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I like how OP just brushes aside every mention of the "bad with directions but too proud to ask" trope being a primarily male thing because he hasn't seen the numerous things with it.
If she ever needed help then she's invalidated, despite Link needing help from various female characters in most of his games
I think the mere fact that they set up the character in such a disappointingly non-forward-looking way is a really bad gesture given the climate surrounding gender representation in video games (especially) and film.
I'm not complaining about the choice of trope itself making the depiction of the character sexist. She doesn't need to be absent of stereotypical tropes or flaws to be a good character. Hell, I even think she's a good character anyway.
I'm complaining about the specific choice of trope - the whole "unable to find her way using a map" thing - sending a really weird message given that in 8 months Nintendo's about to release a game where the player will need to navigate using a map, but their aspiring legendary heroine - the first time they've represented a version of Link as a female player-character - is apparently incapable of reading one.
Like I said, I'm pretty fond of the character and I even like the whole "she keeps showing up late to the fight" thing as it gives her room to act on top of the existing story without being overly gratuitous. I like that she isn't obviously caught up in the major hero prophecies and is just going off to fight because she wants to be the hero, spurred on by her grandmother's stories. I think that's all fine (great, even!) and makes her endearing in a way that Link isn't. I think going the wrong direction constantly is a fun little quirk, too, that I personally enjoy.
I just don't like that the last piece of big Zelda media we're likely to get before their big open world Zelda game with a huge detailed map leaves us with our first female analog to Link... and she can't read a map. Again, it's an unusual signal to be sending alongside such a character, in the context of that particular upcoming game.
That's just another way of saying "parody".
If she ever needed help then she's invalidated, despite Link needing help from various female characters in most of his games
Of course it is.
However, it probably isn't part of some conspiracy to make people think that being a woman makes you unfit to fulfil the role of Link for any reason aside from not being the chosen one.
Well you thought wrong!And here I thought she was adorable and very likeable.
I don't think it's a conspiracy at all, I just think the creators are making exceptionally poor use of the promising character template they started with.
She doesn't need to be a carbon copy of Link, to be sure, but to make her a straight-up inferior version of him is a real head-scratcher given that her backstory actually gave them an opportunity to supplant that expectation.
She started as Link's sister. She was never Link.
The visual design strongly suggests that they imagined her as a kind of "female Link." Link's had a sister before, and she didn't wear a green tunic.
I don't think it's a conspiracy at all, I just think the creators are making exceptionally poor use of the promising character template they started with.
She doesn't need to be a carbon copy of Link, to be sure, but to make her a straight-up inferior version of him is a real head-scratcher given that her backstory actually gave them an opportunity to supplant that expectation.
Link's had a sister before, and she didn't wear a green tunic.
Art book with developer notes says otherwise.
Has no sense of direction != "straight up inferior". It's a relatively common character trope.
The visual design strongly suggests that they imagined her as a kind of "female Link." Link's had a sister before, and she didn't wear a green tunic.
Art book with developer notes says otherwise.
The visual design strongly suggests that they imagined her as a kind of "female Link." Link's had a sister before, and she didn't wear a green tunic.
Being imagined as "Link's sister" and a "female version of Link" are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The visual design strongly suggests that they imagined her as a kind of "female Link." Link's had a sister before, and she didn't wear a green tunic.
Being imagined as "Link's sister" and a "female version of Link" are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
You don't have to point to her sense of direction to get the sense that the story doesn't want us to think she's just as worthy a hero as Link.
I'm just saying it's a valid reading, not that it's the intended one. Hence the italics.No no, you dont get it, aparently she is
somehow
I guess I'm just salty that Linkle basically confirms we're never going to get female Link. Because I'm pretty confident that first came the design and then the parody.You're trying way too hard
Or pretty much this.I don't think it's a conspiracy at all, I just think the creators are making exceptionally poor use of the promising character template they started with.
She doesn't need to be a carbon copy of Link, to be sure, but to make her a straight-up inferior version of him is a real head-scratcher given that her backstory actually gave them an opportunity to supplant that expectation.
You don't have to point to her sense of direction to get the sense that the story doesn't want us to think she's just as worthy a hero as Link.
I guess I'm just salty that Linkle basically confirms we're never going to get female Link.
