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Halo |OT10| The Calm Before The Storm
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How long will you be around on Saturday? Doing the podcast every night, welcome to join of you like.
timetokill
Banned
I'm excited for the new Forge stuff, personally. I spent a ton of time in Forge in Reach, probably more than most, and I'm eager to get back into it and be creative.
I think the three maps have a lot of possibilities and some good unique terrain to build around as well.
I think the three maps have a lot of possibilities and some good unique terrain to build around as well.
Barrow Roll
Member
No kidding. I don't know how Hyper can afford all these trips from Germany. Vancouver to New York is out of the question for me.
Sounds like PAX all over again. I regret nothing!Yep! Thursday through Sunday. Halo 4 panel is on Saturday. Probably spending most of my time at the Microsoft booth.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Yep! Thursday through Sunday. Halo 4 panel is on Saturday. Probably spending most of my time at the Microsoft booth.
Awesome - have fun guys!
I want you all to know I am raging with jealousy
Getting in at 5 am. Leaving whenever I want. I do plan on going home for Sunday though.
Ok well it will probably be around midnight when we record so do you.
Yeah I'll join in on that.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Will there actually be a live stream of the panels? Can't remember hearing anything about it.
User 73932
Banned
Turf sucks.
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
What's been going on in here? I haven't seen any natural light in a while.
Shut UP that is my favorite map.
Just talking about what a dapper man you are. So more of the same.
Remakes, yes. But 1 flag Turf in Halo 2 was sex.
Yeah, that was my primary wish. My top two hopes for Forge in Halo 4 were:
1) "Natural" objects to shape the landscap with; grassy hill shapes, trees, etc, rather than all metal, glass and rock.
2) A way to lock pieces together, perhaps in similar fashion as the magnets: fuse them so we can move a grouping of geometry, rather than one piece at a time. So many times I've built a base, or part of one, and then had to move it - one piece at a time. We'll still need to.
This omits a wide open space to Forge in. I honestly thought that was a no-brainer.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Forge controversy mostly.
Big HaloGAF crew rocking their way into NYC right now.
Prep work really.
Hydranockz
Member
timetokill
Banned
This is the main thing I'm missing still, too. I really wanted to define objects as a group and duplicate them all together.
You can pretty much build anywhere in space, or over that lake area. Those areas are pretty damn big. Not sure how big you were planning to need.
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Going round in Halos in here.
How was IGN?
Edit: Zeouter'd. Bawls
IGN was good. Filmed a segment for next week's Up at Noon and did a podcast segment that should go up closer to November. No earth shattering reveals, but some good conversations were had.
GG, But i did feel i was doing a lot of this tonight.
Lol.
6 shotting people?
Hydranockz
Member
The latter is al I really care for in podcasts lately. There are plenty of other mediums to better encapsulate relevant gaming info.
If there's another HaloGAF humpday, can arrangements be made to capture it in high quality like the Exile game from PAX?
I just want some direct feed matches man...
That would be nice. However, I'm not sure if there will be enough 343 members to form a decent team. I wouldn't mind switching teams and offering my backpack.
Why the hell did that guy feel the need to make a VIDEO for that information?
Hypertrooper posted it yesterday - way easier to process. This whole 'GOTTA YOUTUBE EVERYTHING' attitude some channel owners have is making my head hurt.
I'd guess it's because of the fabulous wealth he's generating from all those YouTube hits.
squidhands
Member
every day is squid day :-D
says the guy responsible for the incredibly linear Conquest gametype. ;-)
I hope I get to eat some crow later once I've gotten ahold of the game, but even going in with little expectations didn't help now that I've watched those forge videos. I feel like opportunities were already missed on some pretty big things, but at the very least I hope framerate issues aren't as prevalent as they were in Reach.
Big flat floors were always needed. Having to throw down pieces for flooring not only eats into budget, but adds to the monochromatic feel that we're once again getting despite the very nice looking lighting system.
Hydranockz
Member
Ajemsuhgao
Member
The only problem I see with having a premade hill or anything like that is collision for walking and vehicles. Let's say you have a collision model that is per-poly the same as the hill mesh. Now, the steep-ness of the hill as a whole should be fine to scale or drive up. But then, what if you put it part ways into the ground, or rotate it? Now you may have a problem where you actually can't walk or drive up it.
That being said, trees would be fine, but I imagine the limit on trees would be really low, since trees(good ones at least) tend to be fairly taxing on the hardware. You have a thick bunch of planes, with opacity maps, and now lighting that should show throw those opacity maps. Trees could get out of hand.
I think he was talking about a wide open space on the ground. Like how Sandbox was. Building the map in the air is fine as far as build space is concerned, but then you have to build a floor which 1.Uses up your budget, and 2. Is usually pretty ugly.
If there's another HaloGAF humpday, can arrangements be made to capture it in high quality like the Exile game from PAX?
I just want some direct feed matches man...
I don't think they want to do that anymore.
I mean, you know, for good reason.
ncsuDuncan
Member
Microsoft should really establish some rules to stop people like that.
Vire
Member
People complaining about lack of flat spaces in Forge.
People complaining about monochromatic structures
Excitement over David Fincher involvement.
Thursday War debates.
Talking about how handsome Frankie is.
But mainly just the first two.
GodlyPerfection
Member
lol... You caught me.
Speaking of I'm thinking of revamping the gametype to be less meat grinder and more tactical... lol. And I'm doing it with Dominion too. Oh it's on.
timetokill
Banned
That makes sense. I didn't feel we really got one of those in Reach either, and I can definitely see why it would be really useful.
