yea that's it. if this was a project that was very far away (like skyward sword level) then i doubt it would be listed at all. i'm really surprised that the game has reached a point in development where they consider it far enough along to be listed here.
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Iwata to become Nintendo of America CEO, NoA CEO promoted to NCL Managing Director
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yea that's it. if this was a project that was very far away (like skyward sword level) then i doubt it would be listed at all. i'm really surprised that the game has reached a point in development where they consider it far enough along to be listed here.
They are listing it because Aonuma mentioned that they are working on a Zelda title other than Wind Waker HD in the direct. He also said it would be quite a ways off.
Please do not become overly hyped for something that won't happen until next year at the latest and then get disappointed when it's not shown off at E3. And really, next year is highly unlikely. The next one is so far off they have to give us an HD port of a Zelda so people will buy the Wii U.
I think it's pretty self-evident myself. One could see even from E3 reactions - which were "good enough" at one point for Nintendo to base a system price around (see: 3DS) - that the "early adopter" crowd wasn't excited by NSMBU's existence.
And even if it isn't self-evident, that's why you conduct market research to find out how to launch a system and who those early adopters usually tend to be (and I'd fathom a guess the expanded audience/blue ocean of the Wii who made NSMBWii a success aren't included among those people).
"You don't know until you try" isn't really a rationale excuse for a business.
I seriously doubt it is being listed there because it is close to being released, but rather they are listing it there because it was announced.
An official announcement at e3 kinda like smash 4 would still be fucking awesome though.
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thepotatoman
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It always really annoys me when people act like Mario, Zelda and the other nintendo IPs will always sell tons of consoles. Were you not around for the N64 and Gamecube eras? Nintendo pushed out all their usual franchises for those systems too and it didn't work out so well in sales. Why in the world would it work out well this time? Wii may have proved that those titles can sell excellent if on a system with a large install base and not much competition, but that doesn't change the fact that those IPs have been historically proven to simply not sell systems.
The only ones that aren't like that are the Wii Fit U, Wii U Sports, and Wii U Party games, and I don't see how anyone could say that those titles will rejuvenate the Wii U, simply because its really hard to sell what those titles do differently from the Wii versions to warrant 300+ dollars to get. It's not like the gamepad or graphics benefit Wii Fit or Wii Sports in any way whatsoever.
Of course there is always a chance things will turn around, but everyone should be able to admit that those chances are extremely slim, and will take something as new, innovative, and desirable as Wii Sports once was, and that does not come around easily at all. It's ridiculous to see so many people not see this.
Aquamarine
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Apparently Nintendo's "number one" priority is the 3DS in overseas markets.
Angel Whispers
Member
This is the slow clap gif:
It means one is agreeing with you.
He's a combination of these two:
https://twitter.com/IwataAsks
https://twitter.com/IwataCEO
In that case, I take the bite-back response back
.May as well put the tweet.
@gibbogame
Nintendo to hit op target number one priority is improve 3ds in international markets using major software titles
https://twitter.com/gibbogame/status/327228941263847424
Yeah listening to Aonuma during the Nintendo Direct piqued my interest in the next title. I like Skyward Sword but the next title seems more like a revolution rather then an evolution.
Bodes well for the 3DS however, you know the other console Nintendo have on the market that is more likely to be profitable. The console some people still seem to think is a flop despite its sales *ahem*
Angel Whispers
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Please accept my apology. I've always understood 'slow claps' as something negative. I hadn't realised that wasn't the case until another member pointed it out. Thanks for reading my post, I appreciate it
.(I can see from the other responses, too, and yes, I do feel a bit of a donut... Haha).
i don't think it's close to being released either but it is obviously far enough along and with a proper budget allocated to be considered it on this list. i don't think all games get thrown up on here just because they're announced in development.
Investor Meeting Thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546640
I don't think it is because it is far along to be considered on the list either. It just seems to have what has been announced and doesn't have what hasn't been announced.
I don't think it is because it is far along to be considered on the list either. It just seems to have what has been announced and doesn't have what hasn't been announced.
Starphoenix
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Please accept my apology. I've always understood 'slow claps' as something negative. I hadn't realised that wasn't the case until another member pointed it out. Thanks for reading my post, I appreciate it
No problem.
i don't believe skyward sword was thrown up into these lists for a year or two after announcement which is why i was attempting to point it out as something that stands out.
