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In the US, PS5 is now trending 5% above PS4 and 87% ahead of PS3, while Xbox Series trails Xbox One by 10% yet leads Xbox 360 by 6%
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DenchDeckard
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PS5 is killing it.
Xbox could turn it around but they need a stonking couple of years from now.
Xbox could turn it around but they need a stonking couple of years from now.
jm89
Member
Subscription services spending has also plateued.
Will be interesting to see how much starfield boosts gamepass subs and more importantly is it maintained long term.
Too many competing subscription services and people will probably prefer to keep their tv/movie subscription rather then their game subscription.
Will be interesting to see how much starfield boosts gamepass subs and more importantly is it maintained long term.
Too many competing subscription services and people will probably prefer to keep their tv/movie subscription rather then their game subscription.
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TheGodfather07
Member
The 360 didn't really take off until the end of its 3rd year though. It actually started very slow. Xbox series will fall behind over the next year.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
Subscription services spending has also plateued.
Will be interesting to see how much starfield boosts gamepass subs and more importantly is it maintained long term.
Too many competing subscription services and people will probably prefer to keep their tv/movie subscription rather then their game subscription.
gokurho
Member
This is not important at all.
You know, Xbox does not revolve around console sales…
Just look at "engagement"
As you all know, Xbox's "engagement" continues to reach record highs every year
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MrTired
Member
Context matters, the 360 tap into motion controls which open it up to new but fickle market.
What do you believe is going to give the Series console I new lease of life?
Because the gap it has on the 360 is closing and the gap the One has on Series is growing.
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Don't forget Kinect hadn't launched yet.
Sanepar
Member
Xbox360 were not selling like bananas first 3 years.
Mibu no ookami
Member
No, there is no turning things "around" at this point. They can mitigate bleeding but they aren't "turning things around" unless Sony decides to somehow completely flop the rest of the gen.
MasterCornholio
Member
I don't think it will fix their situation but we have to wait and see what Starfield does.
Mibu no ookami
Member
I think a lot of people don't realize that the 360 came out a full year before the PS3. It was released in 2005.
Halo 3 didn't release until 2007. Though Gears of War a much smaller success came out in 2006.
Uncharted 2 which kind of marked the PS3 getting things back on track didn't release until 2009 and then God of War 3 in 2010. It did have Metal Gear Solid 4 in 2008 though (still 3 years after the 360 launch).
360 had a year head start and was significantly cheaper than the PS3. That head start and price allowed it to gain significant userbase in the US, especially Sony's difficulty in getting major software on the PS3.
yazenov
Member
Starfield won't move a lot of consoles since it's a PC-centric game where most of its sales will be on that platform.
Starfield may temporarily boost the Gamepass subscription numbers, but with nothing to sustain that growth, it will return to normal very soon.
Yikes at the 10% below Xbox One numbers, despite the cheaper S model priced at $299 at launch, Gamepass, and all the studio and pub purchases.
Starfield may temporarily boost the Gamepass subscription numbers, but with nothing to sustain that growth, it will return to normal very soon.
Yikes at the 10% below Xbox One numbers, despite the cheaper S model priced at $299 at launch, Gamepass, and all the studio and pub purchases.
Unknown?
Member
Was AoE4 any good? I got the definitive edition of 2 because 4 was way more expensive and didn't look much different.
kaizenkko
Member
At this point, I don't know if there's something Microsoft could do to boost Xbox sales. Buy more publishers? They already buyed two of the biggest ones...
Maybe the PS5 have hit a point where is impossible to surprass?
I don't know... As a PS5 owner I don't like this scenario where Sony dominates without a good competitor.
Maybe the PS5 have hit a point where is impossible to surprass?
I don't know... As a PS5 owner I don't like this scenario where Sony dominates without a good competitor.
JackMcGunns
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
Xbox in 360 era, over 33% RROD failure rate that sewed actual sales numbers.
Xbox in XS era, we are better than 360 by 6% but worse than XB1 by 10%... didnt the XB1 go on to sell only like 50M units in 7 years?
Context, yh I know it can be a bitch sometimes.
Want me to list out the new IPs Sony has brought to market since then?
Bias, yh I know it can be a bitch sometimes.
One things for sure....all eyes will be on Starfield.
This game has a metric ton of pressure on it to deliver anything positive for MS.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Unless they turn it around.
What has turning it around got to do with Sony? My interoperation of turning it around is see growth for their console division. As long as by the end of the generation they've sold more that Xbox one, they have turned it around.
They have absolutely lost this generation, if you care about wars and one beating the other. There is no reality where microsoft can compete with Sony on console sales this generation. But they an absolutely turn around this shit year and return to being positive over Xbox one, and hopefully outsell 360 too. That would be a massive win for MS but I think its impossible to outsell 360 in the US.
Zuzu
Member
Yeah, I have no idea. It might cause a bit of an increase in sales for a month or two and then sales will drop again. It's probably not going to create any long-lasting momentum.
Zuzu
Member
It's a bad result. And the Series X is so much better than the One was yet it's not attracting people.
