Primethius
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But that's not what he did at all.
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Halo 5: Guardians Smashes Record with Biggest Halo Launch (games/hardware) in History
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But that's not what he did at all.
ebullientprism
Member
That it has sold significantly less than the previous games (mainline series) is a foregone conclusion at this point. It would be interesting to see how it did stacked up against what MS expected it to do.
Did they expect it to sell more than it did? Or were their expectations tempered after the disaster of MCC and the terrible fan reception to H4?
Did they expect it to sell more than it did? Or were their expectations tempered after the disaster of MCC and the terrible fan reception to H4?
Primethius
Banned
Pretty much, grasping at straws.
That doesn't really carry any weight coming from you
Well yea, of course it had growth. If people are buying Halo related items, be it the game, console, or controllers, the 400 million is a solid number. Brand growth = brand success. Now if it sold abysmal software numbers, but sold a lot of the other stuff, then yes, you could say that those low numbers have a significance. But do you really think the split on that 400 million is that low in favor for the software numbers?
No, I don't think that the software numbers are abysmal. In fact, they are probably extremely impressive for an exclusive title. Do I think they are the 3+ million of past Halo titles? No. That's the decline I'm concerned with.
victreeb3l
Member
Well deserved. Game is fantastic.
Chobel
Member
Because it has the Halo 5 name attached to it, that's why. It doesn't matter when it was released as long as its "Halo 5" hardware. I mean they're including the sales of Halo 5 LE bundle even though it was released the week before Halo 5 was released.
This sentence?
What's confusing about that? Two clear points:
- Biggest Halo launch
- Fastest selling Xbox exclusive
SteamyPunk
Member
Has it been confirmed whether the $400 million is made up completely of sold-through revenue? I don't think there's any doubt that Microsoft shipped 5~6 million copies of Halo 5.
Mate, it's highly possible Halo 5 branded hardware encompasses all related hardware (such as controllers and other peripherals).
Hence the issue being raised due to the combined revenue total.
Xbone exclusive. Well, it's not so hard to beat other Xbone exclusives in sales, isn't it?
You didn't finish the first sentence in your quote
RedAssedApe
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I agree.
MS numbers are almost always shipped to retailer.. can´t remember the last time they listed sell through numbers. But only MS knows for sure.
He probably did, but chose to ignore it anyway.
I'm assuming at this point you are PR for the PR
What I meant was he didn't quote the full sentence
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
damn you're right they didn't even specify a timeframe just a cut off. Seriously these guys need a raise.
Lmao, pretty accurate.
Oh shit, I didn't even notice that either
"people" just want to know about how much Halo 5 sold. Microsoft thoroughly obfuscated any ability to find that out prior to NPD with their PR. The only thing we know is it clearly did not measure up to prior Halo launches.
Well that's a given that it declined given by how they released their PR. I agree with that, I am not saying Halo 5 sold more than the others, I am aware it sold less simply because how they released the data.
What I am guessing you want to know is how much less in units.
That crosses the line for me, I don't really care how much less because I don't think it's a lot less, due to the $400 revenue figure.
Okay, but they said one week worth of sales, right? So which week is it, Oct 20-27, or Oct 27 - Nov 4?
The point at which I stop wondering about how it sold.
I only care that they sold enough so that Halo 6's investment is at least as good or better than their investment in Halo 5. And the revenue says I don't need to worry, so...
Dredd97
Member
ok I lolled 😉
Months of chief vs Locke and podcasts lead to the biggest misleading campaign to me. Gr arrest hunt of all time my ass
What line?
statham
Member
they didn't with Halo 4 after a week and we know that sold very well in the beginning.
Primethius
Banned
I mean, I can't really be sure because of how amazing the PR is. It hides so much. It's hard to pin down the exact decline. Which is why the UK sales were so interesting because they gave us a near exact decline. We'll know the real numbers come NPD in about a week regardless but I personally was hoping to figure out at least some barometers for where the success landed (e.g. above/below certain thresholds).
And no, it just gives a cut-off timing. Not that it's one week of hardware sales.
LifEndz
Member
I love how people think they're not disclosing numbers to be misleading. People need to understand that shareholders don't give a shit about copies sold, rather how much revenue a single franchise can bring in with all related material.
