Why leave out when the N64 was announced if you are using the dualshock announcement as a goalpost?
Do you think that just because something ended up in a specific way, it was that same way during the entirety of it's life span? That's....that's how children think.
The N64 was a beast for it's first year until Sony started to actively fight back. Remember, NeoGAF is an enthusiast gaming forum, there are people here that actually know about videogames, when proven wrong don't try to move the goal posts and try to spin an explanation that obviously doesn't fit history. It's ok to accept an idea you've had for a while was wrong.
I know who made something first isn't necessarily the best argument, but I found this image that can serve as a starting point for discussing some of the innovations and where they originated:
"Who popularized/perfected it" is probably a better question, and we can use this as a springboard to discuss some of these.
First light guns came out in the 30s. Nintendo's own first light gun games predate the 1972 Odyssey...I know who made something first isn't necessarily the best argument, but I found this image that can serve as a starting point for discussing some of the innovations and where they originated:
"Who popularized/perfected it" is probably a better question, and we can use this as a springboard to discuss some of these.
That's why i said popularized it.
Do you think that just because something ended up in a specific way, it was that same way during the entirety of it's life span? That's....that's how children think.
The N64 was a beast for it's first year until Sony started to actively fight back and started sweeping. Remember, NeoGAF is an enthusiast gaming forum, there are people here that actually know about videogames, when proven wrong don't try to move the goal posts and try to spin an explanation that obviously doesn't fit history. It's ok to accept an idea you've had for a while was wrong.
This chart is the saltiest Nintendo hating bullshit I have ever seen in one place.I know who made something first isn't necessarily the best argument, but I found this image that can serve as a starting point for discussing some of the innovations and where they originated:
"Who popularized/perfected it" is probably a better question, and we can use this as a springboard to discuss some of these.
So the N64 analog appeared out of thin air? No prior production took place?
I really don't remember playing anything remotely like Mario 64 and it's controls before it came out.
Definitely true in a brand presence sense. But Nintendo still had influence on European development, even though they were not a sales force in consoles (primarily because they were still a small company in the 80s and their presence outside Japan/US was just through sub distributors).
I want to see the receipts.
That goes both ways. You don't think Nintendo made the N64 controller in reaction to this, right?
The N64 was announced and publicly revealed years (since 1994) before release (as the Ultra 64), due to multiple high profile delays (it finally came out in mid 1996). Both the Saturn analog controller and Sony's multiple attempts were direct responses to the N64.
The PS1 would not be released in Japan for a few more months when this image was released, and the PS1 would not come out in the US until a year later.
I didn't say one copied the other. Nobody really knows what happens behind the scenes. I only mentioned that it was a success for the N64 first. It was Nintendo who had this at a higher priority and pushed the technology, making it the standard controller instead of a "niche" peripheral.
If you honestly believe this you are fooling yourself on such an incredible level.
Most people didn't even know what analog controller means before Nintendo made it a thing. I understand that we "know better" and GAF is a game enthusiast site. But the word popularized means it made it mainstream. There is no doubt the N64 made the analog thumbstick popular. Again, not saying that Sony copied them but come on, they never really started hyping their analog controllers before Nintendo. Nintendo took the risk and hyped it as the standard controller, the future of 3D gaming, etc. For both Sega and Sony it was only a peripheral and that changed after Nintendo succeeded making it the standard.
In all honesty it was probably this
You can pay $60 for a game because we promise we're good for it and it'll be worth your time. Otherwise gaming would probably never really have gotten out of simple arcade games.
But I like to think their biggest contribution was Mario Bros. A game that was about twenty years ahead in cognitive level design. That or probably Wii Sports--games that are good for your health.
You mean like the materials? That the cart will just work?
This is true. The DS pre-dated the iphone by three years, and pre-dated iPhone games by four years. It also sold 150 million so was ahead of the iPhone in sales for most of the decade. iPhone games were a direct evolution of the touch screen minigames games in Mario 64 DS. It also had a browser, on screen touch keyboard etc. It's really the device that first popularised these ideas which are now in literally billions of devices.
Sure, that is true. Touch screen gaming in particular may have taken a smidge longer to become a hit on mobile without the DS, but that's a fair point.
We're talking features, not design. Sony's deisgn was swiped whole from the SNES anyway, but tacked on N64 features as they went along.
I think all of the hardware manufactures have brought some good things to the industry. As innovative as Nintendo has
So Nintendo introduced console controller rumble as hardware and an integrated game feature, which was then swiped by Sony, then Sony's next console continued to include the swiped feature, but because Sony's next console came out first they now get the credit for it because they were the first to include it at a console launch. Rich stuff.
