Not really. Not buying it is another option. I mean, if you simply can't avoid playing the game, I suppose buying used will make you feel better; but if your purpose is to send a message to the fat cats at Activision, I don't think it'll do much for your cause. I guess it's fun to join in the fray, but proclaiming "I won't buy it... new" seems silly to me.Mikey Jr. said:
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Hubris and Bullshit: Modern Warfare 2 PC will not allow dedicated servers.
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NullPointer
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cjelly said:
If its anything like how Halo 3 handled it, anybody that doesn't buy the DLC gets screwed, and it only gets worse as more packs are released. Before ODST came out Halo 3 had only 2 ranked playlists for those without the DLC packs.
brain_stew
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ghst said:
Its actually only 600p on consoles. Yeah, really.
Edit: Argh, stealth edit!
Mikey Jr.
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mr stroke said:
What Activision gets
1. Piracy is lowered
2. Can force DLC because custom maps is not possible and people will be forced to buy if they want any new content at all.
3. Gives them almost complete control over the multiplayer experience. Can't do anything unless it goes through IW.net verification.
If IW.net goes down for maintenance or something, hhaha, fuck you, you aint playing.
fizzelopeguss
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Mikey Jr. said:
Indeed, they'll likely be getting all the profits from DLC through IWnet, i believe MS/sony take a considerable percentage of all the content sold on their online services?
as rydog would saykamspy said:
WHAT THE HELL?
Robert Bowling classy? lulz that guy is a db, and iw has never supported their pc competitive community 100%.
Valve is classy, they make many amazing games (key word GAMES, not a single game) and support all of their communities 100%.
ThaiGrocer
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They're basically playing the game of pissing everyone off for many years while betting that they'll maintain the popularity of their franchise... all in order to ease (in other words, change your mind) in the painful bullshit. Oh noes, it's happening again.Mikey Jr. said:
Anton Sugar
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kamspy said:
I don't see what's subjective about removing features that an entire community relied upon. "Some" people aren't just upset.
Other than mouse & keyboard, dedicated servers are the reason to play pc fps.
- Community
- Mods
- Custom settings
"Keeping servers updated" is bullshit, piracy is bullshit. Valve games don't have those problems, and their dedicated servers work fine. This is about selling DLC.
- Community
- Mods
- Custom settings
"Keeping servers updated" is bullshit, piracy is bullshit. Valve games don't have those problems, and their dedicated servers work fine. This is about selling DLC.
MirageDwarf
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mr stroke said:
You can say t is now literal port of 360 version except hardware support. They don't have to spend any resources on developing network component. Plus, they get full control.
Way it is setup for PC, it seems if it wasn't for easy porting of 360 version to PC with total control as added bonus, IW would have scrapped PC version altogether.
TheChewyWaffles
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J-Rzez said:
merger? Serious question...I've been out of the WoW loop for several months.
fake edit: oh you mean Actiblizzard.
Valru said:
Valve outclass IW by a mile. Doesn't mean IW isn't a classy group. Sure Bowling's double-speak in that interview is horrible. But, it's the guys job. All PR guys use double-speak. Find me a game with a perceived shortcoming that a PR guy won't try to spin. From any dev. Further, "fourzerotwo" interacts with the gaming community as much if not more than any other PR guy I can think of.
I thought IW did a lot for COD and COD2 for the PC community. From my experience the COD4 PC online is fine. Aside from more map packs, what more would you want from their past PC offerings
Again, I'm not defending $60 tag or no servers, just the IW track record.
Mr. Snrub said:
Is it entirely impossible for their new netcode to be robust and well engineered? Sure with P2P the odds are crazy, but for me it's not a game breaker until it actually breaks the game for me. I only have a few networking certs and know nothing about game engineering, but is it possible for an incredibly optimized P2P model deliver an enjoyable online experience and satisfy the community?
Online gaming is gravitating heavily toward P2P, eventually some one is going to make that game that brings P2P out of the doghouse. Why not IW with MW2?
Sure I'm preppy some crow with these posts and I hope I don't have to eat it. But hey, GAF needs the optimism.
Mr.Potato Head
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MW was pretty meh? lol :lol How many copies did that game sell again?Teknopathetic said:
ThaiGrocer
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:lol Exactly what I was thinking.Hazaro said:
Scottlarock
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we seen this on amazon a few times, lol. everyone buys used, thus gamestop prices $64.99 used, $59.99 new! what would you do? give gamespot or IW your moniess??? who do you stick it too!!! what if 57.99 used or 59.99 new, used you know it has some scratches and who knows where the instruction manuel has been? (potty room), do you still stick it to them?MMaRsu said:
I personally couldn't care about any hurting anyone, if the game is 10-15 bucks cheaper I'll buy used, if its 5 bucks maybe, depends on the condition.
NullPointer
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IF IW/Activision was smart, and wanted to make their DLC money without pissing off their customers they would:
* Give dedicated servers and browser lists as advanced options for the PC version.
* Give out multiplayer map packs for FREE, to keep the game fresh.*
* Charge ONLY for extra co-op scenarios or additional campaign content.
