People say SB64's controls are bad?
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In defence of Kid Icarus's Controls. Sakurai: "You doing it wrong."
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People say SB64's controls are bad?
People always chant for 'change' while they bitch if it takes them even an inch out of their comfort zone. Dismissing touch gaming, calling motion controls 'waggle' and not giving it a second thought... short-sightedness among the 'core' gamers is pretty amazing stuff.
I'm completely on board with this. If we ever see a sequel on the 3DS or Wii U, I hope they don't water it down with dual-analog controls, it plays exactly as it should.
I'm not going to be rude to people who do find the control scheme frustrating/painful, because it really is down to personal preference, but I just wish those vocally apposing the system would actually say that rather than just mindlessly trashing the system.
Saying you don't like the control scheme because you personally find it uncomfortable is fine. Bitching and whining about it, like so many reviews did (and the whole thing with Yahtzee the other day) just sounds ridiculous to me.
I'm absolutely fine with the controls. The stylus control feels fantastic to me, and I've also never used the stand. I understand that people aren't so keen and I understand why, but hey, it's one of those things.
Saying you don't like the control scheme because you personally find it uncomfortable is fine. Bitching and whining about it, like so many reviews did (and the whole thing with Yahtzee the other day) just sounds ridiculous to me.
I'm absolutely fine with the controls. The stylus control feels fantastic to me, and I've also never used the stand. I understand that people aren't so keen and I understand why, but hey, it's one of those things.
I can at least tell about myself. It killed any fun I had with this game.
Version 3.0
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Sorry, you included a stand with your game, therefore it obviously should never have been on a portable system in the first place. This would've made a great Wii game. The controls are bad because there's only one action button, not because of the touch screen.
Nah. I think the square edges on the 3DS and the weight are the reasons for the discomfort.
But ever since I stopped gripping the system too hard, I don't have any issues on that end anymore.
Alex
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There are crazy fuckers out there that will champion *anything*, I don't really care what a hard core fanbase for a still relatively niche game says is OK.
The controls are uncomfortable and clunky and it's not because of some hidden genius, the game design isn't that deep or nuanced, it's because the form factor of the hardware can't support it properly. You can struggle through it, but it's never an ideal
It's worth it for the content of the game, because it's a good game, but it'd be better on the Wii, easily.
I do agree however that dual analog would be worse, under the current design of the game. But in my opinion for the hardware it's on the design should either be different or it shouldn't be on it (the 3DS).
Yeah, that's an apt comparison. Totally traditional PC RTS controls vs fucked up leg balancing rail shooter played with a pen that's not like anything else on the platform and has gotten widespread complaints.
Vane_MagicCity
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If you understand why people aren't so keen, why do you say their opinions sound ridiculous?
EmCeeGramr
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I struggle to imagine play-testers, as a large collective, giving overwhelmingly positive feedback regarding the controls.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious.
I mean, hey, the stand implies they got some bad feedback at some point, and did what they could to bandaid it, but it certainly implies that -- if nothing else -- they started listening to the feedback (whether it came early or late) at a point where they were in too deep to fundamentally change anything.
On the ground? It's a lot like Metroid Prime Hunters and most FPS games on DS.
UncleSporky
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"Technically impossible" sounds fishy since MGS has dual analog controls, but I don't make games so meh.
Hale-XF11
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Does not compute.This can't be stated enough. It really makes a difference when you catch yourself tensing up and/or simply gripping the system and stylus too hard.
It helps to let your breath out, relax your limbs and then get back to playing again.
That being said, I play almost exclusively with the CPP for the extra added comfort, though I realize not everyone wants to make that investment. It's worth it though if you really love the game and want to play it a lot.
So an optional accessory equals your game should have been on a console now? Cool.
Read the post again.
I never said their opinion was ridiculous. I said the way those opinions are made is ridiculous, vs the way those who do find the controls to be fine generally acknowledge it's a very love it or hate it relationship.
EmCeeGramr
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To Far Away Times
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The controls definately have an adjustment period, but I really can't picture the game any other way. Dual analog would be too slow and imprecise for this game.
I completely respect your opinion and this is why I'm trying to advocate an alternative. But I simply cannot agree, as I have my own personal experience of finding the controls more than adequate. I would be lying if I said I was a natural from the very beginning, but I frankly don't see my skill improving with any other set-up.
Sakurai is being prideful, there's no question, and I hate that that's happening, because the game deserves to be loved by more people. But please, don't accuse those of us who like the controls of somehow being duped or of being nothing but crazies who will defend Nintendo to the death. It's just not true.
UncleSporky
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RurouniZel
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!! This is what I want!
Ain't happening for me, I gave it long enough, they're not clicking for me, hence why I stopped playing.
It's a shame because the rest of the game is damn good.
UncleSporky
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Kid Icarus controls are great after an hour or two, whereas iOS controls are bad forever.
In addition to what I addressed a few posts up, the controls here are too different from any games you've ever played or not played in your life.
That's essentially what's wrong with them. They are too different from the norm. People don't want to adjust to something different.
Combination of people's unfamiliarity with stylus controls and people who are doin' it wrong.
The number of people complaining the bad controls are way higher than normal so it means that isn't really a good work on that side, this is confirmed by the fact that the game is bundled with a stand (if the controls were comfortable enough there were no need of it).
The game it's still the more interesting stuff Nintendo pulled out in years it just controls horribly.
The same control scheme by the way would've worked greatly with the wiimote+nunchuck.
The game it's still the more interesting stuff Nintendo pulled out in years it just controls horribly.
The same control scheme by the way would've worked greatly with the wiimote+nunchuck.
The only serious problem with the controls is the touchy dash mechanic. That, and people who don't understand that this game would be unplayable with dual analog.
Vane_MagicCity
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LOL, vocally oppose vs mindlessly trashing. Got it!
That's where I've had problems, specifically at my pinky because my right hand and left index finger supports none of the system's weight. I never considered that complaints of cramping where about the stylus.
Kacho
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This. I had no issues either. The cmoplaints remind me of similar ones about Resident Evil tank controls. Some people are incapable of adapting.
The stylus controls are closer to aiming with the Wii pointer than they are a dual stick setup. It takes some adjusting to, but once you get it down you realize you couldn't possibly play the game any other way. It's simply too fast paced.
Vane_MagicCity
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Well, they wouldn't be if they were designed with dual analog in mind.
Using the stylus to aim means that it's more difficult to hold the 3DS. There's a stand, but some people don't want to use it. You could play without a stylus and just using your thumb, but not everybody is able to do that well. Some people want an alternate solution: to use the CCP as dual analog so that they can use the second stick for aiming and camera control instead of using the touchscreen.
Huh?.
I don't even understand this or Sakurai's comment about Smash. There's nothing obtuse about Smash's control... it frankly makes more sense than any 2D fighter.
Sure, and you could play SC2 with a pad if you dumbed it down enough as well.
chickdigger802
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I don't get why people blame controls. I found the ground levels for the most part, to be pretty terrible, even if the game had awesome controls.
Kacho
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You don't need it.
"Needs"?
SolarKnight
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Except it doesn't. There's a difference between an "option" and a "necessity".
Plenty of people haven't even used the stand.
Again, no. Go and read the post again.
There is a clear and obvious difference between saying "Yes, Kid Icarus' controls work for me, but I understand why they don't for others", and comments like these.
I think Sakurai was talking about how Smash was an extremely different fighting game from the Street-Fighter-influenced games that dominated in the 90's.