taxing the hardware that badly?
Omnistalgic
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Yep, would take lovver res for smoother fps anytime. Hope Nintendo will consider that option with fw updates.
That would be nice and pretty easy to implement, actually. I can also live with more FPS on the big screen and I don't care much about 1080P - it's a nice thing to have, but FPS is more important.
But for now, maybe they should keep the options down or else we will have a situation where every game may have 10 different options for anything, like on PC.
Omnistalgic
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lots of people just don't care that much about performance tho man. Just wait for the DF stuff...
Diablohead
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Depends on how the engine uses this power, it could be all that grass causing a choke somewhere in the engine when trying to render it at a higher resolution.
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