No split community, the game stays fresh with periodic updates, devs still get paid via optional DLC charges.
* They could even go the route that Gears 2 took with their Gears 2 maps. ONLY downloadable via retail game code. You don't HAVE to fuck over your customers to make a buck.
* Give dedicated servers and browser lists as advanced options for the PC version.
* Give out multiplayer map packs for FREE, to keep the game fresh.*
* Charge ONLY for extra co-op scenarios or additional campaign content.
No split community, the game stays fresh with periodic updates, devs still get paid via optional DLC charges.
* They could even go the route that Gears 2 took with their Gears 2 maps. ONLY downloadable via retail game code. You don't HAVE to fuck over your customers to make a buck.
Anton Sugar
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kamspy said:
No one is saying that IW won't/hasn't put out a quality product.
Is there really ANY reason why dedicated servers should be removed? Did they not work well in COD4? Or in any other games? Are dedicated servers "broken"?
No!
It makes absolutely no sense until you consider their other motives. They say it will "help" the community, but it takes away creativity and control.
Anton Sugar
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Hazaro said:
Speaking of, I hope the mass PC COD exodus knows where to go now: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376882
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
You can never sell enough copies to make a mediocre game good.Mr.Potato Head said:
MrPing1000
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I'll be keeping my money then. Bye bye Infinity Ward.
1)online gaming moving towards p2p? maybe on the consoles but even then you have games like BF1943, Warhawk, Left4dead and pretty much every rainbow 6 game having dedicated servers. Show me good examples of online gaming moving towards p2p on the pc?kamspy said:
2)this is not about improving our online gaming, this is bout squeezing every last penny out of the community.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
kamspy said:
What are you talking about? This product they are putting out is shit, it doesn't matter for one second what they're "track record" is. Online gaming is not gravitating to P2P. Why are you trying to defend shitty practices so much?
PedroLumpy
Member
I never thought it would go this far.
Fuck matchmaking. When did less choice become the ideal.
Fuck matchmaking. When did less choice become the ideal.
NullPointer
Member
Hazaro said:
Bungie's reasoning iirc was that including support for finding matches outside of their matchmaking system would reduce the player count in their official playlists, thus reducing the size of the pool they could use to find a good match of skill and connectivity.
So its basically an all or nothing system. And the quality of your multiplayer experience is determined by how aligned your style of play is to whoever manages the playlists, and how much money you've shelled out on DLC.
ghst said:
lol. IW can't rape the willing. But, if MW2 pans out the way the doomsday crowd is saying I may get some post traumatic shit from it.
Valru said:
I guess I could list every console game you didn't, but that would be a big annoying post.
Does everyone in this thread really think P2P won't take over 90% of online gaming within 6-8 years? Aside from MMOs.
I'm not advocating it. Maybe I do just pre-lube myself so I'm not sad when it happens. :/
It will be interesting to see who actually follows through with their threats to not buy the game.As we all know us gamers are all posture and no follow through.
Guess we'll see in the lead up the game though, i expect to see loads of the names in this thread in the official thread on launch day...
Guess we'll see in the lead up the game though, i expect to see loads of the names in this thread in the official thread on launch day...
I disagree about pc gaming moving towards P2P, and i dont think you understand...kamspy said:
Console gaming since it has become big (Xbox/PS2 days) has almost always been P2P, more and more I see big console titles moving towards dedicated servers BF1943, MAG, Warhawk, Left4Dead, Rainbow6, etc..
regardless fuck IW and fuck MW2
Oh ffs, first don't add the ability to select games by region in the console versions (something the community had been asking for). Now take out dedicated servers from the PC version, I am going to find it very hard to buy this game now, a big fuck you to Activision as well.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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kamspy said:
What? :lol What the fuck are you even talking about? Definitely a troll now.
jaundicejuice
Member
I was simply going to pass on buying Modern Warfare 2 because with the first Modern Warfare and World at War it became apparent to me that Activision has no desire to foster any sort of multi-player community with long term support, they want to farm a game out every year. Infinity War, Treyarch, Infinity Ward, Treyarch and only *sell* enough multi-player content to string people along to the next game. It's not in their interest to foster a fanbase around one game, not when they've got a new one to sell every year. But to strip away a feature that's been a standard on the platform in every game in the genre for well over a decade goes beyond the pale.
I'm not buying the game, new or used, I'm just straight up not playing it. Fuck Activision, Infinity War and Call of Duty.
I'm not buying the game, new or used, I'm just straight up not playing it. Fuck Activision, Infinity War and Call of Duty.
Anton Sugar
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Vercingetorix
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MedHead said:
Technically, buying it used gives no more profit to the publisher than not buying it all does. So they could claim its a "boycott."
But I do agree that the spirit of a boycott is to avoid the projects altogether. If you can't avoid buying and playing Activision Blizzard games, you aren't really boycotting them.
Personally I don't claim to boycott them, I'll buy the Activision Blizzard games that I want, and I'll buy them new because I always buy new and I want to support the developers. But I agree that people shouldn't claim to boycott when they're still playing the products.