this! bring him back as the leader of the covenant, make them join forces with humanity against the religious splinter group we fight in halo 4. they should get upgrades from the prometheans/forerunners in halo 5. that way, we can still have elites/grunts/jackals as enemies but give them a brand new look and abilities thanks to the forerunner tech.
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Halo 4 Story Spoilers and Speculations
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this! bring him back as the leader of the covenant, make them join forces with humanity against the religious splinter group we fight in halo 4. they should get upgrades from the prometheans/forerunners in halo 5. that way, we can still have elites/grunts/jackals as enemies but give them a brand new look and abilities thanks to the forerunner tech.
I think it's inevitable really, I just can't imagine what role he'd fill in the story after being debriefed by the Chief. Canonically, wtf is he even doing right now?
Or they could kill 2 birds with one stone and make him your new AI. WORT WORT WORT.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Chief will be all broken and hopeless and about to die, then as some Didact-like duder stands over Chief, ready to crush him, Chief sees PAST him - in the sky, it's Arby and Shipmaster sky-surfing down on energy swords to Nickelback.
Remember that spartan II's were selected after a genetic screening process - so to me it doesn't seem ridiculous that the librarian could have planted genes in human ancestors that would eventually end up in all of the spartans, knowing what would be necessary and what the UNSC would be likely to look for in candidates.
This makes it slightly less ridiculous.
Yeah. Except the dialogue was simply so poorly written that it sounded like "herp derp 100,000 years ago I decided to make a Master Chief and Cortana combo pack!"
User 73706
Banned
Keep in mind 343 was initially going with chess motifs right down to the enemy names, such as Promethean Knight. All Chief has to do is get a pawn to the end of the other side to revive his Queen.
thats what i meant. but you can bet your ass that this was intentional, so even the most stupid player gets it. 343 (like bungie) really seems to think most halo players are unable to understand storytelling that goes beyond "you are the one, kill the bad guy and save humanity".
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Subconscious morphogenetic fields. Enough of a seed to lead to certain discoveries down the line as humanity's understanding grew. Discoveries that were fast-tracked in the Spartan Program but that still didn't reach the point needed to take on what the Didact was cookin', so the Librarian needed to push the chief a bit further.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I hope in the next game we get to see real Spartans. Not these In Name Only Spartans. Spartan IIs for lyfe!1e12111
are there even more spartan 2's? arent they all "missing in action"?
NullPointer
Member
Maybe Jorge bumped into the Didact in some slipspace foyer.
User 73706
Banned
Sheeeeeeeit. If the Librarian's manipulating so much of this and deciding destiny maybe she managed to pull him and that third of a Supercarrier somewhere safe enough to keep him alive.
Team Grey might still operate secretely and is intact.
And I didn't read thursday war but what is with Fred and Kelly etc. ? Weren't they mentioned in the book?
NekoFever
Member
Off the top of my head there are five remaining.
Master Chief/John
Fred
Kelly
Linda
Naomi
That's assuming they all survive The Thursday War, which I haven't read yet.
hardlight.
NullPointer
Member
All I keep picturing is some kind of Time Bandits/Baron Münchhausen inside-the-belly-of-a-sea-monster scenario where Jorge and the Didact and Elites all sit at tables with their long beards playing card games and drinking.
Its probably what John was dreaming about when he was in cryo.
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NobleGundam
Banned
Who's the person or entity responsible for the coordinates to the Arks portal destination? Do we honestly think it was all just a coincidence? Floating in deep unknown space and Cortana's response is questioning herself and Chief as if she knew nothing of a Forerunner planet that took nearly 5 years to reach. It could've been Mendicant Bias but we really don't know for sure. Lets not forget Cortana was responsible of the socalled random jump to Installation 04.
Cuban Legend
Member
people, watch the trucking terminals. it condenses the first Forerunner book and the second, into like 10 minutes of pretty animated comic-style video.
