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Slower Hammer so the Sword isn't useless. It's nearly impossible to kill Hammer With Sword.
In Halo 3 Sword was the finesse weapon, while Hammer was brute (get it?) force. You could bait Hammer to swing, step out of range, lunge in for the kill.
In Halo 4 you bait Hammer to swing, step out of range, lunge in for the kill but get a tie, at best, due to spammy Hammer.
The way it's supposed to work:
Runner beats Hammer
Hammer beats Sword
Sword beats Runner
Talented Runner can beat Sword
Ninja Sword can beat Hammer
Crafty Hammer can bonk Runner
Fast Hammer reload upsets the balance.
In Halo 3 Sword was the finesse weapon, while Hammer was brute (get it?) force. You could bait Hammer to swing, step out of range, lunge in for the kill.
In Halo 4 you bait Hammer to swing, step out of range, lunge in for the kill but get a tie, at best, due to spammy Hammer.
The way it's supposed to work:
Runner beats Hammer
Hammer beats Sword
Sword beats Runner
Talented Runner can beat Sword
Ninja Sword can beat Hammer
Crafty Hammer can bonk Runner
Fast Hammer reload upsets the balance.
Ok, makes sense. I would hope they would make these changes just for Grifball. Honestly Hammer and Sword should just be tweaked to Grifball needs.
What are these maps?
Sword is perfect. Range, damage and reload time. No changes required there.
Poker Face
Member
April 8th
I mean even from the outset too. For Halo 5 they should just get you guys to tune those weapons.
Zeouterlimits
Member
That's crazy and really cool of them.
Huge props to both of them.
Big wtf to whomever decided what to do for launch instead of this.
User 73706
Banned
I wonder how bad the nerd rage would have gotten if at launch we just got three copies of Forge Island; all the same, but with reskinned environments/pieces.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
That wouldn't be too bad.
StalkerUKCG
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Right, Giveaway time.
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Demoncarnotaur
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Kinda reminds me of how LE buyers weren't gonna get the season pass goodies. Hopefully they learned from that and will send the soundtrack to everyone who bought the LE ost.
And that is totally awesome.
If I had one complaint, it is not the simplicity, but rather the skybox looks relatively the same in all directions making player navigation/orientation more difficult.
OdysseusVA
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Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
I've never played Gears of War 1 (played Gears 2 like a tiny amount, Played Gears of War 3 and Judgment) so I'd like to see how Gears of War started out.
Mine eyes want to gaze upon all dat juice, one more time.
I really don't want it, just wanted to say that.
Gears 1 wasn't bad, it's just that companies can't help themselves and continually dumb down each sequel.
User 73706
Banned
gears 1 is gud
gears 2 is bad
gears 3 is bad
2 > 1
gears: bad
gears 2 is bad
gears 3 is bad
2 > 1
gears: bad
How do the strafe physics in H4 compare to the previous Halos right now?
Edit: Which Halo had your ideal strafe speed?
Gabotron ES
Member
This x1000
NobleGundam
Banned
IGN's Infinite Review said:
Innovative Campaign "&" MP?
Which Halo 4 doesn't have...
Sorta depressing.
Let's try this logic for Halo:
Halo 1 is gud
Halo 2 is gud
Halo 3 is gud
Halo: ODST is gud
Halo: Reach is bad
Halo 4 is bad
4>2
Halo: gud
Franklinator
Member
The only Gears I liked was 3. I woke up at like 4 in the morning one day because I wasn't feeling well and played through the whole thing at once. It was a weird day.
Bioshock has multiplayer?
wut
I only played the first one and I didn't find it all that good. What's Infinite like?
Gabotron ES
Member
Nice to hear, keep it simple for 5.
Also did yo guys ever tried getting forgeable hills/pieces of terrain into Forge Island?
Played it for a little while. Never owned it. Gonna try to buy all of them and play them all in a row and end with judgement. Thanks.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Kevin Franklin!
"Ideal" strafe speed really depends on a lot of other factors, most importantly the interplay between how hard it is to land shots and how easy it is to have a "good" strafe. Right now, it's simply too easy to land shots given the current strafe. Halo 2 had a great strafe but it also had a massive amount of aim assists, which really negated the strafe. Halo 3 and Reach had bad strafe speeds.
It's hard to really pinpoint the "ideal" strafe because it's not that simple and it depends on other factors, suffice to say it needs to be faster than it currently is, assuming all other factors remain the same. When I say "faster," I really mean the change of direction needs to be more rapid (the acceleration of the player if you want to get into the physics).
If we had Halo 2's strafe speed it would certainly be a notable improvement, assuming it doesn't revert to Halo 2 level aim assists. I'd like to see around Halo 2 level strafing with the addition of lowered aim assists as well.
Once you fix the strafe, a lot of other improvements start to fall into place. You can increase the damage which allows great players to differentiate themselves more, firefights get a lot more interesting because players can challenge more if they think they are a better skill-player than their opponent, they can take on multiple opponents, different strategies evolve as the game starts to rely less on team-shot, and so on.
lybertyboy
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I'm not a engineer by any stretch, but allowing custom terrain deformation is a pretty big technical hurdle in our engine. Some engines obviously are built around such things.
However, there are some new forge pieces (not hills per se, but natural stuff) that weren't shown in the demo from the panel. I assume you'll be hearing more about those in the coming weeks.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I bought a 360 for and played the hell out of Gears 1 during its month of release, but then I was going on forums and half the topics were about how their 360s were breaking so I returned it all and didn't get another until '08. By then I had Halo so lol Gears. I still had great times with it though.
Listen to this man.
Syphon Filter
Member
whats wrong with gears 2? its great!
The frustrating thing is that all these designers try so hard to force teamwork or force variety or force fairness. If they just opened up the skill-gap, variety and strategy will exponentially increase organically and dynamically. It's like an overbearing government medling in an economy; the economy will fix itself if you open it up and let it work.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I know if we were to ask you'd say we cant talk about that.
But I really hope there's a new engine for the next gen and Halo 5.
Would remove a lot of these barriers for big "wish list" features like this.
Syphon Filter
Member
i like them for different reasons. loved gears for round based matches.
YourExWife
Member
lol - the classic "my xbox isn't working so I'm naively blaming the last game I got" line. Never fails to amuse.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
I played Gears 1 from Emergence day, hit Seriously twice. Played the hell out of Gears 2. And Gears 2 was a disaster. Fucking terrible.
From the absolute botched launch, the no blind firing shotgun glitch/feature on launch, matchmaking issues, OP planted grenades, lag issues, reduced speed etc etc.
That game was completely fucked.
Syphon Filter
Member
never had most of those issues.
Gears 2 was the worst of the series. It was so slow and dumbed down it was just embarrassing.
A smoke grenade that knocks you down for 10 seconds! What an awful addition.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
You cant possible have played this game if you didn't experience this stuff. It wasn't one off problem here and there it was constant. Any time you played. I still played it a lot though, I liked it. But looking back, and after playing Gears 3 its pretty clear just how bad that game was.
The matchmaking problems were legendary. The movement speed was slow motion in comparison to Gears 1.
You could not move anywhere on Jacinto without walking into a planted grenade.
Blood Drive, You had to avoid the stairs just in case a smoke grenade went off near you and knocked you to the ground and you slowly slid down the stairs unable to stand up for between 5-30 seconds.
Glitching out of walls with the boomshield.
Dedicated servers on launch for Gears 3 showed exactly what Gears 2 should have been.
Instead it was a laggy buggy mess. Fuck that game and all the time I put into it.
And this is just going off memory, I havent played that game in years. If you thought that game was great then clearly you have no standards for a polished functioning game.
Syphon Filter
Member
how is gears 3 not more dumbed down? gears was always a methodical game...
Syphon Filter
Member
I didn't say it had no issues but i thought it was still a great game.
I thought the engine they built for Halo 4 was developed with next-gen expansion in mind?
(i could be wrong)
It will likely be the same game engine, just tweaked to take advantage of the extra processing power.
hopefully they have the engine use that extra power for improved performance (splitscreen), not graphics updates
Liked all the Gears games, but the first one felt like something new. Active reload and the co-op felt more natural, though I leaned how much I detest instant kill/fail scenarios when you'd get split up, damn rails and wretches. I mostly played SP and Horde though as Halo was my MP of choice and I just didn't have the time.
slow base movement, slow strafing, long kill times, and high aim assist/magnetism are all concrete facets of Halo's design and I sincerely doubt that anyone employed by Microsoft/343 thinks that those characteristics are not inherently good
basically the only way there's ever going to be another good arena FPS that's similar to CE is if myself and a handful of others from here make it (or make a mod for Halo 3 PC)
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