Gotdatmoney
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It's not even feasible currently.
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How much more powerful is the Switch vs Wii U?
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It's not even feasible currently.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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Poor switch
frankie_baby
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Had they gone with a pascal tegra it wouldnt have been that far off but probably would have priced it out if the market
That would've netted about 40% extra performance at the same power level, which still is a ways off from XB1. Would've been more expensive too, indeed.
Wii U only can run Mario Kart 8 at 720p and 59fps. Is not strong enough to run UE4 games.
Switch can run Mario Kart 8 at 1080p and 60fps. It has UE4 support.
This is a huge increasement in performance. Consider Switch between Xone and Wii U, perhaps closer to Wii U than Xone, but not far from the middle.
Switch can run Mario Kart 8 at 1080p and 60fps. It has UE4 support.
This is a huge increasement in performance. Consider Switch between Xone and Wii U, perhaps closer to Wii U than Xone, but not far from the middle.
Just with Zelda, we can tell it's a lot more powerful when undocked, you have the same resolution as the wii u, but almost always locked frame rate, where wii u is constantly dropping, this was a game built on the wii u and ported to the Switch in less than a year according to their GDC talk this year.
It's anywhere from 1.5x to 2x faster as a handheld and twice that when docked, this is not getting into mixed precision which could get pretty close to current gen consoles when docked when everything is taken into account.
The real port problem with the switch is that the cpu clock is too low, it's much faster than wii u's cpu, but it's only giving about 50% of what devs on the ps4 have for instance.
For anyone looking for a comparison with Xbox 1, when undocked, it is 20% to 35% of xb1's performance and double that when docked, of course the higher the range, the more mixed precision is being utilized. Switch would have been closer with pascal, but it isn't much closer, something like 25% to 40% when undocked and double that when docked.
It's anywhere from 1.5x to 2x faster as a handheld and twice that when docked, this is not getting into mixed precision which could get pretty close to current gen consoles when docked when everything is taken into account.
The real port problem with the switch is that the cpu clock is too low, it's much faster than wii u's cpu, but it's only giving about 50% of what devs on the ps4 have for instance.
For anyone looking for a comparison with Xbox 1, when undocked, it is 20% to 35% of xb1's performance and double that when docked, of course the higher the range, the more mixed precision is being utilized. Switch would have been closer with pascal, but it isn't much closer, something like 25% to 40% when undocked and double that when docked.
Gotdatmoney
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Engine support is more about feature set than power.
Soapbox Killer
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I thought WiiU could run UE 4 but it wasn't worth the effort on a dead console?
As for the question, Switch could probably run Witcher 3 fairly ok if that's any type of indication.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Really powerful for a handheld, but not nearly enough for all the ports people are asking for
What are you talking about? It supports Unreal Engine 4!
frankie_baby
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Throw in the more modern architecture than xbone and some use of fp16 and it wouldnt be that far off xbone power
That reminds me, was there ever any confirmation on the CPU cores used by the Switch? I remember there being some confusion as to whether it had 4 or 8.
wonderful103
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I mean, it certainly runs MT Framework.
Just like with everything else, it's on the publisher to determine whether it fits their ROI criteria.Trillions, magic, and even then you wouldn't shipped a machine like the Switch in 2017.
Nintendo is literally using the most advanced mobile chipset available at any scale (Parker is not yet available at scale). Apple's A10 chipsets are better in many ways, the X1 better in some others, but in either event you cannot buy A10 chips.
The Switch is an impressive piece of tech for what it is, a mobile tablet optimized to seamlessly move to TV mode.
Gotdatmoney
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It's 8 but 4 of them are disabled. The Switch uses 1 core dedicated to the OS and 3 for games. They have a big little arrangment but the Switch uses the 4 stronger cores
frankie_baby
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It has 4 a57 theres also 4 a53 on the die but its unlikely they are used
sixteen-bit
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Tangible difference.
frankie_baby
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There isnt a core dedicated to the OS
... No.
Lights and Waves
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I wish the system menus were in 4k when docked. Seems like it should be powerful enough to do that much!
frankie_baby
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The dock doesnt support 4k output apparently although the system itself is capable
Let's make it to 1080p first lol.