NullPointer
Member
They should consider them patching them back into the game somehow. Even if in the campaign menu in a similar way to how you can watch episodes of Spartan Ops from that menu.
Of course, a seamless experience in-game would have been best.
i did, and i also read cryptum. but it shouldnt be necessary to understand the basic story.
and the fact that you can condense the two forerunner novels into 15 minutes of video, without losing much of important stuff, is very telling.
Doesn't it all come down to the same thing when the Master Chief was the only uncaged augmented human who also happened to get paired with an AI a few short months before he happened to hitch a ride on a breaking portal (right after saving the galaxy/universe the second time) that lead him straight into the space ball where the Librarian would upgrade him even further?
Or does this still count as Luck?
replaying the librarian scene, anyone else feel like the forerunner bit about using the composer to bridge the gap between digital and biotic life will play a role with cortana solving her rampancy? i've seen speculation about cortana becoming a real-life girl! one day, but it actually seems to be the direction the story will take and sounds embarrassingly lame. please dont do this.
NullPointer
Member
I think it comes down to being the first human who was able to overcome Requiem's defenses and reach Didact's Cryptum, and activate it. That could have taken place hundreds or thousands of years later, or never.
Cuban Legend
Member
you lose tons of important context, just the bare essentials are in the terminals, lots of other backstory and details aren't explained.
But you guys are right, segmenting the terminals from the game was probably a bad a idea because it confuses everyone who cares about the halo story but hasn't gotten into reading the books. all dude-bro's and owners of the books need not worry though... jaja
Yeah, so I finally finished the game. I guess they had good ideas, but they simply botched them to hell and back. The whole presentation of force ghost Cortana was so bizarre that it took me a while to figure out what had actually happened--maybe if they had shown her throw up some hard light before the cliched "no explosion just fade to white" end to the QTE...
Not without rewriting First Strike substantially. The only people who ultimately make it off Reach (and Halo, for that matter) are the Chief, a few members of Blue Team, Halsey, and Johnson. Jun didn't get a ride with them, so he's either chilling somewhere in the husk of Reach with Soren talking about the good ole' days, or he's <s>dead</s> MIA.
This is how I felt it was implied.
She planted the seeds for these ideas to take shape, not specifically for Chief/Cortana/Halsey as individuals.
They should go this route:
Fuck yes.
MalpercioGoC
Member
So I just played through the campaign a second and third time, and I just wanted to share a few speculative thoughts that very well may be very off, but hey, what the hell.
With each playthrough, I kept getting the feeling that the events of Halo 4 were specifically planned. I know that the Librarian mentions that she planted the seeds, and I'm not saying that it was planned that Chief and Cortana float in aboard half of the Forward Unto Dawn, by the way. It just seemed too convenient that of all planets to stumble upon, it would be a Shield World that the Didact was chilling on. It seemed to convenient that the Infinity was close by, close enough for the Didact to capture the signal and manipulate it so that it would appear to be coming from the center of the planet. That Chief and Cortana would just assume that a big glowy orb must be a signal relay.
I suppose what I'm saying is it almost felt as if someone or something was pulling the strings, ensuring that the events of the campaign occurred in the manner that they did.
Am I crazy? I'm probably crazy.
With each playthrough, I kept getting the feeling that the events of Halo 4 were specifically planned. I know that the Librarian mentions that she planted the seeds, and I'm not saying that it was planned that Chief and Cortana float in aboard half of the Forward Unto Dawn, by the way. It just seemed too convenient that of all planets to stumble upon, it would be a Shield World that the Didact was chilling on. It seemed to convenient that the Infinity was close by, close enough for the Didact to capture the signal and manipulate it so that it would appear to be coming from the center of the planet. That Chief and Cortana would just assume that a big glowy orb must be a signal relay.
I suppose what I'm saying is it almost felt as if someone or something was pulling the strings, ensuring that the events of the campaign occurred in the manner that they did.
Am I crazy? I'm probably crazy.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Couple things I didn't understand from the game.
