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Insomniac Chief Creative Officer Brian Hastings speaks out on the PS3
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Eteric Rice
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Here's some truth.
If you don't get momentum early on, third parties will move on and forget you. It happened to the Gamecube, and it could happen to the PS3.
I don't care about Blu-Ray, HDDs, or STDs, if you don't get the momentum, you don't get the games. They can still turn this around, but it seems unlikely.
If you don't get momentum early on, third parties will move on and forget you. It happened to the Gamecube, and it could happen to the PS3.
I don't care about Blu-Ray, HDDs, or STDs, if you don't get the momentum, you don't get the games. They can still turn this around, but it seems unlikely.
HDMI a deciding factor? :lol
The cable doesn't come in the box which means 90% of consumers will never even know it exists. He has some decent points elsewhere although Imay disagree with his conclusions, but trying to argue that an A/V connection will be a deciding factor in the console wars is ludicrous.
The cable doesn't come in the box which means 90% of consumers will never even know it exists. He has some decent points elsewhere although Imay disagree with his conclusions, but trying to argue that an A/V connection will be a deciding factor in the console wars is ludicrous.
XiaNaphryz
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Eteric Rice
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justjohn said:
I didn't say it was over, I said it doesn't have momentum. Right now, it has bad press and a horrible price tag.
If they don't stop effing around, it will be over.
[Clark Gable]
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I didn't bother reading past the dvd part. This article is Chad Warden certified.
Beer Monkey
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theBishop said:
I said within a generation or two.
AgentOtaku
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well I concured with alot of his points
BenjaminBirdie
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mr_nothin said:
Which is fine, and, concurrently, it's fine to prefer PSN because it similarly costs less. No one is arguing that. But would you take anyone seriously who tried to tell you that, "Oh, no, if you want to buy that Saturn, it's going to cost you another $28,000"?
sonycowboy
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Eteric Rice said:
Genesis had no early momentum
Playstation had no early momentum
Xbox had no early momentum
DS had no early momentum
N64 had early momentum
PSP had early momentum
I guess you're theory is all shot to hell.
Beer Monkey
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Azih said:
You mispelled Jaffe. :lol
TheGuardian
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LuCkymoON said:
The problem is you have to keep them in RAM, be it video memory or not (both the 360 and the PS3 don't really have that distinction). By streaming you can unload textures you don't need for the current scene and load new ones, keeping only the relevant ones.
nelsonroyale
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people here are tripping if they dont think the wii love will fade...I mean Im one console person pretty muc, but I have infinitely more interest in 360 than I do in the wii...though mario galaxy looks crazy....I think when prices reduce the ps3 and 360 will easily hang with the wii
peace
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BenjaminBirdie said:
It's the old TCO argument. You can quibble with the figures but he's claiming that Live Gold is necessary to get the most out of the 360 experience and Gold does cost money over time.
As far as the Wii being a fad: "waggle" doesn't interest me at all but if publishers embrace the platform because of marketshare or development costs to the point where the type of games that Atlus USA is associated with publishing only become available on the Wii I'll pick one up eventually.
The point I agree with the most is the Blu-Ray capacity. If GTA4 had been a PS3 exclusive (and please, I'm not trying to stir up a debate), there's no question it would have had more potential.
It'll be awesome, because it's GTA4, but with increasing game sizes, you can't really get around sandbox games with DVD limitations. I mean, you can, as Crackdown showed.. **** I'm confused.
Some PS3 exclusives will show why Blu-Ray is a better gaming format simply because it has more space. I'm sure Sony will do their best to make at least a few games that are impossible on the 360 due to the storage limitation. However, if a developer could come on here, and shed some light on the subject...
It'll be awesome, because it's GTA4, but with increasing game sizes, you can't really get around sandbox games with DVD limitations. I mean, you can, as Crackdown showed.. **** I'm confused.
Some PS3 exclusives will show why Blu-Ray is a better gaming format simply because it has more space. I'm sure Sony will do their best to make at least a few games that are impossible on the 360 due to the storage limitation. However, if a developer could come on here, and shed some light on the subject...
Eteric Rice
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sonycowboy said:
Maybe, but there are factors that you're missing here.
Nintendo began losing it's support in the transition from SNES to N64. Final Fantasy VII was it's death blow.
I don't know why you brought up the Genesis.
And if I remember correctly, the DS had some early momentum, then went into a severe draught. Another big factor was the price difference between the PSP and DS.
BrodiemanTTR
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Azih said:
:lol
beermonkey@tehbias said:
:lol
Some good points, and some really poor ones.
1. Home & Little Big Planet. Innovative games, I agree.
2. Free Online. Talk to me when PS3 has online that is anywhere near as good as Xbox Live or playing on the PC.
3. 50 GB games - multiple points here.
"This means that you can have much higher resolution textures than you could normally fit in your 512 MB of RAM. It also means that youre going to chew up more disc space for each level."
Depends entirely on your game. Oblivion managed to have a set of textures that are reused through the entire game, and a game with 200+ hours of gameplay.
PCs are still only equipped with DVD drives, and until 90% of them have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drives, they're in the same boat as the 360. This means that anyone with even a remote interest in cross platform games will have to take the necessary measures to fit their games into 7 to 9 gigs of space. Poor use of compression, extraneous and unnecessary data, and over-use of full motion video cutscenes will be a problem. The cutscene problem will mostly effect Japanese developed games.
4. Casino Royale - whatever. The format war isn't over. I actually believe that Blu-Ray will become the winner, but it's not even close to over yet.
5. HDMI - the emphasis on HDMI is very overrated. Component is identical to HDMI unless you're getting signal loss along the cable between the video source and the television. If so, get better shielded component cables.
6. Standard HDD - I mostly agree. However, at the same time the 360 will be able to drop the price on the Core 360 far faster than the PS3 will. I wonder what's going to happen when the Core 360 hits at a price of $200 while the PS3 is still over $400? He's right about the hard drive taking extra work to write custom code for, but it's definitely not equivalent to "not having a hard drive at all".
7. The Wii Fad Will Fade - I agree.
8. PS3 Has a Major CPU Advantage. I agree, but only a handful of titles will use it.
9. PS2 still outselling 360. Rofl.
10. Something For Everyone. Call me when there are PS3 games that are "something for everyone". I have a feeling we're not going to be seeing a lot of kiddy games on a system that costs $600.
1. Home & Little Big Planet. Innovative games, I agree.
2. Free Online. Talk to me when PS3 has online that is anywhere near as good as Xbox Live or playing on the PC.
3. 50 GB games - multiple points here.
"This means that you can have much higher resolution textures than you could normally fit in your 512 MB of RAM. It also means that youre going to chew up more disc space for each level."
Depends entirely on your game. Oblivion managed to have a set of textures that are reused through the entire game, and a game with 200+ hours of gameplay.
PCs are still only equipped with DVD drives, and until 90% of them have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drives, they're in the same boat as the 360. This means that anyone with even a remote interest in cross platform games will have to take the necessary measures to fit their games into 7 to 9 gigs of space. Poor use of compression, extraneous and unnecessary data, and over-use of full motion video cutscenes will be a problem. The cutscene problem will mostly effect Japanese developed games.
4. Casino Royale - whatever. The format war isn't over. I actually believe that Blu-Ray will become the winner, but it's not even close to over yet.
5. HDMI - the emphasis on HDMI is very overrated. Component is identical to HDMI unless you're getting signal loss along the cable between the video source and the television. If so, get better shielded component cables.
6. Standard HDD - I mostly agree. However, at the same time the 360 will be able to drop the price on the Core 360 far faster than the PS3 will. I wonder what's going to happen when the Core 360 hits at a price of $200 while the PS3 is still over $400? He's right about the hard drive taking extra work to write custom code for, but it's definitely not equivalent to "not having a hard drive at all".
7. The Wii Fad Will Fade - I agree.
8. PS3 Has a Major CPU Advantage. I agree, but only a handful of titles will use it.
9. PS2 still outselling 360. Rofl.
10. Something For Everyone. Call me when there are PS3 games that are "something for everyone". I have a feeling we're not going to be seeing a lot of kiddy games on a system that costs $600.
speculawyer
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I have some sympathy for Insomniac since they put out a great game and its sales are hamstrung by a struggling console . . . but holy smokes, this is a shrill hostile fanboyish screed.
A little bitter? BTW, don' you think it is a little ironic to accuse others of bashing & being overly negative by bashing & being overly negative?
$70? . . . Oh really?
I've had enough . . . the PS3 has a lot of great points . . . but exaggerating & lying about the PS3 will be counter-productive, IMHO. Fight the negative press with good truth. Otherwise, you'll make matters worse, IMHO.
I think Sony should concentrate on the $499 SKU and say "For only $100 more than xbox, you get a full Blu-Ray player and free online play." That is a compelling value argument. They just need to catch-up a bit on games.
BTW, there is absolutely not reason for a ban of Kittowny.
I haven't see anyone say it is a bad thing . . . it just isn't as great & important as some seem to think.Brian Hastings said:
Brian Hastings said:
A little bitter? BTW, don' you think it is a little ironic to accuse others of bashing & being overly negative by bashing & being overly negative?
Brian Hastings said:
$70? . . . Oh really?
I've had enough . . . the PS3 has a lot of great points . . . but exaggerating & lying about the PS3 will be counter-productive, IMHO. Fight the negative press with good truth. Otherwise, you'll make matters worse, IMHO.
I think Sony should concentrate on the $499 SKU and say "For only $100 more than xbox, you get a full Blu-Ray player and free online play." That is a compelling value argument. They just need to catch-up a bit on games.
BTW, there is absolutely not reason for a ban of Kittowny.
[Clark Gable]
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What? Some times I don't get GAF. Was that sarcasm?Draft said:
plagiarize
Banned
jesus.
while i agree with points 3, 4, and 6, i don't think that even if these 10 reasons *were* all right that they will be the things that make the PS3 the market leader in 2010 should that come to pass.
first party titles do not make a console successful. picking an expensive CPU that is hard to program for has many blatant disadvantages over picking a cheaper, more understood less powerful one in that the second approach isn't a gamble.
how long will it take before that CPU advantage is apparent to gamers? no one knows... and by then it could all be too late. a GPU advantage would have been apparent DAY ONE just like the price advantage it brings.
HDMI is convenient, but isn't something consumers are calling for yet and i don't know if they will ever be calling for given how tied up with HDCP it is. ask blimblim about that one.
oh, and little big planet? awesome looking game but it's not sony's idea. they aren't making it. they're just publishing it. unless i can consider Epic a second party Microsoft studio that is.
but hey, whatever right? it's not like the guy accused people of spin right before talking about microsoft's 3.2 billion dollar viral marketing campaign. it's not like the guy exagerated all the criticisms in the press well beyond the level they actually were.
i wonder if the real headlines weren't negative enough to work for his 'sony the victim' angle.
while i agree with points 3, 4, and 6, i don't think that even if these 10 reasons *were* all right that they will be the things that make the PS3 the market leader in 2010 should that come to pass.
first party titles do not make a console successful. picking an expensive CPU that is hard to program for has many blatant disadvantages over picking a cheaper, more understood less powerful one in that the second approach isn't a gamble.
how long will it take before that CPU advantage is apparent to gamers? no one knows... and by then it could all be too late. a GPU advantage would have been apparent DAY ONE just like the price advantage it brings.
HDMI is convenient, but isn't something consumers are calling for yet and i don't know if they will ever be calling for given how tied up with HDCP it is. ask blimblim about that one.
oh, and little big planet? awesome looking game but it's not sony's idea. they aren't making it. they're just publishing it. unless i can consider Epic a second party Microsoft studio that is.
but hey, whatever right? it's not like the guy accused people of spin right before talking about microsoft's 3.2 billion dollar viral marketing campaign. it's not like the guy exagerated all the criticisms in the press well beyond the level they actually were.
i wonder if the real headlines weren't negative enough to work for his 'sony the victim' angle.
Escalation
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10+ pages comin' up.
InterMoniker
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AltogetherAndrews said:
I shall call you the De-bunker
Yeah I'm sure they'll lose EA ala Dreamcast style LOLOLOL. Come on Eteric Rice use some common senseEteric Rice said:
Yeah they probably do have to fit on the allotted video memory. I never said they didn't, PS3's Blu-Ray just allows A LOT more textures.LuCkymoON said:
Nice predictionEscalation said:
BrodiemanTTR said:
That is such a bullshit statement I agree. If people have a problem with anything, just come out and say what you have to say, don't beat around the bush because most people just see through shit like that.
"I'm the biggest Nintendo fan in the world...really, but let me vaguely describe to you why [insert product name here] is a piece of shit"
"Really, it's only because I want to see Nintendo on top again. I bash them because I care FOR them."
Beer Monkey
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theBishop said:
In the same way that UMD, while having amazing potential to deliver brialliant graphics and huge content for a handheld, becomes not so relevant within it's own generation when it becomes apparent that that's just not where the future is. Trends will become apparent in this generation that will not become fully realized until the next generation or so.
BD also goes along with the whole CPU thing in that superior hardware (typically evidenced through graphics) don't win generations in the past yet Mr. Hastings think that they now determine the winner.
All in all his little diatribe would carry more weight if it addressed factors like price competition and economic trends instead of being so biased towards system power.
BenjaminBirdie
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plagiarize said:
Oh, shit. I forgot about that part. Definitely the hallmark of an evenhanded discussion of this issue.
Yeah, I just finished reading the entire blog post.
While he does present a lot of reasons why the PS3 will succeed in the future, he does a great job of explaining exactly how the PS3 was built to compete for the long haul. It's quite a compelling argument when you see each of his points broken down.
I have to say I agree with most of his points. But then again, it's not like this is all new information. It's all been there in front of our faces, but I think it's just a matter of thinking about the long haul. The PS3 has all of it's bases covered, and I dont' think anyone can really argue against that.
Meanwhile the 360 is already about to undergo it's first hardware revision, and I think thats fine, but the unfortunate thing for Microsoft is that some of the 360 hardware choices are not fixable with a simple revision. You can't make the processors any more powerful, and you can't easily make every game use the harddrive, and you can't make your discs suddenly 50gb.
Then you've got the bluray movie abilities of the PS3. We all know about this, and the truth is that it seems Bluray has already won. No, it's not 100% definite at this point, but it sure seems like it could be by Christmas. If, and when that happens, the PS3 has a major leg up as it's suddenly housing the defacto movie format for the next 5-10 years.
So, in all honesty, if I were asked by a friend which game system should I buy if i'm considering the true "big picture", I would have to answer the PS3. I love my 360 just as much as the next guy, but i'm under no illusions that it's lifespan is gonna be anywhere near the PS3.
While he does present a lot of reasons why the PS3 will succeed in the future, he does a great job of explaining exactly how the PS3 was built to compete for the long haul. It's quite a compelling argument when you see each of his points broken down.
I have to say I agree with most of his points. But then again, it's not like this is all new information. It's all been there in front of our faces, but I think it's just a matter of thinking about the long haul. The PS3 has all of it's bases covered, and I dont' think anyone can really argue against that.
Meanwhile the 360 is already about to undergo it's first hardware revision, and I think thats fine, but the unfortunate thing for Microsoft is that some of the 360 hardware choices are not fixable with a simple revision. You can't make the processors any more powerful, and you can't easily make every game use the harddrive, and you can't make your discs suddenly 50gb.
Then you've got the bluray movie abilities of the PS3. We all know about this, and the truth is that it seems Bluray has already won. No, it's not 100% definite at this point, but it sure seems like it could be by Christmas. If, and when that happens, the PS3 has a major leg up as it's suddenly housing the defacto movie format for the next 5-10 years.
So, in all honesty, if I were asked by a friend which game system should I buy if i'm considering the true "big picture", I would have to answer the PS3. I love my 360 just as much as the next guy, but i'm under no illusions that it's lifespan is gonna be anywhere near the PS3.
TONX
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nelsonroyale said:
Thats exactly what happened with my roommate. he bought a Wii, we had people over and it was hysterically fun the first few nights of playing Wiisports. But the same time a week later, he didn't even touch it realizing there weren't really any games that interested him. By the time a month came without playing it, he sold it to EB to pre-order Mass Effect and Bioshock... and he has Mario tattoos up and down his arm.
The Faceless Master
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PS3 has more and better potential first party million sellers so you have to buy more PS3 games than you would if you owned a 360, making the ps3 more expensive...
uh...
wtf kinda logic is that?
i dunno, but when i thought up this post, it made sense i swear!
uh...
wtf kinda logic is that?
i dunno, but when i thought up this post, it made sense i swear!
AgentOtaku
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mr_nothin said:
Maybe just following playing habits but, I have a PS3, 360, and Wii. I also had a PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube
....I barely touched my Cube (in comparision to my Xbox and PS2) and haven't played my Wii at all for over a month now =(
I'm not saying Wii is a shallow fad....but alotta people out there (outside GAF-land), like normal cosumers, will by anything sometimes....just because....
Joe211 said:
That seems to be the case with you, as there's no real difference. It's all about mass market appeal, that's why the PS2 was that successful, that's why DS and Wii are so successful. The difference is how this appeal is achieved, but due to software and the high pricepoint the Wii currently has an advantage - and this won't change too soon.
plagiarize
Banned
he compared it to the gamecube, which never lost EA support, and you compared it to the dreamcast which never had it.InterMoniker said:I shall call you the De-bunker
Yeah I'm sure they'll lose EA ala Dreamcast style LOLOLOL. Come on Eteric Rice use some common sense
Yeah they probably do have to fit on the allotted video memory. I never said they didn't, PS3's Blu-Ray just allows A LOT more textures.
Nice prediction
he comes across as knowing what he's talking about. he didn't say it is happening to the PS3. he didn't even say it would happen to the PS3, he said it could and he said that's why it's important you have momentum early on.
which it is.