After that comment about Resident Evil 5, I don't want him to. He'll probably go on a rant about how... ah fuck it. Here's hoping Capcom management will kick him out and puts Yoshinori Ono in charge. The ritual to ask people to show their dollar bills in order to get a title greenlit is probably the brainchild of Inafune.demosthenes said:
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Inafune: "I look around Tokyo Games Show, and everyones making awful games"
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Solid warrior
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well, that's the reality of the market.Vinci said:
Boombloxer
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You mean including Nintendo?
Because if you exclude them, the picture isn't that rosy.
Dr.Hadji said:
nope. The west has good platformers like ratchet and clank. I guess some say it's more of a shooter. But braid and limbo etc. are pretty good. Little Big Planet. No japanese there.
Who made world of good? Is that a puzzle game? Maybe more strategy. I don't think the japanese made that.
So yeah. I'm pretty much correct. Equal or better in everything EXCEPT fighting games.
-Pyromaniac-
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ohplzbrojmdajr said:
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
The hell is this?jmdajr said:
Boombloxer
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Vinci said:
It's not that so much as no other company is seeing that much money, which is Inafune's point. Excluding the Nintendo franchises, which only benefits them financially, the outlook sucks, which is why they are coming west.
Please point out one 3rd party dev in Japan that has something along the lines of Assassin's Creed/Uncharted sales-wise. FF, RE5 and MGS are the biggest, none of those are new IP.
That's the point, it's not meant as a slight to Nintendo. They've been wildly successful, but not everyone has shared in it. Hence "we're in trouble, where can we get sales?"
darkpaladinmfc
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Sh'mups?jmdajr said:
Fimbulvetr
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Boombloxer said:
How much did those two sell?
Eteric Rice
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I think part of the problem is the Japanese design stereotype. Every single game you see from them is made in the anime style.
They really need to move away from that and do like Demon's Souls did.
They really need to move away from that and do like Demon's Souls did.
ChoklitReign
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Action games are a broader genre than hack 'n' slash, which of course only Japanese developers make.canova said:
Boombloxer
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Fimbulvetr said:
AC 1 & 2 - 8 million each
U1/2 - 6.5 million combined (I think the split is 2.5 and 4 for the sequel).
Boombloxer
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MYE said:
Braid, Ratchet and Clank, Trine, LBP.
This is very debatable.
Wandering Leopard
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jmdajr said:
In terms of depth of combat and even though it's a good game it's not even close.
jmdajr said:
Comparing Little Big Planet and Braid (which is more of a puzzle-platformer, a genre the Japanese have perfected back in 1986 with Wrecking Crew) to the Mario games is pretty laughable. Little Big Planet I wanted to like but it was just soooo floaty as to be unfun. I prefer extremely tight controls in my platformers.
Japan also has the edge on RPGs, IMO. Because combat system is much more important for me than dialogue trees, and nobody does that, constantly innovating, like Japan.
Fimbulvetr
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jmdajr said:
"Some good games" and "surpassed the competition" aren't the same thing.
Fimbulvetr
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jmdajr said:
Okay then let me change my post.
"Some good games" and "equal or surpassed the competition" aren't the same thing.
There.
canova said:
I thought you hated Bayonetta? :I
InfiniteNine said:
I hear Oblivion is pretty good with mods.
No Western Studio has made a platformer that equals even Nintendo's worst efforts in that genre. The Japanese still have that genre on lockdown. The main problem is that no one outside of Nintendo really makes platformers anymore.
BTW, if you want to include Trine and Braid to prove your point, then know that it has to go up against Cave Story and La-Mulana as well. It's not even a contest there.
BTW, if you want to include Trine and Braid to prove your point, then know that it has to go up against Cave Story and La-Mulana as well. It's not even a contest there.
Fimbulvetr said:
I never hated Bayonetta, I just think it's not as good as NGB or DMC3 or it's not the greatest action game like what others claimed to be. But anyway that's a different topic.
Right now it's about Western devs vs Japanese devs, and NG, DMC, and Bayonetta all represent Japanese devs.
Boombloxer
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Solid_Rain said:
Still debatable with 3. You could easily say the same thing about any of those games' stories, which all pale to God of War.
To you. I've played all three, they each have their strengths and weaknesses, but to say it's laughable? Not really.
This is a genuine question--is there another Japanese platformer out there that is new and does something new? I'd want to play it.
ChoklitReign
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Metacritic says otherwise. The God of War series ranges from 91 to 94, Ninja Gaiden is in the 80s, and DMC (excluding 2) ranges from 78 to 94.canova said:
Boombloxer
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MYE said:
Honestly, I preferred Ratchet and Clank to SMG. Braid/LBP are both great platformers, if you haven't played some of the crazier levels, then say that.
Fimbulvetr
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Boombloxer said:
Just clarifying some things.
canova said:
Oh okay, that makes sense.
Boombloxer said:
But the west isn't doing remarkably well either. Hell, if you remove Nintendo from the picture, East or West, the industry is isn't in great shape.
That might be because Japan has been trying to follow the West's example the whole damn generation, and that's not necessarily what people want from the place. There used to be a distinct quality to Japanese games, but now, they simply feel like cheaper versions of Western ones because they don't have the budget that the big Western 3rd parties do.
Then why on earth would you look at companies that are selling less, spending more, and mostly hemorrhaging cash and have adopted a model in which a single failure can mean you're looking for work?
Why not look at Nintendo? That's the most frustrating part of this. Everyone removes Nintendo from the equation because, sadly, it might mean that they went in the wrong direction and they might have to make games with less tech and budget than they really want to.
EDIT: And no, I don't want everyone to make the exact same sort of games as Nintendo - but at least pay attention to the only company in the industry's history to always be profitable.
ChoklitReign
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It's just a basic measure. Everyone has opinions. I don't know why he thinks GoW is inferior to NG and DMC.jman2050 said:
Fimbulvetr
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ChoklitReign said:
The first God of War game (I.E. the one acknowledged as having the worst gameplay out of the 3 main games) is rated highest.
And getting into that even more, lots of reviewers stated that the stories of the second and third games are as good(some even say better) than the first game; even though that is the wrongest thing you can say in the history of wrong.
ChoklitReign
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What's your point? Should game reviews be banned because people's opinions change? I'm trying not to burst out laughing in class now because this thread has derailed into "which game series is the best in its genre."Fimbulvetr said:
Fimbulvetr
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ChoklitReign said:
Because:
ChoklitReign said: