H_Prestige
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1. The market for that is small
2. Sony could have made a much cheaper device if all they wanted was ps4 remote play
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House: Vita TV aimed at casual/family users, intended to compete with Apple TV et al.
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1. The market for that is small
2. Sony could have made a much cheaper device if all they wanted was ps4 remote play
I haven't seen anything about multiplayer except that PS 1 games will support it. What do you mean?
Phoenician_Viking
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Devilgunman
Member
But those unsupported games don't matter in Japan though. Sony already nailed down almost all Japanese-centric games for Vita TV: Dynasty Warrior, Gundam Breaker, Soul Sacrifice, FFX HD, P4G, God Eater 2 etc. Even though those games are available on other platforms, Vita TV is the cheapest console to play it and that can be a selling point.
Sony only talked about local multiplayer on PS1 and Adhoc to another Vita and talk nothing about online mp. That kinda implies where's their focus is.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
I hope they pack in a little plastic remote with the base model, when this releases in EU and NA. That's the only way I see it surviving among the casual crowd who has no interest in gaming. I honestly think the first company to blitz the market with a huge ad campaign for these "app box" devices will gain a decent strong foothold. I didn't even know about these type of devices until a year ago. I think they'll have great mainstream appeal, especially to the young adult crowd, that doesn't want to buy a cable box, but would like to enjoy movies on the big screen.
ah, good point. The specs do say it is HDMI-CEC compatible so if you have a suitable TV that should work.
Just needs more apps then (but so does PS3/4 so hopefully sony push on that front)
SatelliteOfLove
Member
What is this sentence? It sounds like it went thru the babelfish blender a few times.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yep sony NEEDS to include a small little remote
It just doesn't make sense not too
I think vita tv has a chance if the marketing is done correctly
Why good luck with that?
It's a solid piece of kit that allows users to play PlayStation classics, if anything, it's what users of the Apple TV have wanted, games in addition to streaming services. I think Sony have a solid foundation for competing against the Apple TV and Google Chromecast.
I would purchase personally, if it supported 1080p playback.
frankie_baby
Member
when pretty much all existing smart tvs do stuff at 1080p, would be a downgrade in some ways
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Quality=/=Sales
That's why I don't think that people are going to associate it with something negative. Specially because Sony already was promoting Vita as 'a console in you pocket'. Now is 'a cheap console that can be used to watch Netflix in you TV' .
I think it compares pretty well to the apple TV
Apple TV
- cheap $99 box sits under your TV
- buy movies and music from Apple's store
- stream movies, music and photos from your home network*
*only supports limited formats, may require you to re-encode your videos to be compatible
- plays netflix etc
- works as a remote display for your $500 tablet
VitaTV
- cheap $99 box sits under your TV
- buy movies and music from Sony's store
- stream movies, music and photos from your home network*
*only supports limited formats, may require you to re-encode your videos to be compatible
- plays netflix etc
- works as a remote display for your $400 games console
- oh, and it plays Vita, PS1 and PSP games
Apple TV
- cheap $99 box sits under your TV
- buy movies and music from Apple's store
- stream movies, music and photos from your home network*
*only supports limited formats, may require you to re-encode your videos to be compatible
- plays netflix etc
- works as a remote display for your $500 tablet
VitaTV
- cheap $99 box sits under your TV
- buy movies and music from Sony's store
- stream movies, music and photos from your home network*
*only supports limited formats, may require you to re-encode your videos to be compatible
- plays netflix etc
- works as a remote display for your $400 games console
- oh, and it plays Vita, PS1 and PSP games
AranhaHunter
Banned
Well, don't you need an ipad/iphone to play games on appletv? Kind of the same deal here.
I do hope Sony makes an app for android/ios/w8 as well as allow for universal controller support, so that people can at least control the media functions of the device without any extra cost.
Sony does not have a music store. Only music unlimited radio streaming, which is not the same thing at all. Furthermore, appletv has a plethora of apps not available on sen's ecosystem.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Why didn't Sony charge me again for my classic games? Why is Sony pushing cross buy so hard?
frankie_baby
Member
perhaps, was just thinking about it in relation to a $200 ps3 though
frankie_baby
Member
well they've got to make up the money for that somewhere right?
Apple TV doesn't play games (yet) this does.
I had the 2nd Gen Apple TV, which maxxed out at 720p.
When I upgraded to a 55" LED, I was going to go out and buy the 3rd Gen Apple TV (which does 1080p) and now I'm not. I'll just get a Vita TV instead.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
They make the money back by getting people invested in their ecosystem, Apple has a fantastic ecosystem because everything is unified. If I buy something from iTunes, it'll most likely work on my ipod touch, iphone and ipad. The better your ecosystem is, the more people buy from you. You don't create a ecosystem by charging people for the same shit they already bought digitally. The aren't loosing money, they are making it.
Glorified G
Member
Nah, you saw the name Apple TV and just assumed it was a popular product
So what are you confused by? The idea of a streaming device that also plays games? Brain using is hard work!
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Do people care about any apps for Apple TV outside of the obvious video ones like Neflix?
frankie_baby
Member
I guess this is the first time you've dealt with sarcasm
fair enough. So Sony 'only' has unlimited streaming. Still, it has a music service. And you can still buy your music on your computer and stream it over your network.
And what is this 'plethora' of apps that apple TV has? Last I looked it was pretty poor and barely any better than PS3. Granted, Vita lags behind that but Apple TV wants you to buy apple stuff and the range of apps shows that.
http://www.apple.com/appletv/whats-on/
I feel vindicated
Absolutely not. If you don't have a Dualshock in some capacity, you don't have a games console. Sony doesn't make money if you're not also buying games. At least in it's current form without it's more extensive media apps. Yes, it needs more apps though, Sony's support for the Playstation on that front is weaker than Apples. But, I'm fairly sure even if Sony's own plans for IPTV aren't big enough they'll start hunting for more media apps for it. I mean comeon, Crunchyroll has been in development for a year now.
The only reason I bought a Vita a year ago instead of eventually, was because by the time it was released, I already had about 10-15 games on it.
Minecraft bundle for $100. Limited edition. 5 Million units sold right there. " Mommy !! Can you buy me this Wipeout game too ?? ". Snowball.
Devilgunman
Member
Zoe
Member
This is coming before the PS4 releases in Asia.
It supports HDMI-CEC as well as the PS3's remotes.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I honestly didn't know you were being sarcastic, my bad hahaha.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I thought apple tv had lots of the multimedia apps on the app store. That's a rather limited list on that link there, but, as you said, still greater than what's on vita right now.
What App Store? My Apple TV has no App Store. And I have the latest firmware. Am I missing something or are these assumptions?
TheMasterGoblin
Member
It's more likly that this number is closer to 16 million right now then 20.
Keep in mind that ONLY 16 million is a lot more (by a factor of 2 or 3) then the Wii U and PS Vita combined. Plus this number is probably growing.
Most of those are the newest model which is a year and a half old. Apple has a tendency to upgrade it's hardware after one to two years, and it's time (or nearly time) for an upgrade on the Apple TV. If Apple decides to crank it up to say the new A7 (or the as of now theoretical A7X), open up the Apple TV SDK, and with it's new iOS controller standards and API support (as of iOS 7 which will be available soon), it could be a significant product.
Don't underestimate the Apple TV too easily, especially if Apple decides to move it away from a "hobby" and into a full member of it's product line.
TetraGenesis
Member
Circle. The same way you do on a vita.
I think many people assume the Apple TV runs the same OS as the other iOS devices. Which I also used to assume.
In the meantime, Apple TV has no App Store. Vita TV does. Apple TV doesn't have popular casual games like minecraft. Vita TV soon will. Apple TV will never have Gaikai streaming of games from every Playstation era. By 2014, Vita TV will. Apple TV will never get upgradable memory. Vita TV does. Apple TV will never stream your PS4 into a secondary room. Vita TV will.
If you're one of the millions that would buy Apple TV or Roku just for Netflix streaming, Sony has a compelling product on its way.
If you need Apple TV for AirPlay, then obviously the Apple TV is still the product for you.
And my Apple TV is quite slow. It's obvious that it doesn't have a lot of raw computing power. Vita TV does. It also has more internal RAM than PS3 and 360.
TetraGenesis
Member
Not even kidding, just a half hour ago I was driving home thinking about the Vita TV and it hit me. I literally said out loud in my car, "Vita TV will have Minecraft. VITA TV WILL HAVE MINECRAFT!"
Now, I am just excited to have full Minecraft on the go with my actual Vita, but the Vita TV launching with Minecraft, Jetpack Joyride, PvZ, etc...it will be a-ok for the casuals.
Imagine (being a casual and) having Minecraft on your Vita TV with your huge world that you spent months working on, and you want to show your friends, so you pop the VTV in your pocket and hook it up to your friend's TV.
TheMasterGoblin
Member
Mostly true right now. All of this is speculative currently, execpt that Apple will upgrade it's product soon (to what we won't know until they do).
As for the PS Vita TV, you will have to wait to get one unless your in Asia since it's not coming to the west anytime soon. Which is a shame since I would like to pick one up (and I do have an Apple TV which I'm happy with).
frankie_baby
Member
its alright and my last comment wasn't meant to seem as cranky as it did (well actually it was lol)
wapplew
Member
Oh, never try button control on my vita. Is X for me, Asia machine.
I think it will work, Vita TV maybe better than Vita in some way
It don't have to worry about battery life, so the wifi is alway on
Devilgunman
Member
I think Sony's aggressive Idies push is largely for Vita TV. By the time it launches in US, Vita TV will have selections of cheap games just like iOS and Android. Even though the numbers will be significantly less than the iOS and Android, it will probably have less garbage than the other two as well. All of these are speculation but I really believe Vita TV has potential to turn Sony around just like an iPod did to Apple.
TetraGenesis
Member
The indie push Sony made for the Vita makes even more sense knowing as of a year ago they started to seriously reconsider their market. All those excellent indie games are perfect on the vita but make even more sense on Vita TV to bolster the variety and quantity of cheap, accessible titles available as quick downloads from the store. Exactly what a device like VTV needs while the larger Vita titles and PS1/PSP games are something that sets it apart.
Now Sony just needs to cultivate the Vita's app market in a big way. It is severely lacking in what might be its most essential category.
Pandora, Spotify, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime Streaming (that's not on there is it?), HBOGo (maybe that's a pipe dream), etc.
Now Sony just needs to cultivate the Vita's app market in a big way. It is severely lacking in what might be its most essential category.
Pandora, Spotify, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime Streaming (that's not on there is it?), HBOGo (maybe that's a pipe dream), etc.
TetraGenesis
Member
That's a good point. One of the most frustrating things about the vita is how it cuts out of Wi-Fi even if you sleep it just for a second.
And it has to give you, like, TWENTY notifications about it.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Maybe for wireless but it has an Ethernet port. Would have been nice to give us the choice but its hardly a deal breaker.
Marty Chinn
Member
I'm kinda surprised the Ethernet port is there to be honest. I'm quite happy it is, but unfortunately it seems like most people deal with WiFi these days so it would be an easy place to cut cost if needed. Offering the choice might be confusing or may even hurt the reaction on the capability so I can understand them being cautious. Remote play was often laggy on the PSP and was a reason I stopped using it.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I assumed the apple tv ran the same OS as other iOS devices and had access to the same app store, albeit with a more limited selection than the iphone store. Seems like that's not the case.
TheLegendary
Member
Good luck