I thought that if the "Composer" was used on humans they would simply evolve into Prometheans but instead they died and Chief was immune because of the Librarian. If thats the case was Didact's plan just to wipe out the human race? I must have missed that being the focus point because I thought his whole plan was just to turn the whole human race into Prometheans to be immune to the flood but the Librarians plan was for the Humans to advance enough to combat the flood while remaining the same.
Also the Librarian talks about the first Human/Promethean war. When did that happen? Did all of humanity almost get wiped out and they don't know about that. I honestly had never picked that up from any of the games.
I thought that if the "Composer" was used on humans they would simply evolve into Prometheans but instead they died and Chief was immune because of the Librarian. If thats the case was Didact's plan just to wipe out the human race? I must have missed that being the focus point because I thought his whole plan was just to turn the whole human race into Prometheans to be immune to the flood but the Librarians plan was for the Humans to advance enough to combat the flood while remaining the same.
Also the Librarian talks about the first Human/Promethean war. When did that happen? Did all of humanity almost get wiped out and they don't know about that. I honestly had never picked that up from any of the games.
â Narayan
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The Didact is painted as the antogonist for this trilogy, but does anyone have a feeling that this will eventually not end up being the case? From what I've read about the Precursors, they plan on uniting Humanity and the Forerunner through the Flood. The Didact and the Master Chief are competing to ensure Reclaimer status for their respective races. The Flood will eventually return, and the only way they will be stopped is if Humanity and the Forerunner unite against them. This is where I see this trilogy going. However, why the Precursors wish to unite the two races is beyond me.
They don't evolve on the spot to Prometheans. The gist of it is they get absorbed into data which can then be created into the digital beings known as Prometheans.
His whole plan was to use the ancient human race (instead of allying with them because he found them a sworn enemy because they were eradicating Forerunner colonies, but he did not know/believe they were only doing it to try and eradicate the Flood on the same planets entirely) to create a Promethean army to fight the Flood, but it was never enough to combat the infection because they spread too fast so he had to fire the Halos. That war was over 100 000 years ago, before humanity was "re-seeded" and developed into the humanity you see today.
If you haven't already, check out the terminals in the game as they explain a lot. It may still be hazy, but for the most part it's coherent.
Dr. Tillson and everyone else aboard the space station weren't "killed," they were composed.
The Didact's plan was to attack the Flood head on, exterminating them manually. He needed soldiers for that, and when the Forerunner based Prometheans were defeated, the Didact composed the early humans into Prometheans to continue his campaign against the Flood. The terminals explain the particulars.
When the Didact was awakened by Chief/Cortana, his plan then was to destroy humanity as we know it by composing them. He considered humanity the largest threat to the galaxy, and to the Forerunners.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Ah gotcha that makes sense. So humanity was advancing to combat the flood and Didact thought their aggressive expansion was fueled by a violent nature and desecration of Forerunner technology when really humanity was just trying to keep the flood at bay. Very cool. I will check out the terminals for sure. Thanks enzo.
yes. also the reason why chief is so "lucky". fits with previous games too.
halo 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snufN7YTUTI
Laws of plot. We tend to accept plenty of contrivance in creating conflict, with a few exceptions; it's when writers use contrivance to get *out* of conflict that we complain, and rightly so.
Pshh, no Nicole-458 from Dead or Alive 4.
Really dumb to kill her off. She is one of the best characters out there IMO. I wonder if there was a pay dispute with Jen Taylor for a 5th or 6th game? Hopefully a Cortana 2.0 comes back in Halo 5.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Cuban Legend
Member
Not canon.
Next game, probably. They set up plenty of potential mind issues for the Chief to deal with.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I honestly hope they don't go that route, unless the sociopaths are new characters. The already established Spartans have already been ruined enough, no need to sink further into the hole.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Anyone else find it interesting that Halsey is STILL locked up 6 months after the events on Requiem....?