Yeah I don't blame ya! It stuck out to me too. I guess its to pad out the list in order to make it seem more full, or the game is making crazy progress.
You always try when you release something, there's still a risk and even if you make surveys, market researches that just estimate appeal don't hide those risks. But I understand what you're saying.
And you talk about estimating 3DS hype from "early adopters", I think they learned it wasn't a good unit system nowadays. So, yes, after very successful titles, I don't see where they could see THE clue that NSMBU wasn't a system seller before they gathered the numbers.
This is the slow clap gif:
well... in the case of citizen kane, kane is applauding to spite the people who said his wife was a terrible singer. he does it because he can't admit he was wrong. it's not actual admiration of something or someone.
Ninja Scooter
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So it turns out it fits perfectly. What a twist.
Femmeworth
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Huh. What I take away from this is that NoA's missteps were largely the result of NCL's decisions, as speculated.
ragincajun77
Banned
Except that Nintendo isn't doing E3 this year:
http://ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/no-nintendo-press-conference-at-e3-2013
They are "doing" E3 just not the big catch all conference
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=55210536&postcount=309
It looks like a flop in comparison to ds, but that is kind of an unfair comparison.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Aquamarine
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Large change in corporate structure announced by Nintendo:
Looks like Iwata really wants to shake things up. It's interesting how this coincides with internal development structure shifts.
Nintendo said:
Looks like Iwata really wants to shake things up. It's interesting how this coincides with internal development structure shifts.
I've had some time to process this news and want to add my thoughts.
First, congrats to Mr. Iwata!! As this year has gotten underway I kind of suspected maybe something like this may happen. But, one of the big things I've learned here on Gaf is to make sure to substantiate my claims, soto just throw that baseless thought out there wouldn't have helped. I think he totally deserves this job, but it's more than that. NOA needs direct contact and interaction with him right now more than ever. I've always respected the man greatly and when I read about his beginnings with HAL and them working for Commodore I was in awe. I've never ever seen a businessman be as humble and gracious as he is. I certainly can't think of anyone else that would do an Ambassador program, price cut, and take a 50 percent cut in his salary all in the same year! All of us should at least strive for his humility and grace.
As for what this means for NOA? I think certainly he's pissed off at the performance and output there. Hopefully, he will take a hard look at each person there, keeping the ones who want to be there going above and beyond every day and getting rid if under performers who don't. I certainly think this is going to be good for localizations. More than likely worldwide launches instead of spread apart. I hope maybe he can get a simultaneous US/EU launch for Mario and Luigi 4 instead of a month between the two. Also, hopefully he can get this Wii U virtual console straightened out which I'm getting the feeling he's none too happy with as it is.
Overall, this will be great because it consolidates and streamlines everything between NOA and NCL. I agree it seems Reggie's days are probably numbered but that axing is probably best to wait a little longer with all the other shuffling around. That might be for the best, that man is looking worn out, tired and like he's gonna flip out any day now as it is. But, this move should make a very clear vision and direction for the company instead of 500 misunderstandings and misinterpretations. I wish him the best!
First, congrats to Mr. Iwata!! As this year has gotten underway I kind of suspected maybe something like this may happen. But, one of the big things I've learned here on Gaf is to make sure to substantiate my claims, soto just throw that baseless thought out there wouldn't have helped. I think he totally deserves this job, but it's more than that. NOA needs direct contact and interaction with him right now more than ever. I've always respected the man greatly and when I read about his beginnings with HAL and them working for Commodore I was in awe. I've never ever seen a businessman be as humble and gracious as he is. I certainly can't think of anyone else that would do an Ambassador program, price cut, and take a 50 percent cut in his salary all in the same year! All of us should at least strive for his humility and grace.
As for what this means for NOA? I think certainly he's pissed off at the performance and output there. Hopefully, he will take a hard look at each person there, keeping the ones who want to be there going above and beyond every day and getting rid if under performers who don't. I certainly think this is going to be good for localizations. More than likely worldwide launches instead of spread apart. I hope maybe he can get a simultaneous US/EU launch for Mario and Luigi 4 instead of a month between the two. Also, hopefully he can get this Wii U virtual console straightened out which I'm getting the feeling he's none too happy with as it is.