The other thing that is missing for me (besides the group duplication stuff) is making Forge DLC. I'd love to get DLC that gives us more terrains and things to deal with as well as new palettes. Maybe then we could get a big flatland zone like that, with maybe a covenant palette or (gasp) something totally different.
Oh, I get it. HA HA HA.
I don't remember the last time I used the Kinect. Probably for Waypoint. If the Kinect is turned off Waypoint doesn't work for me.
I've seen a few comments like this in response to my posts, so some elaboration and (hopefully) clarity is probably in order.
Generally speaking, I only build BTB maps, because that’s what I like to play. I built a total of five maps in Halo 3, maps that were polished and iterated on many times to a point where I was satisfied with them. (I'd started over a dozen, but only five made the cut, so to speak.)
I built just two maps to completion with Reach, despite the expanded tool set and dramatic increase in ease of use. As with Halo 3, I started over a dozen. I only built two to completion in Reach because while I kept coming up with map ideas, for the most part they didn't fit in with the geometry of Forge World. And to build them up in the air – as I did with one of the maps – placed serious creative limitations on the map: it meant every surface had to be flat and grey. And then in the end, the use of nothing but Forge objects as the geometry cratered the frame rate, making them unplayable in BTB HaloGAF customs, which is why I built them. Both maps were killed that way. I spent weeks working on them and one playtest killed’em dead.
One of the maps I attempted but never completed was set in the Gulch. But the terrain was uneven, and the space asymmetric, and so I kept having to change my designs to fit the geometry. And after a week of trying to get my ideas to fit in there, my original ideas were unrecognizable and I gave up in frustration.
What I wanted in Halo 4 was this: A big open flat space like the basin on Sandbox, but an open grassy meadow instead. And then 5-6 different grass-textured large objects to place to form my own hills on that space. Then I could dream up a map - symmetric or asymmetric - and make it as flat or hilly as I wanted, without the result looking like a grey metal dungeon. Toss in a range of rocks, tree objects, and the suite of additional Forge objects, and you’d be able to “accidentally” make beautiful maps, as the developer on the video said.
Right now it looks like the three Forge maps have the same set of limitations as Forge World: no big open spaces to build on. So if I dream up a BTB map, and that map does not fit in with the highly detailed geometry the map designers came up with, I have to use all Forge pieces. And then those pieces mean everything is flat and grey, which everyone hates because it's boring and ugly. And even if I manage to make a map I like, despite it being flat and grey, I run the risk of cratering the frame rate and so end up with junk in the end. (Again, this is how my work in Reach all ended.)
That's why I'm bummed out about Halo 4's Forge.
You do realize they let you guys win so you would be sucking up to the game even more, right?
Hopefully you will come up with some great ideas besides the fact. It is interesting that they don't have any large scale Flat Landscapes for a Big Team Battle setting, however the options provided seem interesting enough. Perhaps the Space/Asteroid setting will allow for some interesting and new ideas. That erosion map seems interesting with the space with all of the water, and Ravine seems like it has a lot of potential as well, given that Forerunner structure. I'm inclined to believe we might get a new forge environment with DLC at some point as well.
timetokill
Banned
That all makes total sense, and thanks for clarifying. Personally I don't generally build BTB maps so I don't miss it, so this bit of context helps a lot. And it is a shame. I too would love to get more "natural" elements that we could phase together to make really interesting looking maps, and it is a shame that we seem to mostly be getting more of just the basics.
I think with Reach I ended up making maps a bit of the reverse way I did in 3 -- instead of building from "Scratch" I would spend a long time looking around the map and looking for the natural advantages in a spot that matched the kind of map I wanted to do, and then built around that. But that is obviously really limiting and it also gives you that sense that your maps are somewhat artificially being limited.
I'm still amped for it and it's one of the main reasons I want the game, and I'm partly just trying not to get myself down on it because I know I'll end up having a lot of fun. But yeah, not having a Sandbox alternative this long into it is a bummer, to be sure. Or not even having a "Floor" specialty object that could be scaled in the x and z directions so you could have a big, one-piece floor.
Lollllllllllllllll
ViewtifulJC
Banned
"new Halo game is out. No small maps, 5-shot BRs, ugly helmets, no dedis, we don't even know the ranking system, the biggest improvement to Forge in 3 years is shadows, AAs are back and multiplied times 3, RIP Halo/Free EazyB/Hire Juices"
bobs...onGaf
Member
Thursday War minor spoilers:
So the reference to nano-machines modifying Naomi's armour to the point where it was new to her really bothered me. I think the whole nano machine thing is cheap - I would prefer a terminal showing Cortana spending the 3 years aboard FuD designing schematics and improving Chiefs armour using the tools on the ship. Why do nano-machines have to be a thing? Why would Spartan 2's have nanomachines that modified their armour beyond recognition. Wtf.
Really bothers me how weird Naomi's armour looks - based on the book I presume that's her on the cover. What the hell happened to her armour - what the hell happened to the classic helmet? Before reading the book I presumed that was a Spartan 4.
Its a pretty insignificant thing in isolation, but is just part of the wider philosophy which I dont like.
Really bothers me how weird Naomi's armour looks - based on the book I presume that's her on the cover. What the hell happened to her armour - what the hell happened to the classic helmet? Before reading the book I presumed that was a Spartan 4.
Its a pretty insignificant thing in isolation, but is just part of the wider philosophy which I dont like.
How about Halo 4 |OT| At least forge has better lighting
;-)
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Have fun at NYCC folks. Question, is the panel being live streamed?