Also:
Hey people from the UK sales thread!
You and your nine friends are the true barometer for sales numbers.
Sure, you just twist everything I say.
With the numbers we have you can make a very rough guess based on rough numbers. Bottom line is, if the game was 20/80, then it sold all it's 150k copies in the first day and sold nothing else for the rest of the week.
Variables which can skew the workings:
- Average game cost for the units sold in revenue
- How much was spent on micro transactions, or whether they got included at all.
- Special editions, based on the volume sold compared to normal variants, this could drag this average price per game up
EDIT: I'll put the workings here again just so people can see.
Revenue: 7.7mil in the first day
Average cost per game: £41
Physical copies sold in a week: 150,000
7,700,000/41 = 187,804 copies sold in the first day
20/80 split physical/digital
187,804 x 0.8 (80%) = 150,243 physical copies sold in the first day
So yeah... doesn't add up at 20/80.
Chobel
Member
They're including everything "Halo 5" that was sold before Nov 4th.
Judging by this PR there's another variable, the number of Halo 5 LE bundle sold.
Mushroomer25
Member
As long as it sold fewer copies than a single Halo game, they'd be unable to say 'highest selling Halo game' or anything to that effect.
Wasn't Halo 3 the long-time holder of the 'biggest entertainment launch' record that this industry loves to trade around? I don't think it's a stretch to doubt that 5 sold less than the game coming from the franchise at its cultural peak - and on the market leading console.
The Mad Draklor
Member
The $400 million figure also takes into account the LE bundle, Locke themed controller, Master Chief themed controller, and the Halo themed ASTRO A40 headset.
Oh yeah, sorry, adding that in now.
Glorified G
Member
This thread has it all.
Newtype-001
Member
I just had my sensible chuckle for the morning.
Highest selling on the XB1, as they are comparing the launch of Halo 5 with the launch of the MCC. They aren't comparing it to previous Xbox/X360 Halo launches.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Halo 5 isn't claiming the 'biggest entertainment launch' though. As that record belongs to GTA V with $1 billion.
This is just the biggest launch by revenue for a Halo game, which makes sense when you factor in counting hardware (system, maybe the controller too?).
I see. Then it wouldn't surprise me if they included the controllers that released in early October. There were a lot of people buying them in anticipation for the game, and they do look pretty cool.
No, where are you getting that they are counting a third party product as part of the revenue for Halo 5? might as well include all the toys and shirts while you are at it...
The Mad Draklor
Member
Then explain the Xbox One banner on top of this package. Also, toys and shirts aren't hardware.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
The implication is obvious. He chooses to highlight just the controllers themselves without giving the other more important pieces of Halo 5 related products even the slightest mention, then goes on to mockingly compliment Microsoft for their misleading public relations tactics.
His intention to diminish the relevance of anything else associated with Halo 5's release outside of some controllers is obvious enough that even a blind person could see it. Basically people just went out and bought those new controllers in big numbers and their sales are being included in an effort to hide the fact that Halo 5 underperformed. We all know that's what the guy is really getting at with his post. Why even attempt to deny it?
So I take this to mean there was no legendary edition for either Halo 3 or 4. So I'm crazy and I really didn't get that big ass Master Chief helmet that's still in my room from when I bought Halo 3 LE. No OSTs or action figures were on sale back then either, and neither were any other piece of Halo branded material.
The one spinning is you buddy. And let's also not forget that Halo 4 console bundle which also had controllers made for the game's release.
Monster Zero
Junior Member
Why pick apart the PR, it's not for us, just wait for NPD to continue the halo is ded narrative. That thread gonna be a graveyard if Halo 5 sells less than 4/3.
Didn't you get the memo. You're not supposed to like this game and hate on it like Neogaf and Angry Joe tell you to.
Mate, 20% is just the low end of the predictions, with ~30% being the highest.
The issue people had with your numbers was that you were implying percentages well above that, for which there's no precedent for a AAA exclusive.
Obliterator
Member
There is zero reference to units.
This game is not the biggest Halo launch by a long shot in units unless digital is MONSTEROUS
Brilliant PR though. MS are Kings of it
This game is not the biggest Halo launch by a long shot in units unless digital is MONSTEROUS
Brilliant PR though. MS are Kings of it