Here's a link with many gflops, it may not be 100% accurate but it's a start
http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
2 things:
1)the reported gflops in the case of Switch undocked is the minimum, related to 307.2 MHz mode, i don't remember the exact number but now Switch undocked can do a little more than that, long story short gflops-wise undocked is a little better than wiiu
2)docked switch is way more powerful than the wiiu, but that power can only be used to increase resolution and few other improvements to the base undocked game, you can't expect games taking full advantage of docked power because games must run in undocked mode, undocked mode's power is what decides if a game can be done on Switch or not, long story short the max you can expect from docked switch is sligtly better wiiu-level games at 1080p.
http://kyokojap.myweb.hinet.net/gpu_gflops/
2 things:
1)the reported gflops in the case of Switch undocked is the minimum, related to 307.2 MHz mode, i don't remember the exact number but now Switch undocked can do a little more than that, long story short gflops-wise undocked is a little better than wiiu
2)docked switch is way more powerful than the wiiu, but that power can only be used to increase resolution and few other improvements to the base undocked game, you can't expect games taking full advantage of docked power because games must run in undocked mode, undocked mode's power is what decides if a game can be done on Switch or not, long story short the max you can expect from docked switch is sligtly better wiiu-level games at 1080p.
OrangeGrayBlue
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You wouldn't have had to do any research other than reading this thread to know you're incorrect...
InfiniteCombo
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LMAO. Well done...
Gotdatmoney
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?????
So how is the OS running in the background? Is it just partial of a core? It isn't using the A53s
LordKasual
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Not very much.
The Switch is still losing ports of modern games and its greatest technical showcase runs just fine on the WiiU.
the most significant upgrade from WiiU was its portability
The Switch is still losing ports of modern games and its greatest technical showcase runs just fine on the WiiU.
the most significant upgrade from WiiU was its portability
Gamer @ Heart
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Have you not seen both games running side by side? They are not identical in performance AT ALL.
frankie_baby
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A partial, i cant imagine it requires very much, its based on the 3ds OS and that only took 33% of a 3ds core
The other undocked mode is precisely half the docked mode frequency, and therefore precisely half the docked flops rate.
Gotdatmoney
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I have BOTW on WiiU and Switch. The WiiU version post patch is way behind the Switch version.
BOTW is not the Switch's peak either.
I see. I dunno where I read one of the cores was reserved. Oh well good to know.
What? The games that are available on both systems, run comfortably better than the Wiiu versions.Really powerful for a handheld, but not nearly enough for all the ports people are asking for
frankie_baby
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Outdated info from the SDK leaksa
LordKasual
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It's really nothing to write home about.
It's closer to a PS4 vs. PS4 Pro difference than it is a Console Gen 1 vs. Console Gen 2 upgrade.
Which should be expected, but nonetheless
The footage shown of Mario Odyssey is pretty, but it really isn't much to write home about either in terms of visuals, and after seeing games like SM3DW or MK8 on the WiiU, I wouldn't be surprised if that game could have been cross-platform as well.
Gotdatmoney
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Ah makes sense.
Uh that's not what you said. You said BOTW runs fine on the WiiU. It actually runs like shit. It's playable from start to finish but runs fine is a strong strong exageration.
The Switch is a good deal stronger than the WiiU. Is it generational? Not really no. But when you're running last gen games from 720p to 1080p with improved effects it has to be a decent power increase. Check out lego city for another example
mavericktopgun
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Yes.
I would buy another switch.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Yup. It's also worth pointing out that few Switch games have been built from the ground up for the system thus far. Games like Metroid Prime 4 will really show off the peak of the Switch's capabilities. I also wouldn't mind some games running at 720p docked and 540p undocked if it meant that we could see a game pushing more complex geometry, effects, shaders, etc than we'd normally expect, just as a matter of curiosity as to what the switch can do when not prioritizing resolution.
But can it go even further... beyond???
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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I can't believe some still believe the dock adds power to the console lol
Gotdatmoney
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Personally I don't wanna play games lower than 900p in docked mode. No thanks. We had 720p all for the WiiU. I'd like to lwave it that way for first party releases.
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James Scott
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Both versions ran and looked better than Wii U.
Even at launch.
The docked version was unoptimized for less than a month. Outside of a few spots it's fairly smooth
Nights Owl
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Absolutely savage. Lmao
Astral Dog
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Im more worried about the Bandwith, everything else its a lost cause
The RAM upgrade is nice thanks Capcom
The RAM upgrade is nice thanks Capcom
family_guy
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I look at the lowest common denominator, which is handheld mode. It's not like you can make a game for the system that only works if it has the extra power from being docked. I'd say 1.5-2 times the Wii U while undocked, anything more than that while docked will be used for resolution bumps. This is why I have to scratch my head at the people who were expecting the next Beyond Good & Evil to run on the system.
Dreamwriter
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How much more powerful?
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