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ClovingWestbrook
Banned
EXACTLY!! Thank you for proving my point. There are ways around You losing access to your games. The exact same 'way' youre referring to.
MoonLightWave
Member
It's possible, but it's a bannable offence.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Oh boy.
As for this, I accepted the Eula and am currently living my life. Are some that bent or is it some bigger stink that some are going for? My Steam experience hasn't changed one bit. I accepted the terms and moved on.
If this is a big deal to you then don't accept the TOS and lose access to your games. It's not my stuff so you can do whatever you want.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i think i can get away with it because i dont use Steam and have the physical copy. If you are DD and have no way to validate with Steam to recover backup you are still screwed.
H_Prestige
Banned
It's the idea that I have to accept their terms in order to play the shit I already bought. Valve has just made that very clear. What a POS company. I sure as hell will never do business with these scumbags.
That's what I thought.
Someone had asked that in the BST thread, and they thought it was okay.
It's pretty unacceptable to basically cut somebody who spent money on your platform off from their goods, often hundreds of dollars, just because of a update requirement. This ought to not happen.
Although, what would be a realistic reason not to update, besides "just not wanting to"?
Although, what would be a realistic reason not to update, besides "just not wanting to"?
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Did you disc based games work during the security hack, did your downloadable games work? Yes they did. Oh, I agree that MS and Sony might if consumers don't rise up and make a stink now about being locked out of content we paid for if we don't bend to any stupid rule they agree to put into their TOS.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Have a receipt? Go download the game from the internet. And unless you have a receipt for every game you have bought on file ( i keep all of my steam purchase receipts ) there is no way you can prove that you didnt steal the retail copy.
The_Hitcher89
Member
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Lol. Yes you will. Dont even start. Good luck avoiding all of te Steamworks games coming out.
What's wrong with what he said? If you don't like it, click "I disagree".
we.are.the.armada
Member
I wonder who will walk their talk, let Valve delete their account, and never look back.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Lol oh shit.
The true test of mettle.
But Amazon has the same clause. As do many phone companies, internet providers and so on and so on. But yeah boycott Steam only.
edit: Beaten.
H_Prestige
Banned
No, I won't.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Nobody cares about the arbitration clause. It's Steam refusing to let you access or use the shit you bought in the event that you do disagree.
Then don't disagree on something so petty. Problem solved.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Until they change the TOS to something you care about......
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
There is a key difference. i bought my games ahead of time with the intention of not using Steam. i knew ahead of time that buying and cracking Dawn of War 2 would not enable me to play multi-player. For many people this would be unacceptable. Mulitplayer only games would not have such a workaround.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
You're kinda missing the point.
The_Hitcher89
Member
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Lol. Just like all of those people in the L4D2 ad MW2 boycott group never buying said game... Oh wait.
bigace33
Member
You lose a ton of functionality with the games that way though. (Online, dlc, etc) You should not have to resort to such drastic measures. This should not even be an argument from your own position as a consumer. Valve wants to enforce a crappy tos like this, fine, it's their right. The problem is, give me the .exe to every last game I paid for from your service. We can both part ways happy. Ny them saying, you can kick rocks, "and oh by the way, we're keeping all of your games too" is pure hogwash. It's indefensible.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Still not understanding your point...
bigace33
Member
I have Amazon games on my actual desk top though. I can play them anytime I feel without going through amazon.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Costumer rights, so petty.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
You lose functionality of games if you crack them. Want to crack your boxed copy of Team Fortress 2 (yes i know its F2P now.. choose any Steamworks shooter in its place)? Good luck playing online. For me this isnt a concern because i tend to play single-player games. For most, cracking is an unacceptable solution.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
considering i dont buy anything off steam that isnt heavily discounted im ok with this lol.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
It really is an unacceptable solution, especially since one's buying the game. Or a license to play the game or whatever.