Well they tried that last gen.
So here we are again.....same story, different gen. It really is sounding like broken record.
Guess they try this yet again.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Tried what last gen? The xbox one was a mess from the start. The series X is actually a great console with no kinect bullshit and TV, TV, TV. We've had covid mess up a lot of stuff. I mean we haven't heard anything about new games from quite a lot of studios for a while. Microsoft COULD start hitting their stride now and turn it around, or they wont and they will be worse of than xbox one. Which would be catastrophic for them.
kaizenkko
Member
Seems like people don't think in Starfield as "a Xbox first-party game". It's the impression that I have, maybe by the game be also on PC and be a PC centric title.
systemr123
Member
So far until now it still has less games even than the One, so it’s no wonder it’s not attracting people at the moment. Can turn around, but it’ll take years of quality output to change the tides
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe consumers are just seeing other consoles as being more attractive to them. For whatever reasons of course.
Mibu no ookami
Member
There is this pipe dream that all these units are going to sell due to starfield is going to leave a lot of people disappointed. The most sales of this game are going to be on PC where it isn't locked to 30 fps and has easier access to the modding community.
It isn't going to sell more than the X1... And it won't be close. 2024 is going to be a very difficult year for Xbox, more so than 2023.
It isn't going to sell more than the X1... And it won't be close. 2024 is going to be a very difficult year for Xbox, more so than 2023.
Tsaki
Member
Remember a few months ago the theories that MS was stashing hundreds of thousands of Xbox consoles for the Starfield release? The moment of truth is upon us.
Unknown?
Member
Not worldwide. In 2007, PS3 sold more.
Sanepar
Member
Ps3 wasn't even available first year fo xbox360. We are talking about xbox360 sales. Not ps3. Ps3 first years was horrendous. Firs party quality, slim and price drop changed the scenario. Xbox360 kinect made a strong push.
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe games isn't the only issue that Microsoft has. We will see if that's the only thing thats preventing them from being on par with the competition where sales are concerned.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
All things considered Xbox One sold very well in the US. I think some analysts put them around 47% vs 53% for the PS4 by the time 8th console gen ended.
Woopah
Member
Xbox One was absolutely not a catastrophe in the US. It sold very well and was competitive with the PS4 for a long time.10% below the catastrophe that was XBOX One?
Duchess
Member
I knew MS were tracking down in UK and Europe, but now they're down against the Xbox One in the US, too? It's clear MS have lost this generation, and it'll take nothing short of a miracle to turn things around.
(also, we must yet again consider that this is with the Series S existing, being a cheaper console than the PS5 and XSX)
(also, we must yet again consider that this is with the Series S existing, being a cheaper console than the PS5 and XSX)
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
I get that, but what does that split look like now? Especially with the XS tracking 10% behind the XB1? So we end this gen with what? A 60% to 40% split in favor of PS5 for the HD twins? In the Xbox's strongest territory no less. And then globally its tracking even worse than the XB1 too. At the rate it's going, it likely wouldn't even hit that 50M+ sales the XB1 managed. And mind you, the part everyone seems to forget/ignore... the XB1 had a launch price of $499. That was the cheapest you could get an XB1 for the first 6-8 months in its launch year before they unbundled kinect. The XS consoles had a launch price of $299.
$299!!!
And in truth, the only thing that matters is how it's doing compared to its last outing and whatever it's currently competing with.
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US LTD
July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)
July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)
July 2009
360 15.68 m (YTD 1.82 m)
PS3 8.03 m (YTD 1.24 m)
YTD 2023 (US+UK+JAP+SPA)
PS5 5.41 m
X/S 1.86 m
YTD 2023 Germany
PS5 10
X/S 1
YTD 2023 Italy
PS5 +283% yoy
X|S -23% yoy
July 2023
PS5 14.86 m (YTD 2.94 m)
X/S 11.16 m (YTD 1.48 m)
July 2016
PS4 14.15 m (YTD 1.74 m)
XBO 12.40 m (YTD 1.28 m)
July 2009
360 15.68 m (YTD 1.82 m)
PS3 8.03 m (YTD 1.24 m)
YTD 2023 (US+UK+JAP+SPA)
PS5 5.41 m
X/S 1.86 m
YTD 2023 Germany
PS5 10
X/S 1
YTD 2023 Italy
PS5 +283% yoy
X|S -23% yoy
MisterXDTV
Member
10% down with 2 consoles combined vs 1
"Phil is a genius, it's all Don Mattrick's fault"
"Phil is a genius, it's all Don Mattrick's fault"
MasterCornholio
Member
Don't forget about the gamepass.
Thirty7ven
Banned
They seem to be losing install base to PC and PS5.
Starfield and co have to change this, because regardless of what the idiots say, MS losing install base to Steam and Sony doesn’t help Xbox hardware at all and in fact will hurt the console. We are already hearing about possible consequences like no mid Gen upgrade, and it could directly affect MS’s strategy for next gen hardware in terms of ambition.
Tsaki
Member
To add to your point, Xbox One has a sales boost coming with the release of One S and a year later with the One X.