Overall, this will be great because it consolidates and streamlines everything between NOA and NCL. I agree it seems Reggie's days are probably numbered but that axing is probably best to wait a little longer with all the other shuffling around. That might be for the best, that man is looking worn out, tired and like he's gonna flip out any day now as it is. But, this move should make a very clear vision and direction for the company instead of 500 misunderstandings and misinterpretations. I wish him the best!
Some people seem to live in an alternate universe where the N64 and GC didn't happen and the Wii sold like crazy because of Zelda and Mario Galaxy.
Nevertheless, the point is that Nintendo released its last big guns on the Wii ages ago and still couldn't manage to get some of these ready for the WiiU's launch window.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Tempted to say this deserves its own thread.
I agree with the "3D" on the 3DS.. but there are some good examples of games where it's really well done and actually affects gameplay..
however, you are straight up 100% WRONG about the touch screen tablet of the Wii U... it's a core component of game design.. it works REALLY REALLY well... just because the adoption rate isn't that of the Wii isn't indicative of the gamepad not being the right choice.. it is the right choice.. the market climate is wildly different right now..
Cosmonaut X
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Although there are certainly people with legitimate criticism of how he has handled/is handling Nintendo's business, I don't think it's unfair to suggest that there are a lot of people here and elsewhere who view him as emblematic of everything that's "wrong" with modern Nintendo (see: complaints about hardware power, demographics, "casuals", "non-games" etc. etc. et-bloody-c.) and scent blood with the early underperformance of the 3DS and the current struggles of the Wii U.
I'll take the case!
Gonzo The Great
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NINTENDO IS ATTENDING E3. Technically E3 doesn't even start until after the press conferences are over.
Cosmonaut X
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CoffeeGames
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I take away the exact opposite. Had NoA done their job, Mr. Iwata wouldn't be becoming more involved in the region. At least, that's how I see it.
What decisions did NCL make, that made NoA take missteps?
I hear/see people blame NCL for all of Nintendo's problems, but I fail to see examples of NoA doing great things. What has NoA wanted to do, that NCL didn't allow them?
Ninja Scooter
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Releasing hardware with 2006 tech in 2013 for $350
Releasing it with an expensive tablet controller that doesn't have wide appeal with no compelling software to show it off
Calling it "Wii U", leading to market confusion.
Giving them a shitty product to market 2 times in row.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It's kind of grating when one extra word would stop Nintendo fans from throwing hissy fits.
The tech was made in 2011, based on 2009 and later tech, with power similar to 2006 console hardware.
Or "Releasing hardware with 2006 equivalent tech in 2013".
Otherwise it's not only inaccurate, but it spurs those with too strong of ties to Nintendo into stupidity. And then we have to get into the "next-gen" talk again.
Granted some would still argue the use of equivalent, but it's safe to ignore them.
shinra-bansho
Member
I think in Iwata's case it works both ways.
Yes, as you suggest, he is seen as responsible for the directions Nintendo has taken. But that's not really that unusual. Imperial Hot Wada was vilified for S-E's decisions, Bobby Kotick isn't exactly GAF's favorite person, nor was John Riccitiello. I don't think anyone necessarily dislikes Iwata in the same way as those individuals. He seems nice enough.
Conversely, the degree of empathy people have towards him is relatively unusual. Iwata has established something of a cult of personality around himself, with the advent of the Iwata Asks and Nintendo Directs. His image and Nintendo have become intrinsically connected; more-so than other senior executives from such companies. Criticism of his performance is seen as slight against Nintendo. And any suggestion of his potential departure, if he continues to see failing performance, is met with disbelief. Because who else could run Nintendo - Iwata is Nintendo; or at least a personification of the things people love about it.
fart town usa
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My thoughts too.
airmangataosenai
Member
Beside that!
CoffeeGames
Member
What would you have liked them release now? I own a PS3, and don't see the need/point of the PS4 right now. The graphical leap is minimal. The Wii U is slightly graphically superior to the PS3/360 (confirmed by games like Trine 2 and Need for Speed: Most Wanted), and we won't really see what the Wii U is capable of probably, until the first Metroid Prime/Super Mario Galaxy for the system (usually the first party games that look the best).
I think the GamePad can have wide appeal, but NOA has done a HORRID job with marketing it. They need to know their target audience, and if it's their typical market (families), the Wii U makes a lot of sense.
The name is an issue, but decent marketing could remedy much of that. Did you see the Japanese Wii U launch ad(s)?
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