What is the benefit to the consumer for walling off the ability to launch a purchased game behind server-side authentication? I'd like to hear some reasons, any reason.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Well cracking doesn't bother me for the most part either since I usually don't play multiplayer games. If I ever lost access to all of my Steam games for whatever reason, I wouldn't think twice about redownloading all of them since single player is where my enjoyment comes from. I mean, I greatly enjoy BF3 MP but I also enjoyed the SP too. If I never play a MP game again, I won't be too concerned.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
I don't know why people let companies do such a thing. The response is always "well, every other company has done it". They're seeing that you don't give a damn, in the future they will do worse stuff to us consumers. All while you throw a joke here and there to sidestep the real issue.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Well then.. you are prepared to become a CINO (criminal in name only) to play what you have bought. Congratulations.
edit: added smiley
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'm pretty bored this morning, so I sent an email to Steam without really doing any research first, just to see what they say. Cuz rabble rousing is fun:
Hopefully I get an equally unresearched reply.
Hopefully I get an equally unresearched reply.
Teletraan1
Banned
Should we start to demand that all future PC releases are not Steamworks titles? They changed the rules of the game so I dont feel comfortable HAVING to use this service. I was already pretty down on all these DD services anyway but this kind of garbage just pushes me away even further.
When I buy a retail game I want to be able to install it using the installer provided and choose which directory to put it in and it puts an icon on my desktop. I then click that Icon and the game launches. Just like I have done for 20+ years. Why did we have to take a step back and have an application that does all that for you? So they could enforce ridiculous anti consumer restrictions and rules. No thanks.
When I buy a retail game I want to be able to install it using the installer provided and choose which directory to put it in and it puts an icon on my desktop. I then click that Icon and the game launches. Just like I have done for 20+ years. Why did we have to take a step back and have an application that does all that for you? So they could enforce ridiculous anti consumer restrictions and rules. No thanks.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Yep. I definitely am. Though I am not too concerned that I will have to go that route anyhow, especially after Valve changed their policy to do away with locking accounts for non counterfeit type matters.
Go for it. Good luck though. There is a reason almost every publisher has gone Steamworks. Also, many of us love the fact that a game is Steamworks so while there are a population of those like yourself who don't, you're going up against publishers who love it and customers like myself (cultofgabe™
who love it too.
bigace33
Member
This is the thing that get's me. Consumers are in here actually defending having their rights and possessions taken from them. Let me reiterate, Valve is an awesome company, and I can see myself using steam for as long as I continue to game, but this particular instance is not right. Further more, just because it does not affect you or me personally does not mean it does not matter in the grand scheme of things. If practices like this go uncontested, who knows what else may be implemented in the future. You may only have access to your games for a certain amount of hours before you have to add more money, etc. This is how things like this start.
notworksafe
Member
Binding a retail release to ANY online service is a bad call, imo.
Isn't that reason enough? You gave money to them under one agreement and then they decide to change the deal. This time its something shitty that a lot of people can live with. What do you do when it's something you absolutely refuse to agree to? To many it's the realization that they've got you by the balls and they've got all the power and you've got to do what they want lest you get cutoff from something you spent money on and feel entitled to use. Basically what many anti dd people were saying from the beginning.
Do you want the right to sue that you'll likely never use, or do you want to play your games?
That's what this boils down to. Nothing changed from the times you people pretended to love steam. You never "owned" your games. So make your choice but please stop making threads about it every other day to complain about how terrible Steam is despite everyone else doing this too.
faceless007
Member
FWIW, there's a way to avoid getting the new SSA, and that's not restarting Steam and staying with the old version. Obviously that will only work for so long, so I'm trying to see if there's a way to stop Steam from self-updating altogether.
Loghorn150
Banned
Still think that Digital Distribution should be the future of gaming now?
This. Whoever said that people owned digital copies of games are blind as bats.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
What term does Valve use when you give them money for a game? Rent? Lease?
Subscription.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Why, that would be purchase.
Except where they say "subscription." But they definitely call it a purchase on the store.