You clearly haven't played enough Super Robot Wars. The very first, and still most commonly appearing original character in the Super Robot Wars series is named Masaki Andou, the pilot of a mech called the Cybuster, first appearing in an SNES game and will be appearing in a PS4 game, And this guy gets lost[/]. It is his most defining character trait. You could give him a map, a direct compass bearing, and a GPS system, and he would still end up orbiting the planet six times before accidentally stumbling into a friend who would have to show him the way. Hell, his robot is equiped with a magitek supercomputer that can predict the future, and he still can't find North America on a map.It's not just that, look at the sequence, no one would depict a male not knowing where to go like this. Well, normally I wouldn't expect it for a female either, but well, here it is.
I thought the same thing. Her inability to follow basic signs is pretty laughable, and kind of offensive to females.
I thought the same thing. Her inability to follow basic signs is pretty laughable, and kind of offensive to females.
I guess I'm just salty that Linkle basically confirms we're never going to get female Link. Because I'm pretty confident that first came the design and then the parody.
This time it was Koei Tecmo's vision of Link's sister.
Just like their vision of Ganondorf uses two huge swords and has super long hair.
There's a lot more chances that it was exclusive than inclusive, but sure.
That's literally her entire point of her story. She isn't Link, she is supposed to be a self-proclaimed hero who thinks she is Link despite her incompetence in navigating. We know she isn't the hero from the second they show her, because we already met the hero, Link.
The story is pretty clear that she isn't the hero. This doesn't really impact her ability to be a hero.
I thought the same thing. Her inability to follow basic signs is pretty laughable, and kind of offensive to females.
I thought the same thing. Her inability to follow basic signs is pretty laughable, and kind of offensive to females.
She could still be the hero with a heroic destiny, she just obviously won't be fulfilling the destiny that already had fallen on Link.
There's room to let her be an actual kind of female Link prototype without saying "lol, no, the hero has to be the dude Link, girl Link is just a novelty side character" which is basically the only thing I'm getting out of her story.
Best example is Warriors orochi, thats the game where the trope defines the character.
She isn't unable to follow basic signs.
She never sees the sign, because she's confident in her navigation abilities. Her whole character is based on overconfidence.
It's not just that, look at the sequence, no one would depict a male not knowing where to go like this. Well, normally I wouldn't expect it for a female either, but well, here it is.
What I meant to say is that Linkle seems (for now) to be all the female Link Nintendo wants to go for, that is, by similar name and by visual design (green hood).You're putting way too much faith on KT by thinking they wouldn't have given her this archetype from the start even if she was female Link.
Anyway, if we don't get female Link, it won't be because of how Linkle was portrayed.
Here's to hoping.She isn't a Nintendo character. Chances are she will never leave the Warriors series.
I get why people are mad that Linkle isn't female Link, but at the same time come on now, are you saying she's not allowed to be anything else but female Link? I like it when people have fun with character interpretations, and it's not like a side character in an enhanced port of a musou spinoff is going to completely ruin any possibility of having a female Link in the future.
People need to stop getting so riled up because a character isn't what they want them to be.
What I meant to say is that Linkle seems (for now) to be all the female Link Nintendo wants to go for, that is, by similar name and by visual design (green hood).
That's one of the biggest tropes of 80's 90's sitcoms. There are probably a million TV shows where there is an basically episode dedicated to a stubborn dude won't ask for instructions, while his wife/gf/female friend is trying to stop to get instructions. I know for a fact it happened in fresh prince and family matters.It's not just that, look at the sequence, no one would depict a male not knowing where to go like this. Well, normally I wouldn't expect it for a female either, but well, here it is.
She isn't a Nintendo character. Chances are she will never leave the Warriors series.
Depends. Nintendo owns the character and could use her in other things if she's well liked enough. Toadette's first appearance was in Mario Kart Double Dash and has made an appearance in Thousand Year Door. She came from a side game but has had major appearances.
She and Toad are also now protagonists in Treasure Tracker. (I really want a sequel to Treasure Tracker)
Depends. Nintendo owns the character and could use her in other things if she's well liked enough. Toadette's first appearance was in Mario Kart Double Dash and has made an appearance in Thousand Year Door. She came from a side game but has had major appearances.
She and Toad are also now protagonists in Treasure Tracker. (I really want a sequel to Treasure Tracker)